Zogenix report card

I'm sure it's difficult running around collecting signatures all day long. If I were starting a company, that would be the first thing I look for in a salesperson...how many sigs did you get per day? If you are a rep selling Sumavel, it's of little wonder why you're not hitting your numbers. Refrigerated? Bleeds more than needles? Moron.

Sumavel DosePro FAQ:

#5. Will there be any bleeding from SUMAVEL DosePro?
A small amount of bleeding may occur at the site. If it occurs, you can simply wipe it away.

#6. Does it cause any injection site reactions?
Some people may experience swelling, redness, bruising, or bleeding. Typically when any of these occur, it is minor and goes away quickly. No patients stopped taking SUMAVEL DosePro in the clinical studies for reasons related to these reactions.

#13. My SUMAVEL DosePro was left in my car and froze, can I still use it?
No, you should not use it if it has been frozen or exposed to temperatures higher than 59-86°F (15-30°C).
 












Interesting stuff. This thread is really not that negative. If you compare it to other boards, you see the same group of losers whining about not being able to sell a product. If your company gives you aspririn to sell, you sell it. They pay your porn bills so do what you're told or leave you dumb asses!

SDP is a dream product. You can sell 10 rxs a week and be a hero. Holy fuck! I could cut up my morning shit in to 10 pieces and sell that each week. If you can't sell 10 rxs of SDP, you are a fucking r*****.
 






Cool! I'll give you $300 a week for 2 scripts. Show me how to sell fuck face!! "I work in medical device so I'm better then you". So sick of this shit. Come play in my little box thanks to my stupid ass industries self regulation bs and you'll see what the heck I'm talking about.
 






Seriously, to those who keep insisting that they can sell 10 Rxs per week: How do you overcome objections from MDs who continously tell you that patients complain of the injection pain and DO NOT WANT IT? This isn't an incentive for them to prescribe it for more patients! I sell with integrity - I am not a "Spin Doctor". I am not going to put some "spin" on that kind of objection when it is something the MD is hearing constantly. This is why I have access to MDs that other Reps cannot see etc...My customers will see me because I have credibility, because I believe in having honest, candid discussions with my customers.
 






SDP isn't for everyone. It will hurt some people so that they won't want it. MOST other people are willing to deal with the 2-seconds of pain from the sumatriptan itself to get relief in 10-min. True, some docs have set their patients up for the pain - probably telling them it will hurt like hell, so the patients believes it hurts like hell. It is all about the attitude of the doc when they talk to the patient. If the doc believes SDP is that good, he'll make the patient aware of the pain but not dwell on it. You've got to educate (not spin) docs as to how hugely better subq suma is to any oral in the world. That is a fact.

And by the way...for those reps who say managed care means everything....you love having excuses for your failures, don't you? Do you take responsibility for anything in your life? I love Zogenix because we don't have time for losers like you. If you fail to sell, it is YOUR fault. Recognize Sales is not your thing. Big pharma - not sales, so maybe that is a better place for you to hide and get sigs. Good for you, but you don't belong here. From what I understand, Astellas is perfect for people like you - taking no accountability for their failures. I'll bet you would take credit for any successes though, right? Hope you can actually live with yourself.
 






























Obviously a Zogenix DM is on this thread. Answer me this shit stain: Why are most reps not making anywhere near plan? The payout of 10,000 per quarter is a pipe dream. And any experienced rep with common sense knows that managed care has EVERYTHING to do with success or failure in this business. Especially over the past 5 years. There are some quality reps over there simply getting duped by the lark dreams of upper management. Go ask RT or genius SC what happened at Intermune or Valiant. Once the big Z goes south they will all regroup at yet another start up and pull the same shit all over again. It's what people like this do....
 






Spoken like a typical pharma rep...So many people in this industry have no idea how to truly sell anything. How many signatures/calls did you get this week? Awesome, good job, because that's all you need to do to be successful in pharma? That mentality is exactly why so many pharma reps have the reputation of not being able to sell. I can only imagine how you position SDP when you go into offices, "Can I get a signature?" Success! One call, one signature, off to a great day. Try actualy getting into a true conversation with a doctor and not just asking for a freaking signature like a UPS driver. There are managed care issues everywhere but there are tons of successful reps on the Zogenix side who are getting offices to do prior auths because it's the fastest, most effective migraine therapy and they've convinced their offices of that fact. There are Astellas reps doing the same thing. You have to help the offices by being a resource, not just a moron asking for a signature. Cheesy? Maybe, but it seems to be working pretty well in a lot of cases. Figure it out and stop being a baby!

It must be very difficult typing when your head is stuck so very far up your ass.

My God someday someday, I beseech you from the depths of my soul, become a serious person. You are not going to live forever. Jeeeez...
 






Obviously a Zogenix DM is on this thread. Answer me this shit stain: Why are most reps not making anywhere near plan? The payout of 10,000 per quarter is a pipe dream. And any experienced rep with common sense knows that managed care has EVERYTHING to do with success or failure in this business. Especially over the past 5 years. There are some quality reps over there simply getting duped by the lark dreams of upper management. Go ask RT or genius SC what happened at Intermune or Valiant. Once the big Z goes south they will all regroup at yet another start up and pull the same shit all over again. It's what people like this do....

