A WEEK AFTER THANKSGIVING!!

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Give thanks if you are safe. You will potentially have conf calls on Monday after thanksgiving to go over changes in the sales force. You will find out during your stay home "calls" by the end of the week for your new assignment and potential new manager. Selling in the field the following week, conf calls with your new teams and home study for overlapping products to follow. This allows time for "displaced" reps to back fill open positions and have everyone trained on new products and in place by national meetings. By this time your year end rating will already be completed in the system by your previous manager for the "new" manager to sign off on.

Can be 30-40% reductions across the board in each OU. Hardest hit can be re, cvm and Gen meds managers.

There will be larger territories and portfolio selling. Criteria has already been set and determined. Last years ratings, geography, tenure and awards all have a role to play. Chronic care teams report to 1 portfolio manager. Neuro/psych combined and will overlap on products as well.

God bless us all!!
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I have heard similar rumors - but the number I heard is 1600 nationally minus 400-500 current vacancies. So who knows? 30-40% is more like 2000+. Only way to find out is to wait which sucks.

About time I got a real job anyways. Hope the package is good so I can rest up, land something good and make some extra money for a couple months.

The only problem I have is that my brain is so atrophied from this pointless, stupid game of a job. Execution, intelligence and effort have absolutely no correlation to results. So many fucking jackwads at 340% to plan. At least they don't put "vacant" in the President's Award rankings anymore.
 






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I have heard similar rumors - but the number I heard is 1600 nationally minus 400-500 current vacancies. So who knows? 30-40% is more like 2000+. Only way to find out is to wait which sucks.

About time I got a real job anyways. Hope the package is good so I can rest up, land something good and make some extra money for a couple months.

The only problem I have is that my brain is so atrophied from this pointless, stupid game of a job. Execution, intelligence and effort have absolutely no correlation to results. So many fucking jackwads at 340% to plan. At least they don't put "vacant" in the President's Award rankings anymore.
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The fact that you used the word atrophied shows me that your still in good shape you will find something else. But I agree time to find something else. I just wish I keep the job to figure that out. As the OP said next week we will find out that layoffs or a reorg is coming the week after thanksgiving. The announcement was already made to shareholders and we are set and ready to go. Let's see how this shakes down
 






Bump since this is accurate

Also, send CVs out aggressively now.
Once you are terminated, potential hiring managers will realize that you are part of the 1/3 let go-basically you are tainted goods since everyone in the industry relies heavily on past 1-2 yrs of performance (ratings) to determine who stays and who goes.
 






The announcement has been made publicly and we will hear very soon. Hope you all enjoy thanksgiving and start making plans for alternate arrangements in case you are affected. No one deserves this but these are the times we live in. Good luck everyone.
 






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The announcement has been made publicly and we will hear very soon. Hope you all enjoy thanksgiving and start making plans for alternate arrangements in case you are affected. No one deserves this but these are the times we live in. Good luck everyone.[/QUOTE

I would love to hear something definite.
Yes Joe J made his speech to inveators but has anything come out today more definite?
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No definite announcements have been made but alll we can do is read between the lines. It's what we have all be speculating before the presentation to shareholders were made. Nothing definite yet.
 
























As thanksgiving vastly approaches enjoy your holiday and time off and try not to stress with what may or may not come. But let's face it. We have all been hearing we will find out after thanksgiving so we will see. Some of the points made in this thread sound logical.
 






We will be asked to stay home for the phone calls after thanksgiving. Same way they have done it in the past. Most of the cuts will come from CV and REE. Managers will be affected much more this round than last. CV and REE will be combined and go from 5 reps to 3 per territory. Territories will get larger and managers will have 4 territories with 12-15 reps. It will be portfolio selling. You will carry CV and REE products. Nuero will officially be combined with psych. Some products will overlap and those managers will have two Full districts. Territories will get larger as well. Most cuts in that division will be in smaller pockets of the country. Not many layoffs for reps. Managers will be affected more. There will be more reps moved to different territories than layoffs. Expect 1 psych rep and 1 neuro rep in each area. You will have home study after thanksgiving then certifications at national meetings in December and Jan
 






Yes, the week of Dec 6 all the RD's go to Jersey to find out. Later the same week, the managers will find out and cascade down by phone. Similar to CCI. Business rules similar to CCI also. If you received a "1" in the last 3 years, you go first. The "3" in this years calibration will be protected and the final tie break will be average rating over 3 years. Most territories will go to 4 reps, all portfolio. Managers will have ~12 reps apiece. You will have 3 weeks to study new products at the end of each day around 2 or 3 pm leave the field. By the January National Sales Meeting, all test will have been taken and meet with new districts.

