Zimmy update

Vagitarian said:
These are the words of Zimmerman's defense team, NOT MSNBC.


"We understand how George visiting the factory that produces the gun used to shoot Trayvon Martin is seen as inappropriate," Shawn Vincent, spokesman for Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara, told Reuters on Friday. "We certainly would not have advised him to go to the factory that made the gun that he used to shoot Trayvon Martin through the heart… We got the verdict that we believe is just, and the rest of George's life is up to George."
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Yet another bad decision by a person who is clearly unhinged.
 








Vagitarian said:
Along those lines here's a post from a long time friend who was a CSI and carried a weapon for years. He agrees that Zimmy was 'not guilty' as charged but points out that 'not guilty' isn't 'innocent'. I found his perspective interesting.

I spent over 20 years carrying a weapon on the streets, often many minutes away from backup as a county deputy. Two things you learn that will save your life are "verbal judo" (i.e. how to avoid physical confrontation until you have assistance), and weapon retention. Z. failed the first. This is exactly why he had no business carrying a weapon, and without which he would have certainly stood his ground and avoided physical interaction. It is nearly impossible to construct any reasonable scenario in which Z. could not have avoided killing M.

M. had no reason to obey Z. or answer any questions. Would you respond to a person out of uniform who confronted you while walking down the sidewalk asking questions or stalking you? Officer impersonation is a serious crime, and Z. is a classic profile of a police "wannabe." He is not guilty in the eyes of the law. Otherwise, I think it stinks.
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Z had no authority or reason: to follow M; to carry a weapon while on neighborhood watch; to confront M. Had he followed the rules of his organization, none of this would have happened. Only rash speculation would tell us how M would have led the rest of his life.
 








Vagitarian said:
Along those lines here's a post from a long time friend who was a CSI and carried a weapon for years. He agrees that Zimmy was 'not guilty' as charged but points out that 'not guilty' isn't 'innocent'. I found his perspective interesting.

I spent over 20 years carrying a weapon on the streets, often many minutes away from backup as a county deputy. Two things you learn that will save your life are "verbal judo" (i.e. how to avoid physical confrontation until you have assistance), and weapon retention. Z. failed the first. This is exactly why he had no business carrying a weapon, and without which he would have certainly stood his ground and avoided physical interaction. It is nearly impossible to construct any reasonable scenario in which Z. could not have avoided killing M.

M. had no reason to obey Z. or answer any questions. Would you respond to a person out of uniform who confronted you while walking down the sidewalk asking questions or stalking you? Officer impersonation is a serious crime, and Z. is a classic profile of a police "wannabe." He is not guilty in the eyes of the law. Otherwise, I think it stinks.
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What is this guy talking about? He doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

Because he failed at "verbal judo"(whatever the hell that is) he had no business carrying a weapon? He already was carring a weapon, LEGALLY, when he failed at his "verbal judo"(whatever the hell that is)This makes him have no business carrying a weapon?-was he supposed to throw away his gun when he failed?

And "without which" (his gun?) he would have certainly stood his ground and avoided physical interaction? How does this guy say he would have STILL stood his ground(without a gun) and by doing so, he would have avoided physical interaction.? How can this guy come up with that conclusion?

Impossible to construct a reasonable scenario? Again WTF is this guy talking about? There are limitless scenarios where Zimmerman could have avoided killing Martin-WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GUY TALKING ABOUT?

ANd Zimmerman was impersonating an officer? Where did this guy come up with that crap? Was it ever even brought up in court that Zimmerman was impersonating an officer?

I hope your CSI friend is a far away from guns and people as possible.
 
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Pale Horse said:
But yours was a lie to discredit Zimmy.

See BN, this is why sources are questioned.
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I don't know that it was a lie, it was a quote out of an article. It may have been out of context, it may be off, it may be true. How do you know it was a lie?
 




Phoebe said:
I wonder how much the Martin's were paid to show up at the "March" and other "appearances"........stating "he was all of our sons". You are kidding yourself if you do not think they were paid to show up at many of the protests.

That baby boy (toddler, not even 2 yrs old) that was shot while the mother watched (while being robbed) could have also been our son as well. Has anyone come out in disgust with that one? Or the many others, too many to list.
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I agree - every injustice and there have been many disgusting injustices - haven't made the press in the same depth as this one did. Even MLK's niece said, 'someone was paying these demonstrators', so no question, there were and continue to be ulterior motives. With that having been said, this thread is about the Z vs M case, specifically 'stand your ground'. Myself and several others here agree and accept the verdict of not guilty of 2nd degree murder. Myself and several others here also feel it was a death that could/should have been avoided. And there are those who feel the opposite. So now that we've all accepted the verdict and the discussion has narrowed to whether his death could have reasonably been avoided, I don't see what other cases (other than stand your ground cases) have to do with it. Seems like these discussions are derailers.
 




AnswerMan4Ever! said:
What is this guy talking about? He doesn't make a damn bit of sense.