It's clear you know very little about Sumavel DosePro, Zogenix, the company culture and our senior management who, by the way are some of the finest in the industry which is why we had people leaving much higher salaries and even coming out of retirement so that they could be part of the vision our leadership has for this company.

You hostility further diminishes your credibility but just for any great people out there who might some day like to be part of Zogenix, I'm going to offer some facts:
1. Sumatriptan was available in the US in 1991, it's not a 30 year old molecule 2. The former version of subq sumatriptan with a needle has such a small marketshare because it was so difficult to use and many patients are needle phobic
3. Sumavel DosePro received the biotechnology industry's most innovative product award in 2010 due to the advancement / improvement that it represents for drug delivery
4. Zogenix is not an old boy's network, rather it is made up of people who shun that because they've lived it in other companies. True, many of us have worked together in other companies before and the recruiting for the sales force was done through everyone's networks but that was mainly to find people who were willing to start such a risky endeavor with an already established trust. There are many people at Zogenix that were not in that "circle". Also, before you craft your retort, it might interest you to know that Zogenix has more female directors and managers than most pharma companies the same size or larger. (oh yeah, and there are NO DM's at Zogenix...not one so if you're going to bash, at least get the titles correct).
5. Managed care is a part of the world we sell in but it's not THE REASON any sales rep is successful or unsuccessful as there are numerous examples in every company of someone with preferred formulary coverage that isn't succeeding and someone with many barriers who is.
6. The majority of reps at Zogenix have made their IC plan or close to it on most quarters, in fact, the company even paid people who didn't make plan for the first quarter @ 100% because they understood it would take time to get traction. Then there were lots of sales contests and a lot of people did so well in 2010 that they received a kicker at the end of 2010, some reps made over 6 figures in bonus alone.

7. If Zogenix does ever "go down" as you say, we will have known that we did more than we ever thought possible and helped hundreds of thousands or even millions or migraine patients and that is why we are here in the first place.

I'm sorry that your perception has been so negative, I can assure you that you are the minority but where ever your career takes you, I ask you to consider the following...happiness comes from within and if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

God bless.
 






It's clear you know very little about Sumavel DosePro, Zogenix, the company culture and our senior management who, by the way are some of the finest in the industry which is why we had people leaving much higher salaries and even coming out of retirement so that they could be part of the vision our leadership has for this company.

You hostility further diminishes your credibility but just for any great people out there who might some day like to be part of Zogenix, I'm going to offer some facts:
1. Sumatriptan was available in the US in 1991, it's not a 30 year old molecule 2. The former version of subq sumatriptan with a needle has such a small marketshare because it was so difficult to use and many patients are needle phobic
3. Sumavel DosePro received the biotechnology industry's most innovative product award in 2010 due to the advancement / improvement that it represents for drug delivery
4. Zogenix is not an old boy's network, rather it is made up of people who shun that because they've lived it in other companies. True, many of us have worked together in other companies before and the recruiting for the sales force was done through everyone's networks but that was mainly to find people who were willing to start such a risky endeavor with an already established trust. There are many people at Zogenix that were not in that "circle". Also, before you craft your retort, it might interest you to know that Zogenix has more female directors and managers than most pharma companies the same size or larger. (oh yeah, and there are NO DM's at Zogenix...not one so if you're going to bash, at least get the titles correct).
5. Managed care is a part of the world we sell in but it's not THE REASON any sales rep is successful or unsuccessful as there are numerous examples in every company of someone with preferred formulary coverage that isn't succeeding and someone with many barriers who is.
6. The majority of reps at Zogenix have made their IC plan or close to it on most quarters, in fact, the company even paid people who didn't make plan for the first quarter @ 100% because they understood it would take time to get traction. Then there were lots of sales contests and a lot of people did so well in 2010 that they received a kicker at the end of 2010, some reps made over 6 figures in bonus alone.

7. If Zogenix does ever "go down" as you say, we will have known that we did more than we ever thought possible and helped hundreds of thousands or even millions or migraine patients and that is why we are here in the first place.

I'm sorry that your perception has been so negative, I can assure you that you are the minority but where ever your career takes you, I ask you to consider the following...happiness comes from within and if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

God bless.

You are either completely insane or the biggest liar in all of astellas and that is awful scarey.

God help all of us from people like you.
 






Interviewing for a position w/Zogenix...after reading the posts on here, I am a bit confused.
Who owns the drug and why doesn't Zogenix have its on board? They are a small company...are they really that different as the manager claims they are. I actually have migraine and have tried Sumavel...it works, so what is the problem?
 






It's clear you know very little about Sumavel DosePro, Zogenix, the company culture and our senior management who, by the way are some of the finest in the industry which is why we had people leaving much higher salaries and even coming out of retirement so that they could be part of the vision our leadership has for this company.

