Best of luck, old friends-

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The majority of my Lilly IT career was wonderful, and I'll always appreciate the company for providing me with employment during my 20-something years when- I'll admit it- I was working really hard but had no clue what I was doing. (If there is a personal hell awaiting me, it will certainly have me chained to a desk and writing code in a language that hasn't been used since the 70s)

That said- I gave 110% every day, I eventually DID move into a job at which I did well, I earned excellent ratings, and carved out what I thought was a secure place within the organization.
I thought- I'll just take care of my company, and it will take care of me.

The important thing is, it only took one leadership change for none of that to matter. I'll leave out the details, but when you get a new TL (who just hates your very face from the start) and that TL forms a tight bond with the Manager... well, a good record will buy you about 1 year.

If you are reading this, I'm guessing you're one of the many people spending this month with their fingers crossed on landing one of the few, coveted Lilly jobs.
I wish you all well, but I'll advise that you ask yourself one question- and you have to be honest with your answer- does your immediate supervisor consider you a friend? It's not the same as "do you get along"- it's about whether your personalities are compatible and whether the person just plain LIKES you.
If the answer is "No," please just assume the news won't be good and proceed as if you know that already, ok?

I promise the rest of my news will be good-

From what I hear, those who don't stay with Lilly directly will also have a shot at staying there with an external vendor.
The thing I don't understand is why that seems to be such a horrible fate.... it's actually the best of both worlds! Not to mention, with a vendor, you have opportunities far beyond the red walls of one company. Stop worrying about the Lilly jobs... focus on the vendor!
I understand that Lilly is a prestigious company, but security only exists for those on the business side and that's gonna be a tough nut to crack. (trust me, I tried several times)

I'll close out my own story with this: I came back to Lilly as a vendor for awhile, and it was the best time of my Lilly career. Very little changed with regards to daily operations... but it was 100% drama free! I bet most of you don't even remember what it's like to have a job in which you aren't running scared all the time, but trust me- it's wonderful. With a vendor, the plan is simple- you do well, they make money from your labor. You slack-off, and you get fired.
I'll take that situation any day.

To close- I have my fingers crossed for every one of you. For those of you whom it doesn't work out, just know that there are a lot of us out here waiting anxiously for the prison gates to open- ready to scoop you up ourselves.
Each one of you is more valuable than they've allowed you to believe in years.
 






amen

The majority of my Lilly IT career was wonderful, and I'll always appreciate the company for providing me with employment during my 20-something years when- I'll admit it- I was working really hard but had no clue what I was doing. (If there is a personal hell awaiting me, it will certainly have me chained to a desk and writing code in a language that hasn't been used since the 70s)

That said- I gave 110% every day, I eventually DID move into a job at which I did well, I earned excellent ratings, and carved out what I thought was a secure place within the organization.
I thought- I'll just take care of my company, and it will take care of me.

The important thing is, it only took one leadership change for none of that to matter. I'll leave out the details, but when you get a new TL (who just hates your very face from the start) and that TL forms a tight bond with the Manager... well, a good record will buy you about 1 year.

If you are reading this, I'm guessing you're one of the many people spending this month with their fingers crossed on landing one of the few, coveted Lilly jobs.
I wish you all well, but I'll advise that you ask yourself one question- and you have to be honest with your answer- does your immediate supervisor consider you a friend? It's not the same as "do you get along"- it's about whether your personalities are compatible and whether the person just plain LIKES you.
If the answer is "No," please just assume the news won't be good and proceed as if you know that already, ok?

I promise the rest of my news will be good-

From what I hear, those who don't stay with Lilly directly will also have a shot at staying there with an external vendor.
The thing I don't understand is why that seems to be such a horrible fate.... it's actually the best of both worlds! Not to mention, with a vendor, you have opportunities far beyond the red walls of one company. Stop worrying about the Lilly jobs... focus on the vendor!
I understand that Lilly is a prestigious company, but security only exists for those on the business side and that's gonna be a tough nut to crack. (trust me, I tried several times)

I'll close out my own story with this: I came back to Lilly as a vendor for awhile, and it was the best time of my Lilly career. Very little changed with regards to daily operations... but it was 100% drama free! I bet most of you don't even remember what it's like to have a job in which you aren't running scared all the time, but trust me- it's wonderful. With a vendor, the plan is simple- you do well, they make money from your labor. You slack-off, and you get fired.
I'll take that situation any day.