Because he failed at "verbal judo"(whatever the hell that is) he had no business carrying a weapon? He already was carring a weapon, LEGALLY, when he failed at his "verbal judo"(whatever the hell that is)This makes him have no business carrying a weapon?-was he supposed to throw away his gun when he failed?

And "without which" (his gun?) he would have certainly stood his ground and avoided physical interaction? How does this guy say he would have STILL stood his ground(without a gun) and by doing so, he would have avoided physical interaction.? How can this guy come up with that conclusion?

Impossible to construct a reasonable scenario? Again WTF is this guy talking about? There are limitless scenarios where Zimmerman could have avoided killing Martin-WHAT THE HELL IS THIS GUY TALKING ABOUT?

ANd Zimmerman was impersonating an officer? Where did this guy come up with that crap? Was it ever even brought up in court that Zimmerman was impersonating an officer?

I hope your CSI friend is a far away from guns and people as possible.
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Here's your quote from post #556, true? or false?
"What Zimmerman did was wrong. He took that kid's life and it wasn't necessary. Carrying a weapon is for self defense, and Zimmerman caused his own need for self defense. The law was on his side and justice prevailed. But Zimmerman is a stupid MoFo and the parents lost their son due to this stupid MoFo."
http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/sho...&postcount=556

So it seems to me both you and the CSI guy think M's loss of life was unnecessary. I agree. So seems the three of us agree on something, right? Other than that, we have differing opinions. I can't speak for the ex-officer I quoted but I 'think' he was referring to the fact Z should have stayed in his car if he was acting as a Neighborhood Watch officer.

When you say Zimmerman caused his own need for self-defense, what do you mean by that?
 




Breakingnews said:
You are always complaining about the 'messenger' be it MSNBC or Huff Post or whatever. Is there any source of news that you approve of, other than FOX?

:rolleyes:
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Yes there is. See the website he quotes in his Forced Employment thread and note FT's comment.
 




Pale Horse said:
They are imaginary friends AM4E.
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Actually, he was a high school classmate and childhood neighbor that I ran into at my high school reunion last year. He's from Missouri and they were pretty mixed up in the Civil War so who knows? We have a class reunion thread on Facebook and the subject came up so I posted his thoughts which seemed to coincide (to a degree) with several others on the board INCLUDING AM4Es thoughs which I quoted previously.

Speaking of 'friends', how well do you know these people you quoted on your 'forced employment' thread? And what questions did you have for them before you quoted them in your post?
 








Pale Horse said:
But yours was a lie to discredit Zimmy.

See BN, this is why sources are questioned.
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Actually if you re-read the link I posted, you'll see on line 17 a link to that same Reuters article. So actually, we both posted the same quote.

As far as your description of your choice of websites? I didn't describe it the same way as you and another poster did (the 'g' word). I just saw it as untypically liberal of you.
 




Inside info: the dude that tried to sell the pic of Zimmy at the gun factory is not the guy in the picture, and the guy that tried to sell it got fired - and TMZ originally thought the pic was a fake and the word is that they didn't pay either.
 




Fucktard said:
Inside info: the dude that tried to sell the pic of Zimmy at the gun factory is not the guy in the picture, and the guy that tried to sell it got fired - and TMZ originally thought the pic was a fake and the word is that they didn't pay either.[/QUOTE

So now we're quoting TMZ, MSNBC and a gay magazine - all on the same thread? Next thing you know, Chelsea Handler will be reading our posts on her show...
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Vagitarian said:
Fucktard said:
Inside info: the dude that tried to sell the pic of Zimmy at the gun factory is not the guy in the picture, and the guy that tried to sell it got fired - and TMZ originally thought the pic was a fake and the word is that they didn't pay either.[/QUOTE

So now we're quoting TMZ, MSNBC and a gay magazine - all on the same thread? Next thing you know, Chelsea Handler will be reading our posts on her show...
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Not only is Chelsea a better source than Fox - She is one too!

http://www-deadline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/chelsea-handler-238x300.jpg
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I want to see the porn she made with the ex boyfriend. Have you heard the latest revelation, that her Grandpa was a Nazi, I believe at a Concentration Camp. She is eminently doable though.
 




Breakingnews said:
This behavior is sickening - He is clearly a disturbed individual and should just slink away and hide under a rock.

Karma is going to be a bitch for George Zimmerman - The sooner the better.
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Actually "karma" should be very kind to him. He is a good person who tries to help others. The record is clear and consistent, despite your refusal to acknowledge it.
 




Walking Eagle said:
Z had no authority or reason: to follow M; to carry a weapon while on neighborhood watch; to confront M. Had he followed the rules of his organization, none of this would have happened. Only rash speculation would tell us how M would have led the rest of his life.
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He had plenty of reason and he didn't need any authority. It's a public street.
Is there any evidence he confronted M?
The fact that he had to use his gun to save him from potentially severe injury or even death proves the wisdom of his decision to carry.
 




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