What are you heathens

Walking Eagle said:
What happens to one's physical body upon or after death has nothing to do with what happens to their soul/spirit.
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Exactly. This is why I personally don't believe the 'feet to the eternal fire' concept. I think this was what a person thousands of years ago would understand and be motivated by, however, at this point, that seems a folk tale. I won't engage in the argument of afterlife, soul or spirit, however we do know, scientifically, that matter isn't created or destroyed , it's converted so in that sense, every molecule in our body is here forever. Whether those molecules are interconnected to anything after death is something you 'believe' or you 'don't'. We've beat this to death here before, these are philosophical discussions.

I don't believe the biblical rendition of afterlife but I understand that the bible was the basis of some good codes to live by in the time it was followed. Some of them are still good. Man's continually varying interpretations are what screws up the bible.
 






Vagitarian said:
Exactly. This is why I personally don't believe the 'feet to the eternal fire' concept. I think this was what a person thousands of years ago would understand and be motivated by, however, at this point, that seems a folk tale. I won't engage in the argument of afterlife, soul or spirit, however we do know, scientifically, that matter isn't created or destroyed , it's converted so in that sense, every molecule in our body is here forever. Whether those molecules are interconnected to anything after death is something you 'believe' or you 'don't'. We've beat this to death here before, these are philosophical discussions.

I don't believe the biblical rendition of afterlife but I understand that the bible was the basis of some good codes to live by in the time it was followed. Some of them are still good. Man's continually varying interpretations are what screws up the bible.
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What messes up the Bible is people like yourself who won't abide by its plain and extremely wise teachings.
 






Walking Eagle said:
What happens to one's physical body upon or after death has nothing to do with what happens to their soul/spirit.
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When you die, you body can be cremated, buried to rot in the grave, dumped in the ocean. You and also be blown to smithereens, eaten by sharks, crabs, etc, scattered part by part by a maniac or wild animals. Doesn't matter. It is the soul that goes to Heaven. It may indeed be put into some sort of new body, but that does not depend on what was left behind on earth. I cannot speak on Judgement day. The book says we will rise to meet Jesus in the sky. My belief, right or wrong, is that it will be our spirits.

"My point is that if you think that by having your body cremated that will put one over on God and save you from Hellfire, you are sadly mistaken."

I am not the one who made this statement. I only chimed in to state my opinion based on my learning of the Bible. I will be cremated when my time comes. I used to debate this with one of my aunts. She was very upset that my Dad was cremated. I asked her: "What about those who died at sea during WWII? Do you think God is incapable of finding all the bits and pieces if her needs them? How about the men who were incinerated at Pearl Harbor? Isn't God who created all that we know capable of scraping up the ashes and fragements if he wants them? What about those lost and devoured by animals?" Her answer was always the same: "That's different!" She would never attempt to explain to me WHY it was different because she couldn't.
 












Walking Eagle said:
When you die, you body can be cremated, buried to rot in the grave, dumped in the ocean. You and also be blown to smithereens, eaten by sharks, crabs, etc, scattered part by part by a maniac or wild animals. Doesn't matter. It is the soul that goes to Heaven. It may indeed be put into some sort of new body, but that does not depend on what was left behind on earth. I cannot speak on Judgement day. The book says we will rise to meet Jesus in the sky. My belief, right or wrong, is that it will be our spirits.

"My point is that if you think that by having your body cremated that will put one over on God and save you from Hellfire, you are sadly mistaken."

I am not the one who made this statement. I only chimed in to state my opinion based on my learning of the Bible. I will be cremated when my time comes. I used to debate this with one of my aunts. She was very upset that my Dad was cremated. I asked her: "What about those who died at sea during WWII? Do you think God is incapable of finding all the bits and pieces if her needs them? How about the men who were incinerated at Pearl Harbor? Isn't God who created all that we know capable of scraping up the ashes and fragements if he wants them? What about those lost and devoured by animals?" Her answer was always the same: "That's different!" She would never attempt to explain to me WHY it was different because she couldn't.
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My belief is that you are right. The body is an earthly vessel. We won't need it in heaven. It's like relatives. You will know your momma in heaven but she ain't your momma. That's earthly. We will all be brothers and sisters in Christ.

