• Thurs news: Lilly’s weight-loss drug prevents diabetes. Merck pays $588M for bispecific. Amgen speaks out about bone density issues with obesity drug. PTC gets gene therapy approval. JNJ’s 340B legal fight. See more on our front page

Being forced to room with someone at meetings is so degrading and dehumanizing

Quote
I disagree. I've always been bi-curious and Pfizer's policy has given me the opportunity to act on my fantasy with other women who usually share my curiosity. We're considering inviting one the young hunks in for a three-some.
 




Anonymous said:
I disagree. I've always been bi-curious and Pfizer's policy has given me the opportunity to act on my fantasy with other women who usually share my curiosity. We're considering inviting one the young hunks in for a three-some.
Click to expand...

Great! I'll be the short-hair white guy with brown hair at the bar drunk. That ought to give you at least 100 choices on any given meeting night.
 








when your roomie takes a shower, go through their wallet and copy all their personal info. down, credit cards, check book, etc. Wait a few months after the meeting before you complete the ID theft. They will never trace it back to you.
 




Four to a room will be like being back in summer camp, where we actually had eight. Now we can have big time fart lighting contests, just like the old camp days. We can short sheet our roomie's beds and put vaseline on the door handle and Ben Gay in his BVD's. Maybe someone will surprise us in the middle of the night with a pepperoni pizza like camp, then we can do some more fart lighting.

I can't wait!
 




Agree with #244. Better still, check the wallet for the girlfriend's picture, then get him to drop her name. Next day, go through his cell phone address book while he is in the shower and get her number. Do a reverse phone lookup, get her address, go over to her house and tell her that your roomie gave permission to ball her. She's probably tired of him anyway.
 




















Get a note from one of your doctor friends that says you have sleep apnea and need your own room for privacy/treatment purposes. I did it and it worked like a charm. I also said I was diabetic and needed a mini fridge for my insulin. Voila! It was masterful, I must admit. But I'm out of pharma...left for greener pastures and I get treated like an adult now. It never crosses their mind to make you sleep with a total stranger. Pharma sucks. You notice the dms never have to share rooms. Unfair.
 




Anonymous said:
Get a note from one of your doctor friends that says you have sleep apnea and need your own room for privacy/treatment purposes. I did it and it worked like a charm. I also said I was diabetic and needed a mini fridge for my insulin. Voila! It was masterful, I must admit. But I'm out of pharma...left for greener pastures and I get treated like an adult now. It never crosses their mind to make you sleep with a total stranger. Pharma sucks. You notice the dms never have to share rooms. Unfair.
Click to expand...

Equally well will serve a note stating that you suffer from violent, sequential, toxic nausea inducing farting on a regular basis. Cut a few for the doc. Single room here I come!
 




Anonymous said:
It's not about saving money. It's about control
Click to expand...

Up until maybe 10 years ago, we always had to share a room. Many times, we roomed with strangers at regional POAs and national meetings. And we ALWAYS teamed up with strangers at training, where you were guaranteed not to know your room mate.
You snivelling simpletons are the ones that ruined it for everyone. Because single rooms took away all accountability, there were many, many problems due to hook-ups (DM -rep, trainer-rep, rep-rep), attempted hook-ups, and even worse. I'm guessing that Pfizer had to go back to the way we operated from the beginning, just to eliminate the potential for devilment that came because people couldnt keep their pants zipped.
I rue the day that our former President and her fan-boy minions decided to add multiple divisions selling each major product. As many of of us that were around those days predicted, it led to the downfall of this company. Why? They had to hire so many people that they lowered the bar. It got so low that people that couldnt get a sniff (even if they were old enough to be interviewed) in 1989 were DMs after a "great" career of 4 years.
I was in HR for awhile, and I remember turning away lawyers, DVMs, chiropractors, jr-level i-bankers in training, experienced salespeople in their mid-30's, just because we had no openings at the time. 14 years later, I was appalled at the low level of "professionalism" of new reps and DMs that I saw come through HQ.
This blog proves my point.
 




Anonymous said:
Up until maybe 10 years ago, we always had to share a room. Many times, we roomed with strangers at regional POAs and national meetings. And we ALWAYS teamed up with strangers at training, where you were guaranteed not to know your room mate.
You snivelling simpletons are the ones that ruined it for everyone. Because single rooms took away all accountability, there were many, many problems due to hook-ups (DM -rep, trainer-rep, rep-rep), attempted hook-ups, and even worse. I'm guessing that Pfizer had to go back to the way we operated from the beginning, just to eliminate the potential for devilment that came because people couldnt keep their pants zipped.
I rue the day that our former President and her fan-boy minions decided to add multiple divisions selling each major product. As many of of us that were around those days predicted, it led to the downfall of this company. Why? They had to hire so many people that they lowered the bar. It got so low that people that couldnt get a sniff (even if they were old enough to be interviewed) in 1989 were DMs after a "great" career of 4 years.
I was in HR for awhile, and I remember turning away lawyers, DVMs, chiropractors, jr-level i-bankers in training, experienced salespeople in their mid-30's, just because we had no openings at the time. 14 years later, I was appalled at the low level of "professionalism" of new reps and DMs that I saw come through HQ.
This blog proves my point.
Click to expand...

