Worst job you have seen your downsized pharma. rep friend doing...

Interviewing is challenging. I like to interview the interviewer. It empowers myself, removing that demeaning air about the interview for me. After all, we're at work more than we're with our families. I need a good fit AND money.

Congrats on finding a new position. I moved into hospital management and earned an MHA through them while working. I too, kicked out over 40, plan to ride it out in the hospital setting. It's pretty cool, they need solution solvers and the years in pharma have allowed me to bring a lot of creativity to my position and make my own metrics I track and present. The resume builders plus current degree makes me feel more settled after the shellacking in pharma. I really loved that job when I started in the early 90's but by 2008 it was all downhill.


Oh, for me, there've been no worst jobs. I worked for myself for a year, finished up a few projects that are my passion, drew unemployment (termination rocks). Right at year 1, an opportunity opened with benefits in a hospital setting, I worked that for 4 yrs then promoted to another position. I say thank you Pharma almost every day for letting me go. The kool - aid was too sweet and I never could do it on my own. I left with high rankings and PClub standing, my fault..being over 40. There rational is too stupid for me to accept it was all smoke and mirrors. It's all a dog n pony show. Go get the carrot, make the company money, then get kicked out for making too much money qtr over qtr bc your benefits and package is outside the bell curve.

please have a plan B if you're in and continue to do your passion on the side. It will be the key to your sanity until your number turns 4-0.

Interviewing is and always will be a joke if you are going for jobs that everyone wants, which are usually the higher paying jobs.

Usually, these jobs are given to people as favors, so if you don't have a network into the interview, you are likely to not get hired.

The only hope for a great salesperson is to get with a small company that really needs good salespeople to move product. Its seems like the larger corporations like anyone can peddle their products and that their products sell themselves...

of course, this is BS.
 






To PP:


Not true. I broke through because I know how to sell ME.

Stay where you are and out of my way, you and your insecurities can stay where you are while I go out and get my cheese-and yours, as you continue to wallow.








That's why you're still in pharma and I'm NOT.
 












There is absolutely no excuse for that.......seriously. Your friend has had plenty of time to go back to school, or work at SOMETHING.

Yes, that is a bit excessive.

It should not take longer than 1 year to find something. It comes down to humility in a lot of cases, especially in the comfortable world of pharma. What these fools fail to understand is that you can make more money and have a better life outside of pharma...

but you have to sell for it...something that these pukes don't know how to do.
 












The worst job an old counterpart had after Pharma was bus driver. The guy was in his 50's and hit hard times after pharma. A few other jobs were UPS wharehouse, window and siding straight commission. I started my own independent Health Insurance Agency. Many people laughed at me and thought I was crazy. After a few years of eating Raman noodles and Mac and Cheese I am more than profitable. No corporate BS, I am my own boss.
 


















I did the humbling route. From a national account manager to stocking shelves in a big box store plus slinging cigarettes and lotto tickets in a convenience store. You can have it. I will live out of my car before I work for 8.00 dollars again. It was ok as means of pure survival and I get the point, but it has its limits like everything else.

No more. I will live out my car and pan handle.

Additionally, I learned the 8.00 an hour crowd is beyond flaky to work with. Spend some time around them and realize why they have been in the service sector for 30 years. FLAKY!

Flaky as in.......dumb. Example, a government dependent single mother who calls in sick weekly and spends half of her earnings on tattoos and Marlboros. Those will be your new found co-workers.
 






I do not begrudge anyone doing an honest day of work for an honest paycheck, especially anyone over 50 and anyone who has been unemployed for a period of more than six months.

It took me over eight months to find a job as a customer service agent in a cubicle farm for a health insurance company that is doing well with Obamacare. Yes, I am that voice telling you to hold while I have to practically type War and Peace to find your claim or membership status, but it offers benefits and the hours are regular with no call and little to no overtime unless I want it.

I report to a pimply teenager who thinks she is God's gift to the company and her boss is a shattering moron, but I can walk away at the end of the day with a much reduced paycheck, but a paycheck nonetheless.

My wife works for the same company, in a different department and in a different capacity and we're not making the old pharma money. That being said, I would not trade it for anything in the world because the job is easy and I don't have to put up with some idiot DM yelling at me about non-existent numbers in some fabricated report.
 






I do not begrudge anyone doing an honest day of work for an honest paycheck, especially anyone over 50 and anyone who has been unemployed for a period of more than six months.

It took me over eight months to find a job as a customer service agent in a cubicle farm for a health insurance company that is doing well with Obamacare. Yes, I am that voice telling you to hold while I have to practically type War and Peace to find your claim or membership status, but it offers benefits and the hours are regular with no call and little to no overtime unless I want it.

I report to a pimply teenager who thinks she is God's gift to the company and her boss is a shattering moron, but I can walk away at the end of the day with a much reduced paycheck, but a paycheck nonetheless.

My wife works for the same company, in a different department and in a different capacity and we're not making the old pharma money. That being said, I would not trade it for anything in the world because the job is easy and I don't have to put up with some idiot DM yelling at me about non-existent numbers in some fabricated report.
Congratulations! I did the same thing, but was only in the customer service stink hole for 10 months before being promoted out. Ran my own department and built it to 10 people -- then left to work with another company and learned all new things -- went to school and became QuickBooks certified. My income still isn't what it used to be, but I found out a very important thing about myself...I'm still capable of LEARNING.....and that is worth the price of admission to non-pharma income. and I LOVE straight hours and not bringing anything home after work.
 






Good for you all!

