Zimmy update

  • ~T~   Jul 17, 2013 at 02:10: PM
Vagitarian said:
These 'professorial attorneys' aren't here to find truth, they exist to find a little legal opening they can expand.
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True and the defense and prosecution attys participating in the actual trials are just the same as they focus on trial strategy. It's sad but it's all a game and winning comes down to jury selection...the assembly of a jury who will believe them and the angle they exploit.

I was wrong with my prediction. But in all truth, I didn't watch a minute of the trial. It's clear from reading the aftermath that the defense did a fantastic job of directing all their attention to the *confrontation* between GZ and TM....and the jury bought it hook, line and sinker. The jury believed GZ was telling the truth about TM throwing the first punch, etc. Maybe he was..maybe he wasn't. I personally think GZ is a total bullshitter. But the prosecution didn't have the evidence to contradict GZ's story. The defense didn't either but made a better case for the jury, obviously. The only other eye witness to the truth of the matter is dead. So, the real truth will never be known.

The 6 woman, gun advocating, mostly white, suburban half jury won this trial for the defense. I would have so hung this jury had I been in the box.
 




~T~ said:
True and the defense and prosecution attys participating in the actual trials are just the same as they focus on trial strategy. It's sad but it's all a game and winning comes down to jury selection...the assembly of a jury who will believe them and the angle they exploit.

I was wrong with my prediction. But in all truth, I didn't watch a minute of the trial. It's clear from reading the aftermath that the defense did a fantastic job of directing all their attention to the *confrontation* between GZ and TM....and the jury bought it hook, line and sinker. The jury believed GZ was telling the truth about TM throwing the first punch, etc. Maybe he was..maybe he wasn't. I personally think GZ is a total bullshitter. But the prosecution didn't have the evidence to contradict GZ's story. The defense didn't either but made a better case for the jury, obviously. The only other eye witness to the truth of the matter is dead. So, the real truth will never be known.

The 6 woman, gun advocating, mostly white, suburban half jury won this trial for the defense. I would have so hung this jury had I been in the box.
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And a jury found OJ innocent with 2 bodies, Drew Peterson guilty with no body and Scott Peterson guilty with a body that had no head. Also found Casey Anthony innocent. Does everybody here agree with all these verdicts? I doubt it. It's just salesmanship. Do we know for sure about any of them?

Next? Aaron Hernandez - it'll be a good one. He has money and the only witness is a thug. Plus they all got out of the car to urinate. Maybe Odin tried to pee on him and he was just standing his ground?
 




~T~ said:
True and the defense and prosecution attys participating in the actual trials are just the same as they focus on trial strategy. It's sad but it's all a game and winning comes down to jury selection...the assembly of a jury who will believe them and the angle they exploit.

I was wrong with my prediction. But in all truth, I didn't watch a minute of the trial. It's clear from reading the aftermath that the defense did a fantastic job of directing all their attention to the *confrontation* between GZ and TM....and the jury bought it hook, line and sinker. The jury believed GZ was telling the truth about TM throwing the first punch, etc. Maybe he was..maybe he wasn't. I personally think GZ is a total bullshitter. But the prosecution didn't have the evidence to contradict GZ's story. The defense didn't either but made a better case for the jury, obviously. The only other eye witness to the truth of the matter is dead. So, the real truth will never be known.

The 6 woman, gun advocating, mostly white, suburban half jury won this trial for the defense. I would have so hung this jury had I been in the box.
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You would have hung the jury? You said you didn't watch the trial. I guess you just "know". Is this the Amazing Kreskin I'm talking to?

This is the reason they go thru intense jury selection.
 




Both sides accepted the jury. Time to get over it and move forward says the King family and the Martin family. Why can't we do that?
 




Pale Horse said:
You would have hung the jury? You said you didn't watch the trial. I guess you just "know". Is this the Amazing Kreskin I'm talking to?

This is the reason they go thru intense jury selection.
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T is like all the people who are up in arms protesting. They don't care about the evidence, the testimony, the law, or the verdict. They just want someone to blame unfairness in life on, and have a chance to protest something. If these people are so outraged about the killing of black teens, they need to start having weekly parades in NYC, Chicago, Detroit...and change their slogans and signs to names of the hundreds of other black kids that get killed each year.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-cities-had-most-murders-185230093.html
 












Just a reminder, that the Major Hassan trial is starting. I doubt that it will get any play, other than on Fox. But, that was just "Workplace Violence." No one was profiled by Major Hassan, "Soldier of Allah."
 




AnswerMan4Ever! said:
Both sides accepted the jury???
Are you smoking crack now vag?
Maybe a little angel dust mixed in?

Here's how much the Trayvon Martin side accepted the verdict:

http://www.google.com/#tbm=nws&scli...99,d.eWU&fp=614bae839671d25b&biw=1600&bih=737
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You sure know a lot about drugs. Any personal history?