To close- I have my fingers crossed for every one of you. For those of you whom it doesn't work out, just know that there are a lot of us out here waiting anxiously for the prison gates to open- ready to scoop you up ourselves.
Each one of you is more valuable than they've allowed you to believe in years.
 






The majority of my Lilly IT career was wonderful, and I'll always appreciate the company for providing me with employment during my 20-something years when- I'll admit it- I was working really hard but had no clue what I was doing. (If there is a personal hell awaiting me, it will certainly have me chained to a desk and writing code in a language that hasn't been used since the 70s)

That said- I gave 110% every day, I eventually DID move into a job at which I did well, I earned excellent ratings, and carved out what I thought was a secure place within the organization.
I thought- I'll just take care of my company, and it will take care of me.

The important thing is, it only took one leadership change for none of that to matter. I'll leave out the details, but when you get a new TL (who just hates your very face from the start) and that TL forms a tight bond with the Manager... well, a good record will buy you about 1 year.

If you are reading this, I'm guessing you're one of the many people spending this month with their fingers crossed on landing one of the few, coveted Lilly jobs.
I wish you all well, but I'll advise that you ask yourself one question- and you have to be honest with your answer- does your immediate supervisor consider you a friend? It's not the same as "do you get along"- it's about whether your personalities are compatible and whether the person just plain LIKES you.
If the answer is "No," please just assume the news won't be good and proceed as if you know that already, ok?

I promise the rest of my news will be good-

From what I hear, those who don't stay with Lilly directly will also have a shot at staying there with an external vendor.
The thing I don't understand is why that seems to be such a horrible fate.... it's actually the best of both worlds! Not to mention, with a vendor, you have opportunities far beyond the red walls of one company. Stop worrying about the Lilly jobs... focus on the vendor!
I understand that Lilly is a prestigious company, but security only exists for those on the business side and that's gonna be a tough nut to crack. (trust me, I tried several times)

I'll close out my own story with this: I came back to Lilly as a vendor for awhile, and it was the best time of my Lilly career. Very little changed with regards to daily operations... but it was 100% drama free! I bet most of you don't even remember what it's like to have a job in which you aren't running scared all the time, but trust me- it's wonderful. With a vendor, the plan is simple- you do well, they make money from your labor. You slack-off, and you get fired.
I'll take that situation any day.

To close- I have my fingers crossed for every one of you. For those of you whom it doesn't work out, just know that there are a lot of us out here waiting anxiously for the prison gates to open- ready to scoop you up ourselves.
Each one of you is more valuable than they've allowed you to believe in years.

Sounds like typical sour grapes from someone who wasn't good an their job. Rather than putting the focus on your getting better, you decided to run with the "my boss doesn't like me" excuse for getting let go. Best of luck in your future endeavors--hopefully, you'll take a better lesson away from this job than what it appears you will right now. Get better and keep your next job. Play the vicitim and you'll lose it.
 






Sounds like typical sour grapes from someone who wasn't good an their job. Rather than putting the focus on your getting better, you decided to run with the "my boss doesn't like me" excuse for getting let go. Best of luck in your future endeavors--hopefully, you'll take a better lesson away from this job than what it appears you will right now. Get better and keep your next job. Play the vicitim and you'll lose it.

Go back to your HR cubicle.

Sure, 10,000 Hoosiers cut from employment because it's their own fault.
 
























No, I'm sure Lilly went with the "let's cut the people we don't like" option. It was just like picking your grade school kickball team, huh? That sounds beliveable.

It's more like fraternity and sorority rush. If you interview for more than one position in the same organization, the hiring manager may actually ask you to rank, or preference, the positions you interview for, just like preferencing your houses during rush.