I'm in an admin position inside a hospital. Earned another Masters (Health Care) through them while working. I enjoy that I shut down my computer and don't have to revisit work, vmail, texts while trying to balance a life. Less money, but ya know what I spend less too. I've downsized a lot and still have extra to save every month. It all works out if you trust and believe that you are worth it.
 






Congratulations! I did the same thing, but was only in the customer service stink hole for 10 months before being promoted out. Ran my own department and built it to 10 people -- then left to work with another company and learned all new things -- went to school and became QuickBooks certified. My income still isn't what it used to be, but I found out a very important thing about myself...I'm still capable of LEARNING.....and that is worth the price of admission to non-pharma income. and I LOVE straight hours and not bringing anything home after work.

OP here.

Leaving work AT work is the best thing! We don't talk about the company, and instead spend our time enjoying each other's company for the first time in many years. We spend a lot of time in local attractions and parks, and don't spend much money on vacations because we live very close to some nice national parks, etc. Life changes, and we changed with it. It's a huge challenge unless you work at it every day to manage your own expectations and to learn something new about yourself and the new job.
 






I enjoy my home again. I don't fear pulling up in my driveway or out of my driveway, I don't peak out the windows, I don't dread my home office bc mound of work are waiting for me after working all day. I don't dread my wifi that dropped my secure connection while downloading nightly to HO. I don't dread waking up to 7AM team conference calls while having to fuss at my kids for doing what they do in the morning, get ready for school and sing and talk in the shower/b-room. I enjoy my family, my life and don't have to hide that in my home bc the ivory tower wants to bleed the life out of me.

I go to work, I leave work at work, unless I WANT to take it home with me.

My quality of life has significantly improved. I miss the perks, but the perks I miss are gone anyway..so, nah., I'm good.

Worst job? None. Pharma far outweighed any others as the worst. The quality of life was horrible. Colleagues were horrible, expectations and lack of support from corporate was horrible, job expectations ridiculous. Pharma most horrible by far. My early pharma years were great…after 2007, the industry sucked so bad.
 






I enjoy my home again. I don't fear pulling up in my driveway or out of my driveway, I don't peak out the windows, I don't dread my home office bc mound of work are waiting for me after working all day. I don't dread my wifi that dropped my secure connection while downloading nightly to HO. I don't dread waking up to 7AM team conference calls while having to fuss at my kids for doing what they do in the morning, get ready for school and sing and talk in the shower/b-room. I enjoy my family, my life and don't have to hide that in my home bc the ivory tower wants to bleed the life out of me.

I go to work, I leave work at work, unless I WANT to take it home with me.

My quality of life has significantly improved. I miss the perks, but the perks I miss are gone anyway..so, nah., I'm good.

Worst job? None. Pharma far outweighed any others as the worst. The quality of life was horrible. Colleagues were horrible, expectations and lack of support from corporate was horrible, job expectations ridiculous. Pharma most horrible by far. My early pharma years were great…after 2007, the industry sucked so bad.

100 percent agree.

When I started in 2000, it was an exciting career, it seemed. Prior to 2000, there were little, if any, restructuring or downsizings.
Reps were positive for the most part, but I still sensed something was wrong with it all.

And, as you stated, after the mid 2000s, everything really feel apart. The downsizings really broke a lot of people, and the backstabbing really became intense, as people would jockey to management as to why they are the ones moving market share versus others, etc.

Today, the industry continues to be a mess, and it won't get better.

Best bet is move on and find your own territory with a company that values its people.

One last thing, pharma, because the pay is good, thinks they have the right to belittle people. You will find this is true before and after the interview process.
 






Yeh, I can't even count the number of sales mtgs I sat in and was told by leadership that there are over a 100 people lined up around the block to take your position, so if you dont want to do what we tell you, we'll replace you.

Really motivating right there, I tell ya.


Keep it humble, network, acquire skills, go to school in an allied health field and have pharma pay for it then move on. 5 years should be your max in this field.

I did it 1997-2009. It was good up until 2007. After that my career was miserable and ended with a hostile competitor coming in and destroying my career, while I was in the ranking for Pclub and at the top 3 of the district.

In the end, nothing matters. Keep yourself motivation and positioned to land on your feet by all means.
 












Top 3 of district is not that big of a deal.....just sayin' == and I bet I know the company you are referring to....

Well, the point I was getting at was that I as a top rep on the team. Consistent performer, very aggressive with my sales ability (not common).

I would never go back to it. Can't stand the set up. The micromanagement. The doctors are annoying. The front office hates the industry.

Also, the pay isn't that great anymore vs. what you have to put up with. My opportunity now pays very well, and I am on paper, so I take time off as I see fit, as long as my numbers are good.

And, that is how sales should be. Work your territory. Bring in the numbers. It might take a few years to get things going and long hours, but once you have it moving and you are making money and making them money, you should be able to set your own schedule.

Contrast that to pharma/medical device, they want you to keep building and have the job run your life, only to let you go after you worked the territory and did a good job.

bottom line: pharma. sales is a terrible job. medical device as well.
 






Tangible products are the only way to sell. When YOU see who is buying what, and YOU know it's the truth, the job basically runs itself. Pharma is nothing like that.
 






Tangible products are the only way to sell. When YOU see who is buying what, and YOU know it's the truth, the job basically runs itself. Pharma is nothing like that.

great reminder, thanks. And we know the higher ups rob the shit out of us in bonus.

very messy industry.

I am at the point where I have little to no respect for those that are in middle age and working in the pharmaceutical industry.

I can give the younger generation a break, because they are naïve to the game of LIFE. I get it. The money is decent. Car and gas. Easy job.

As a person matures in life, they should see the scam.

Most, however, love money too much a suppress the truth!