I did not say both sides approved the verdict, I said both sides approved the jury. There was a jury selection process before the trial began. There were pre-emptory challenges, Finally, both sides came to the mutual decision this was an acceptable jury and proceeded with the trial based on that. Therefore they should both accept the verdict and the Martin team has. Maybe you should read more carefully. Back on ignore.
 
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libluvsbukkake said:
Just a reminder, that the Major Hassan trial is starting. I doubt that it will get any play, other than on Fox. But, that was just "Workplace Violence." No one was profiled by Major Hassan, "Soldier of Allah."
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They knew he was trouble but to report him would be a career ending move. I heard lawsuits are starting up on this deal.
 




Vagitarian said:
You sure know a lot about drugs. Any personal history?

I did not say both sides approved the verdict, I said both sides approved the jury. There was a jury selection process before the trial began. There were pre-emptory challenges, Finally, both sides came to the mutual decision this was an acceptable jury and proceeded with the trial based on that. Therefore they should both accept the verdict and the Martin team has. Maybe you should read more carefully. Back on ignore.
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Actually, Vag, if one side uses up all of their declines, then they have absolutely no say in the jury....but I don't know what the ratio was. I'm still baffled by only 6 jurors.
 




Drug Dumper said:
Actually, Vag, if one side uses up all of their declines, then they have absolutely no say in the jury....but I don't know what the ratio was. I'm still baffled by only 6 jurors.
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I wondered about a jury of 6 too. That's Florida law unless it's 1st degree murder.

As far as the prosecutors satisfaction with the jury (or not) I quote:

After the jury was selected, attorneys representing the Martin family released a statement saying with the makeup of the panel, "the question of whether every American can get equal justice regardless of who serves on their jury panel will be answered."

The statement, from the law firm of Parks and Crump, added, "We firmly believe that when these jurors see the overwhelming evidence that will be put before them in the coming weeks, they will find George Zimmerman guilty of murder on the night in question."

Both sides had the chance to keep or strike jurors. Each side had 10 peremptory strikes -- 10 opportunities to eliminate potential jurors without having to disclose their reasons -- and an unlimited number of strikes "for cause," for such reasons as bias or hardships.


After the verdict, you may have seen the statement from the prosecutors stating that although they were disappointed with the verdict, they accepted it. In every case, you have a side that gets the verdict they want and one that doesn't. When the 2 sides agree on a jury and it is seated, then they must agree to accept the verdict, unless of course they decide to appeal. Their televised statement after the verdict was, " We are disappointed with the verdict, this system isn't perfect but it is the best system there is. This is America and we must accept the verdict." In every case I've ever seen, the losing side is always 'disappointed' with the verdict. Disappointment and acceptance are 2 different things.
 








Vagitarian said:
I wondered about a jury of 6 too. That's Florida law unless it's 1st degree murder.

As far as the prosecutors satisfaction with the jury (or not) I quote:

After the jury was selected, attorneys representing the Martin family released a statement saying with the makeup of the panel, "the question of whether every American can get equal justice regardless of who serves on their jury panel will be answered."

The statement, from the law firm of Parks and Crump, added, "We firmly believe that when these jurors see the overwhelming evidence that will be put before them in the coming weeks, they will find George Zimmerman guilty of murder on the night in question."

Both sides had the chance to keep or strike jurors. Each side had 10 peremptory strikes -- 10 opportunities to eliminate potential jurors without having to disclose their reasons -- and an unlimited number of strikes "for cause," for such reasons as bias or hardships.


After the verdict, you may have seen the statement from the prosecutors stating that although they were disappointed with the verdict, they accepted it. In every case, you have a side that gets the verdict they want and one that doesn't. When the 2 sides agree on a jury and it is seated, then they must agree to accept the verdict, unless of course they decide to appeal. Their televised statement after the verdict was, " We are disappointed with the verdict, this system isn't perfect but it is the best system there is. This is America and we must accept the verdict." In every case I've ever seen, the losing side is always 'disappointed' with the verdict. Disappointment and acceptance are 2 different things.
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The OJ jury's collective IQ, didn't even break room temperature, but evil whites didn't riot, because they understood this exact point, that the Prosecution fucked up by agreeing to put them on the jury in the first place. Charles Barkley has made the most sense of any celerity that has spoken about this. Who would have thought that?
 




libluvsbukkake said:
The OJ jury's collective IQ, didn't even break room temperature, but evil whites didn't riot, because they understood this exact point, that the Prosecution fucked up by agreeing to put them on the jury in the first place. Charles Barkley has made the most sense of any celerity that has spoken about this. Who would have thought that?
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Barkley used to be a lot more C-word. He and aradiopersonalitythatcannotbenamed were buds but had a falling out I recall.
 
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I think it was more about sex than race. Women get off on assault charges more often than men and this one evened the score.
 












AnswerMan4Ever! said:
I doubt that he will ever receive enough money to cover the hell that he went, and will go through.
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True.

However......

Zimmy is also looking at suing Martin's parents. They received a big settlement from neighborhood watch. Martin was 17 when he beat up Zimmy so his parents are liable for his actions. I'd love to see him try and then sit back and watch the fireworks.
 




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