And the directors and HR have their dream lists, for sure.
 






It's more like fraternity and sorority rush. If you interview for more than one position in the same organization, the hiring manager may actually ask you to rank, or preference, the positions you interview for, just like preferencing your houses during rush.

And the directors and HR have their dream lists, for sure.

Sounds like the standard response from those who got fired. Shift the blame to everyone else without taking responsibility for the way things turned out for you. Great job!
 












Go back to your HR cubicle.

That was funny, but I'm pretty sure the comment didn't come from HR. I'd be surprised to hear that any of the defensive comments on this board are coming from HR... I suspect most of them are just doing what they must to keep their own jobs- regardless of their personal opinion.
(at least that's what I was told by the rep who called and apologized to me after I gave up the fight and resigned- they hate it, but they have families to feed too)

Sounds like typical sour grapes from someone who wasn't good an their job. Rather than putting the focus on your getting better, you decided to run with the "my boss doesn't like me" excuse for getting let go. Best of luck in your future endeavors--hopefully, you'll take a better lesson away from this job than what it appears you will right now. Get better and keep your next job. Play the vicitim and you'll lose it.

I'm guessing you don't fall into my "old friends" category, that said- you weren't invited into this conversation now, were you?
Since your parents must not have taught you that it's rude to interrupt when others are talking, I'm hoping this will work like a dose of Ritalin in quelling additional outbursts:

*in my best Nursery School Teacher voice...*
There are a lot of people who are feeling sad and scared right now because they may not have a place to go to work anymore. These are very nice people, and I want them to feel better again, so I tried to offer some words of encouragement. I also told my story because it has a happy ending, and I hope of all of theirs do as well.
Now, grown-ups don't always agree on things, and (even if it feels better to be right) sometimes we need to say things in our "silent voice" so others aren't hurt by our words. Maybe next time, before we say something out loud, let's go ahead and think about how it will make people feel.... if someone is already sad and scared, it's not very nice to say something which might make them feel worse.
 






No, I'm sure Lilly went with the "let's cut the people we don't like" option. It was just like picking your grade school kickball team, huh? That sounds beliveable.

I can understand why one would say that. It certainly doesn't sound like the most professional approach to staffing decisions, and is probably less than believable to anyone who hasn't seen it first hand.

Oddly enough, although I'm assuming you've never worked for Lilly, your kickball analogy was actually a pretty good one.
It's not really a matter of "wanting to play with your friends" though- it's more a matter of "sticking close to your own wolf pack" because there's safety in numbers.
 






It's more like fraternity and sorority rush. If you interview for more than one position in the same organization, the hiring manager may actually ask you to rank, or preference, the positions you interview for, just like preferencing your houses during rush.

And the directors and HR have their dream lists, for sure.

Perfect analysis. Honestly.

Job posting is just like Rush.
 












That was funny, but I'm pretty sure the comment didn't come from HR. I'd be surprised to hear that any of the defensive comments on this board are coming from HR... I suspect most of them are just doing what they must to keep their own jobs- regardless of their personal opinion.
(at least that's what I was told by the rep who called and apologized to me after I gave up the fight and resigned- they hate it, but they have families to feed too)



I'm guessing you don't fall into my "old friends" category, that said- you weren't invited into this conversation now, were you?
Since your parents must not have taught you that it's rude to interrupt when others are talking, I'm hoping this will work like a dose of Ritalin in quelling additional outbursts:

*in my best Nursery School Teacher voice...*
There are a lot of people who are feeling sad and scared right now because they may not have a place to go to work anymore. These are very nice people, and I want them to feel better again, so I tried to offer some words of encouragement. I also told my story because it has a happy ending, and I hope of all of theirs do as well.
Now, grown-ups don't always agree on things, and (even if it feels better to be right) sometimes we need to say things in our "silent voice" so others aren't hurt by our words. Maybe next time, before we say something out loud, let's go ahead and think about how it will make people feel.... if someone is already sad and scared, it's not very nice to say something which might make them feel worse.