It's going to be awesome. We will either get severence or more job security.
 






Anonymous said:
Yes, the week of Dec 6 all the RD's go to Jersey to find out. Later the same week, the managers will find out and cascade down by phone. Similar to CCI. Business rules similar to CCI also. If you received a "1" in the last 3 years, you go first. The "3" in this years calibration will be protected and the final tie break will be average rating over 3 years. Most territories will go to 4 reps, all portfolio. Managers will have ~12 reps apiece. You will have 3 weeks to study new products at the end of each day around 2 or 3 pm leave the field. By the January National Sales Meeting, all test will have been taken and meet with new districts.

It's going to be awesome. We will either get severence or more job security.
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Hmm guess or a source? I would think it would be earlier for neuro/psych since they have their national meeting in mid December. It may be earlier than dec 6th for them or all of gen meds as well.
 












Anonymous said:
Yes, the week of Dec 6 all the RD's go to Jersey to find out. Later the same week, the managers will find out and cascade down by phone. Similar to CCI. Business rules similar to CCI also. If you received a "1" in the last 3 years, you go first. The "3" in this years calibration will be protected and the final tie break will be average rating over 3 years. Most territories will go to 4 reps, all portfolio. Managers will have ~12 reps apiece. You will have 3 weeks to study new products at the end of each day around 2 or 3 pm leave the field. By the January National Sales Meeting, all test will have been taken and meet with new districts.

It's going to be awesome. We will either get severence or more job security.
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Not sure if this is accurate. Calibrations have been done but there are some that are still not finalized.
The main discrepency is that if reps find out later in the week of the 6th that woud make it around the 10th.
There are many reps that will be taking off for the holidays sometime that next week. Not enough time to study and do all the necessary work or even fill vacant postions
Sounds a bit sketchy to me
 






Ok, what't the source of all this fairly specific information.....

If some of you are just speculating, tell us. If the information is hard, please honestly say that. Names not needed, all we want is something like - "I am a CV manager and a good friend of mine in East Hanover doing a rotation told me that he was privy to the following information......" Otherwise anything seen here is just speculation.
 






Anonymous said:
We will be asked to stay home for the phone calls after thanksgiving. Same way they have done it in the past. Most of the cuts will come from CV and REE. Managers will be affected much more this round than last. CV and REE will be combined and go from 5 reps to 3 per territory. Territories will get larger and managers will have 4 territories with 12-15 reps. It will be portfolio selling. You will carry CV and REE products. Nuero will officially be combined with psych. Some products will overlap and those managers will have two Full districts. Territories will get larger as well. Most cuts in that division will be in smaller pockets of the country. Not many layoffs for reps. Managers will be affected more. There will be more reps moved to different territories than layoffs. Expect 1 psych rep and 1 neuro rep in each area. You will have home study after thanksgiving then certifications at national meetings in December and Jan
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This was the exact post on another thread. HMMMMM
 


















Anonymous said:
Give thanks if you are safe. You will potentially have conf calls on Monday after thanksgiving to go over changes in the sales force. You will find out during your stay home "calls" by the end of the week for your new assignment and potential new manager. Selling in the field the following week, conf calls with your new teams and home study for overlapping products to follow. This allows time for "displaced" reps to back fill open positions and have everyone trained on new products and in place by national meetings. By this time your year end rating will already be completed in the system by your previous manager for the "new" manager to sign off on.

Can be 30-40% reductions across the board in each OU. Hardest hit can be re, cvm and Gen meds managers.

There will be larger territories and portfolio selling. Criteria has already been set and determined. Last years ratings, geography, tenure and awards all have a role to play. Chronic care teams report to 1 portfolio manager. Neuro/psych combined and will overlap on products as well.

God bless us all!!
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December 3rd we will find out. The week after thanksgiving. You will see
 






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