Maybe DD can make me that cobbler dish when we are there as I had her recipe this weekend and it was very good. My wife was pissed that I had another woman's recipe but even she liked it in the end. Then again, eating may be earthly. I hope not though.
 






Walking Eagle said:
When you die, you body can be cremated, buried to rot in the grave, dumped in the ocean. You and also be blown to smithereens, eaten by sharks, crabs, etc, scattered part by part by a maniac or wild animals. Doesn't matter. It is the soul that goes to Heaven. It may indeed be put into some sort of new body, but that does not depend on what was left behind on earth. I cannot speak on Judgement day. The book says we will rise to meet Jesus in the sky. My belief, right or wrong, is that it will be our spirits.

"My point is that if you think that by having your body cremated that will put one over on God and save you from Hellfire, you are sadly mistaken."

I am not the one who made this statement. I only chimed in to state my opinion based on my learning of the Bible. I will be cremated when my time comes. I used to debate this with one of my aunts. She was very upset that my Dad was cremated. I asked her: "What about those who died at sea during WWII? Do you think God is incapable of finding all the bits and pieces if her needs them? How about the men who were incinerated at Pearl Harbor? Isn't God who created all that we know capable of scraping up the ashes and fragements if he wants them? What about those lost and devoured by animals?" Her answer was always the same: "That's different!" She would never attempt to explain to me WHY it was different because she couldn't.
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I'm with you. I was actually speaking in jest when I commented on cremation to avoid the foot fire. And while I don't believe in the afterlife described by fundamentalists, if we were to rise, then I think it would amount to something more along spiritual lines - which makes it 'allegorically speaking' vs 'literally speaking' AND since spirits don't have feets, no foot fire.
 






Ran across these thoughts from last year's lent. Other than the obvious bannings, has anything changed?
 






No. I find it amusing that the strict "laws" of the Catholic Church like banning cremation, fasting on holy days, suicidal deaths not being able to get a Catholic funeral, etc., have all but gone away.

Seems hypocritical to allow some things to slide, but being staunch on other views.
 












AnswerMan4Ever! said:
Here from Shwetika Baijal:

My college roommate gave up Facebook. A bro-type friend gave up beer. Another friend decided to start going to the gym three times a week instead of giving something up. It's that time of year again when Catholics and Christians start talking hopefully but solemnly about what they're going to give up and here's why it matters.
It is now time for Lent, the six weeks leading up to Easter Sunday, a period of observance and reflection for many Christian denominations, and this year it goes from Ash Wednesday, (Feb. 13) to March 30. Meant to be a period of mourning and reflection on the nature of Jesus Christ's sacrifice, believers prepare themselves for Easter by paring their lives down through fasting, giving up luxuries, penance, and giving alms. Even some churches forgo their ceremonial decorations and paraphernalia in place of a more austere environment.
This period is supposed to commemorate the 40 days Jesus Christ is said to have fasted in the desert. Some people also use this time to reflect on what it means to give up something from one's life in relation to Christ's ultimate sacrifice of his own life for man.
Customarily similar to the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, Lent is interpreted differently by different segments of the Christian faith but all focus on three main areas of renewed faith: prayer, fasting, and giving alms.
The Tuesday before the start of Lent on Ash Wednesday has been come to be known as Fat Tuesday, since it is the final indulgence in the vices and luxuries one is planning to give up. Some of the most lavish and famous pre-Lent feasts on Fat Tuesdays are held in Rio de Janeiro and New Orleans where it is also celebrated as Mardi Gras, French for Fat Tuesday.
Sundays are allowed as breaks between the fasting periods, and the fourth Lenten Sunday, or Mothering Sunday, is the basis of Mother's Day celebrations in the United Kingdom. The final Sunday before Easter is known as Palm Sunday, which marks the start of the Holy Week.
The Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday of Holy Week commemorate some of the final episodes in Jesus Christ's life. Spy Wednesday encourages us to take pause and acknowledge the day Judas spied on Christ before betraying him, Maundy Thursday (or Holy Thursday) remembers Christ's Last Supper with his disciples, and Good Friday mourns Christ's crucifixion and death. Easter Sunday celebrates the resurrection of Christ, and allows observers of Lent to feast and break their fasts.
Regardless of your religious bent, Lent can be a period of reflection and humility for all, but even if it isn't, be nicer to your friends who are observing it during this period.
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You forgot Mobile, Ala where Mardi Gras started in the US.....
 