Oh my goodness!! I'm so sorry that words from an anonymous poster could be so hurtful! :( Next time when you post a message in an open, public forum, I'll assume that it's meant for a private audience and that you only want to see responses that agree with what you say. Or, here's a thought: perhaps you can send private letters to your "old friends" next time or just live with the fact that your posts face ridicule when delivered in this forum. I'm sure those "old friends" were hanging on your every word and needed desparately to hear from you so they could make it through another day.

Go back and read what you wrote--it's full of sour grapes, self-pity, and a lack of personal responsibility. I'm sorry if truthful comments hurt you so much. Grow up a little and maybe you'll do better in your next job.
 






Sounds like typical our grapes from someone who wasn't good an their job. Rather than putting the focus on your getting better, you decided to run with the "my boss doesn't like me" excuse for getting let go. Best of luck in your future endeavors--hopefully, you'll take a better lesson away from this job than what it appears you will right now. Get better and keep your next job. Play the vicitim and you'll lose it.

Sour grapes???? Well, I'm gladly on to another significant career at a company with integrity. At least I don't have to listen to GR state how he'd (and I quote), "I don't know how many times I would have liked to put a bullet through SP's head!" Any other place and you would have been fired, but GR was promoted and still remains! Watch your heads is all that I can say!!!
 






Sour grapes???? Well, I'm gladly on to another significant career at a company with integrity. At least I don't have to listen to GR state how he'd (and I quote), "I don't know how many times I would have liked to put a bullet through SP's head!" Any other place and you would have been fired, but GR was promoted and still remains! Watch your heads is all that I can say!!!

I too have moved onto a much better position elsewhere. It's heaven, except I am not dead.

It is amusing to visit cp once in a while to remember why I am so happy.

For example, the insider network at Lilly is completely overwhelming.

Dumb it down, and then dumb it down some more, that's the game.
 






Just heard an interesting story. A friend of a friend is suffering from a serious case of cancer and joined an intense group psycotherapy program to deal with her resulting depression and anxiety. She was astounded to find out that several of the members of her therapy group are current Lilly employees who are suffering badly and on verge of a mental breakdown from the ongoing threat that they will be amongst the next group of employees thrown under the bus by JCL's minions in HR. More evidence that Lilly has probably handled their ongoing downsizing efforts in a really ineffective (stupid?) way. After hearing this, I am more glad than ever to be gone from there (despite not yet having found a new job).
 






Oh my goodness!! I'm so sorry that words from an anonymous poster could be so hurtful! :( Next time when you post a message in an open, public forum, I'll assume that it's meant for a private audience and that you only want to see responses that agree with what you say. Or, here's a thought: perhaps you can send private letters to your "old friends" next time or just live with the fact that your posts face ridicule when delivered in this forum. I'm sure those "old friends" were hanging on your every word and needed desparately to hear from you so they could make it through another day.

Go back and read what you wrote--it's full of sour grapes, self-pity, and a lack of personal responsibility. I'm sorry if truthful comments hurt you so much. Grow up a little and maybe you'll do better in your next job.

What the heck? I am 72 years old and you are telling me to grow up? You are a moron. Wait until you have seen what I have seen, tried to do what I did, and then and only then, come back and post your silly ass comments. Now go away before I whip your ass in another post. You Loser.
 






No, I'm sure Lilly went with the "let's cut the people we don't like" option. It was just like picking your grade school kickball team, huh? That sounds believable.

Umm, that is pretty much the decision making process followed for deciding who to retain. In the previous cuts, almost everyone who was a really low performer was let go. The current group being retained includes the small percentage of exception performers (the players who run fast and kick the ball farthest), and then the remainder of the team is being selected based on who the captains like since there is so little variation on the basic skills.

BTW, there have been a number of studies showing that relative performance rankings between the extremes (the very good and the very bad) are pretty much in a random order; Lilly is trying to pick out the third and fourth best of a group when there is little difference in the real performance of people ranked third, fourth, fifth, and sixth in this group of seven. The managers are going to pick the people that they like for the open spots