I definitely believe you have an HR background, as you operate from the assumption that giving people single rooms leads to a caligula-like setting of moral depravity and extra marital debauchery. Not true at all. There's nothing wrong with letting people have some personal space at meetings and training. You're trying to use an analogy of misbehavior to try and justify making a policy that assumes everyone will partake in wrongdoing of some kind. As for the company and the industry getting way too big 10 years ago, that's what the market dictated and no one is to blame for taking the jobs that were made available in that business model, flawed as it was. I am equally appalled at the behavior and professionalism I've seen by reps and DM's over the years. I guarantee you that a company full of lawyers, bankers and chiropractors working as reps would have its share of bad apples too. I also believe that the company would function better as a whole if people were not forced to cohabitate at company functions
 




Loving this thread! At Arrowhead for some fucking training a few years ago, I got some newbie who walked around our room in his bikini/almost thong underoos every night. Then....a 4am fire alarm. Funniest fucking thing ever was watching him run around the golf course in his thong after the door got locked behind us. Then I started having "night terrors" and woke up screaming and trying to get out the door on a nightly basis. The look on his face the next mornings after he told me I was doing it......PRICELESS. I started bringing back steak knifes from dinner and putting them on my nightstand just to fuck with his head. Try it next time! Absolutely the best - except for teabagging, which I am not into.....
 








Anonymous said:
I definitely believe you have an HR background, as you operate from the assumption that giving people single rooms leads to a caligula-like setting of moral depravity and extra marital debauchery. Not true at all. There's nothing wrong with letting people have some personal space at meetings and training. You're trying to use an analogy of misbehavior to try and justify making a policy that assumes everyone will partake in wrongdoing of some kind. As for the company and the industry getting way too big 10 years ago, that's what the market dictated and no one is to blame for taking the jobs that were made available in that business model, flawed as it was. I am equally appalled at the behavior and professionalism I've seen by reps and DM's over the years. I guarantee you that a company full of lawyers, bankers and chiropractors working as reps would have its share of bad apples too. I also believe that the company would function better as a whole if people were not forced to cohabitate at company functions
Click to expand...
Respectfully disagree, using 20+ years of experience of "co-habitation", and about 10 years of single rooms as support for my opinion. If only you know what I know, and had seen what I've seen.... In the past, the majority of people that got "into trouble" shall we say, were RMs and DMs (90% were male) and the odd Institutional Rep with single rooms. Although we had our share of complaints and other problems back then, they literally sky rocketed once everyone had their own room in training and regional/national meetings.

STRONGLY disagree with your comment about the market needing a glut of reps a decade ago. Our President and her...um...well, another senior level person bought into the "more is more-better" concept, and did not foresee the dumbing down of the field force, the precipitous drop in accountability, and the even faster/deeper drop in customers' perception of our value.

When you hear old timers talk about the days when they could plop down in OR lounges, ER departments, or Dr's offices and have 15 minute conversations, they are not talking about the 60's, but they are describing a world that existed before this silly idea was forced upon us by senior management. Once the post-2002 reps figured out that it made no damn difference if they worked 11-3, 3 days a week because their counterparts would be right behind them, the world as we knew it ended.
 




The old timers didn't just hang out in the OR lounge. The surgeons let us scrub in to demonstrate cool new devices. One surgeon one time let me insert a new triple lumen angiocatheter as part of a procedure. It was dynomite. I suppose there are probably a few more restrictions these days on that sort of thing.
 




Anonymous said:
The old timers didn't just hang out in the OR lounge. The surgeons let us scrub in to demonstrate cool new devices. One surgeon one time let me insert a new triple lumen angiocatheter as part of a procedure. It was dynomite. I suppose there are probably a few more restrictions these days on that sort of thing.
Click to expand...
Uhm...ya think? See, you earned the right to be invited into the OR. Can you imagine Barbie Boop and Metrosexual Ken getting invited in to a HOSPITAL, much less scrubbing in ona procedure? And we wonder why the industry's credibility ratings are in the dumper. ..
 




This old timer supposes that the problem with metrosexual Ken scrubbing in on a procedure is that you're expected to do a complete scrub in about 10 minutes or less. It would take at least that long for Ken to get the goo out of his hair, so I don't think there's much room for him. As for Barbie Boop, she would be asked to double gown just to make sure that her cleavage doesn't fall into the operative incision.
 




Top Bottom
Back
Quote