Fucktard said:
No. I find it amusing that the strict "laws" of the Catholic Church like banning cremation, fasting on holy days, suicidal deaths not being able to get a Catholic funeral, etc., have all but gone away.

Seems hypocritical to allow some things to slide, but being staunch on other views.
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I don't know about now, but Catholics used to teach suicide sent you to Hell -- maybe because you had no opportunity to seek forgiveness for the sin of murder.....
 






Fucktard said:
No. I find it amusing that the strict "laws" of the Catholic Church like banning cremation, fasting on holy days, suicidal deaths not being able to get a Catholic funeral, etc., have all but gone away.

Seems hypocritical to allow some things to slide, but being staunch on other views.
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Other views..... like ABORTION?
I know mommy dearest will get me sent to time out, but you asked for it.
 
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Vagitarian said:
Ran across these thoughts from last year's lent. Other than the obvious bannings, has anything changed?
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I'm beginning to think that IT was referring to you?

Drug Dumper said:
There is one poser on here who probably has EVERYTHING archived on it's computer. It lives vicariously through those old threads and every now and then refers to one of them with quotes.
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Vagitarian said:
You mean like this guy? Who was the 1st to notice inactive threads were pulled and commented 'that's too bad'?
http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/showthread.php?t=553840

Or would it be this guy who was the 1st to notice the Darkened Playgroung was cleaned out?
http://www.cafepharma.com/boards/showthread.php?t=554062

Old saying: The smeller's the feller.
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I really don't understand your point since both of those links were me pointing out NEW things not digging up old posts. Oh the irony
 






AnswerMan4Ever! said:
I really don't understand your point since both of those links were me pointing out NEW things not digging up old posts. Oh the irony
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Are you this lame? My point OBVIOUSLY was - you only pointed out these NEW things because you were trying to dig up OLD posts and found you weren't able to.

So your troll session is done for the day with me but here's a tip: To find these 'old posts which really have some good stuff', try looking under where it says 'logout. Everything that hasn't been deleted by the mods is available there, no archiving needed.,
 






Vagitarian said:
Are you this lame? My point OBVIOUSLY was - you only pointed out these NEW things because you were trying to dig up OLD posts and found you weren't able to.

So your troll session is done for the day with me but here's a tip: To find these 'old posts which really have some good stuff', try looking under where it says 'logout. Everything that hasn't been deleted by the mods is available there, no archiving needed.,
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Sorry dude I'm not biting. You're just goin to have to learn to like playing with donkey boy and IT. This is your purgatory not mine.
 












Yes, I mean abortion, women serving as priests, priests being able to marry, gay marriage, etc.

It's ok now to kill yourself, or get cremated, or not fast on Good Friday, etc.

To me, that is hypocrisy. Do no Catholics think about this? Why are some of the forbidden things now allowed, yet others not allowed?

And yes, I realize that abortion and gay marriage are wide swings on the pendulum. However, I would think that allowing suicide funerals or getting cremated just as serious.

Hmmm....maybe it's just me. Maybe I am not a sheep.
 
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