You hostility further diminishes your credibility but just for any great people out there who might some day like to be part of Zogenix, I'm going to offer some facts:
1. Sumatriptan was available in the US in 1991, it's not a 30 year old molecule 2. The former version of subq sumatriptan with a needle has such a small marketshare because it was so difficult to use and many patients are needle phobic
3. Sumavel DosePro received the biotechnology industry's most innovative product award in 2010 due to the advancement / improvement that it represents for drug delivery
4. Zogenix is not an old boy's network, rather it is made up of people who shun that because they've lived it in other companies. True, many of us have worked together in other companies before and the recruiting for the sales force was done through everyone's networks but that was mainly to find people who were willing to start such a risky endeavor with an already established trust. There are many people at Zogenix that were not in that "circle". Also, before you craft your retort, it might interest you to know that Zogenix has more female directors and managers than most pharma companies the same size or larger. (oh yeah, and there are NO DM's at Zogenix...not one so if you're going to bash, at least get the titles correct).
5. Managed care is a part of the world we sell in but it's not THE REASON any sales rep is successful or unsuccessful as there are numerous examples in every company of someone with preferred formulary coverage that isn't succeeding and someone with many barriers who is.
6. The majority of reps at Zogenix have made their IC plan or close to it on most quarters, in fact, the company even paid people who didn't make plan for the first quarter @ 100% because they understood it would take time to get traction. Then there were lots of sales contests and a lot of people did so well in 2010 that they received a kicker at the end of 2010, some reps made over 6 figures in bonus alone.

7. If Zogenix does ever "go down" as you say, we will have known that we did more than we ever thought possible and helped hundreds of thousands or even millions or migraine patients and that is why we are here in the first place.

I'm sorry that your perception has been so negative, I can assure you that you are the minority but where ever your career takes you, I ask you to consider the following...happiness comes from within and if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

God bless.

The above is a perfect example of corporate spin. It's also known as "Unrealistic Optimism" in the hopes of staying positive when it's clearly evident that a situation has gone way wrong. It's a psychological tactic used by management in order to keep the peace and keep people working. Think for yourself, and evaluate situations based on real world application. Happiness stems from knowing who you are...not drinking corporate koolaid and using defense mechanisms in order to compensate for the honest reality of a situation. Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way of grasping reality; it is our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see. All the best
 






After seeing all the corporate spin and ass kissing in the press the general whoop whoop from Zogenix over it's knew wonder drug Zohydro I would like to throw my 2 cents into the mix.

Having been intimately involved with the manufacturing process in the UK of the DosePro device I would like to warn any potential investors to stay away from this blatantly corrupt company:-

Zogenix uses Patheon UK Ltd to manufacture the DosePro device, Lets look at some facts about Patheon in respect to it's UK operations:-

Patheon has announced that it will be closing the UK manufacturing site at Swindon, they will transfer any worthwhile products to their Italian plant in Italy and scrap the rest. Where does that leave Zogenix? Patheon are now laying off staff hand over fist!

Well, they will have a manufacturing agreement in place with Patheon which will buy them some time to sort out a new manufacturing site (or transfer to Italy). But would they want to continue with Patheon? The UK site at Patheon has been subject to severe criticism by the MHRA the UK equivalent to the FDA.

Patheon have continued problems manufacturing the DosePro device, but to be fare to them is not all down to Patheon. The capsule for the device is manufactured on a machine which is not only of poor design it is also over 10 years old, most of you will not have cars that old and everyone can appreciate that if you do have a car that old it starts to become un-reliable.

The capsule is inspected manually using a team of trained inspectors, these are un-supervised temps for the most part. There are now over 25 defect categories relating to the capsule, this is due to the manufacturing process damaging the capsule.

Instead of addressing the root cause of the damage it is Zogenix / Patheons ethos to inspect them out of the batch.

Many of the batches fail to meet the AQL limits and have to be re-inspected; when re-inspected a similar number of defects are identified - the process is out of control - Zogenix know this but allow it to continue as they just want their hands on the product.

Now Astellas have gone their separate why? Because they could not sell the DosePro device, why?

Well for one thing it is not all it's made out to be- a needle free injection system that actually hurts more than an injection leaving painful welts! The price - I would not personally pay in excess of $50 for a device which utilizes an old pharmaceutical product when I could just take a pill and have a lie down.

And now they are peddling Zohydro a heavy duty pain relief tablet apparently 50 times as potent as Vicodin. Without heavy investment there is no way Zogenix will ever be able to bring this to market, anyone with any sense will stay clear!
 






"...when I could just take a pill and have a lie down."

If only everyone had your work ethic! It is my fervent wish that you suffer chronic, debilitating migraines.
 






"...when I could just take a pill and have a lie down."

If only everyone had your work ethic! It is my fervent wish that you suffer chronic, debilitating migraines.

It is my FERVENT wish - that you be bitched slapped awake out of your naive, kool-aid drunkeness to see what a stooge you are and that within a year, Zogenix will be defunk / RH and his Glaxo croonies will be in the Caymans and will leave you with your skirt up and your panties soiled.