Upcoming LAYOFFS TO BE MASSIVE !!!!

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Anonymous said:
there is a realistic possibility that the current onboard drug rep has about a 25% chance of ongoing employment within the next year. if you have overlay partners (I do) then prob 2 of the 3 of you will be gone soon. I am in the same boat. Just keeping it real and making plans.
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I hear you. I was just responding to the troll that tries to magnify what's going on in pharma as if it's the only industry reducing headcount. He/she sounds like someone very bitter about their own job situation. But, hey, at least you have a viable product with a great reputation. Here in CVC, we have bad recent data and patent losses. Good luck.
 




Anonymous said:
and you think Biff and Bambi from XYX Pharma, after a week in Vegas for "training" is the ones who will educate the physician?

Go drink some more Kool-aid son
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I don't associate with "Biff and Bambi", and over the years I've pursued education outside the company-offered training. I'm also a patient for some of the products I've promoted, so I've seen healthcare from both sides of the exam room.
You keep distorting the discussion with a lot of preconceived notions about drug reps. Like any group of people, there are standouts and laggards. I've met brilliant physicians that I would trust with my loved ones lives, and some I wouldn't let treat my dog. The pharma companies that hire Ken & Barbie types have learned what a losing proposition that is, and it's cost them dearly.
One of my top doctors recently participated in a peer-to-peer conference. The participants discussed their experience with treatment regimens for a particular disease state. One attendee did not know all the medication options, had a poor grasp of AEs and drug interactions, and completely messed up dosing. He was the one doctor of the group who refused to see reps. Ever.
According to the AMA, adverse drug reactions account for more than 2 million deaths, hospitalizations, or serious injuries every year in the US. How much of that is the result of an overworked physician who doesn't have the time to read, and reread, the Package Insert of every product they RX to check safety data and updates? Yeah, there've been excesses in marketing by pharma companies, but there is still a need to support physicians and patients with the latest available information in order to treat and not harm.
 




Dream on. Anyone who has not been looking in CC since 2000 were laid off in 2011 is just stupid. I am getting out!!! starting my new job June 1. See ya Abbvie you suck!!!
 




Anonymous said:
Humira rep here. I must agree with the sentiment above regarding a major thinning of the herd. I also have a complete overlay partner in a territory with only about 18 viable, seeable targets. Yes, we do fake calls only to avoid being considered a "pest". This is ludicrous and certainly will not continue. One of us is going to be toast soon or got to believe they may completely consolidate surrounding territories and get rid of many more.
We are under constant scrutiny and feel the pressure but are truly not able to make much of a difference. My competitor reps bring snacks and other treats every day and are able to gain access that way. If we do that we risk OEC climbing up our ass and getting fired. So whats a AbbVie rep to do? Not much, in my humble opinion.
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Very true post. We are not fooling anyone. I am not getting very comfortable. Been socking cash away for many years here. There is no reason to expect much of a future here or anywhere in this industry. Its day by day until the next conf call is announced. This little "lean and mean" company is just starting to sharpen its ax.
 




Anonymous said:
Dream on. Anyone who has not been looking in CC since 2000 were laid off in 2011 is just stupid. I am getting out!!! starting my new job June 1. See ya Abbvie you suck!!!
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So, you call making $100K/year, plus benefits, plus car, plus an easy job compared to lots of folks, stupid? I wish you the best of luck in your new endeavor. Just temember, in today's economy, NO job comes with a guarantee.
 




Anonymous said:
there is a realistic possibility that the current onboard drug rep has about a 25% chance of ongoing employment within the next year. if you have overlay partners (I do) then prob 2 of the 3 of you will be gone soon. I am in the same boat. Just keeping it real and making plans.
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The moral of this story is that no one's job is safe in today's economy. There is no magical industry that is immune from change
 








Anonymous said:
The moral of this story is that no one's job is safe in today's economy. There is no magical industry that is immune from change
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If that makes you feel better, fine. But the reality is that this particular industry of pharma is in a perfect storm right now. Healthcare overhaul, price pressures, access issues, backlash against pharma from medical community and the public, etc, etc All these things are coming to a head at once and we are right in the middle of it.
Generic competition is only one of the issues. These jobs are in deep dodo.
 












Thanks Abbvie,

Thank you for letting me know ill be laid off on June 28th. Its been a nice ride the last 5 years in CC but I'm done. I couldn't have continued on in this environment one more day. All of the toxic leadership has finally gotten to me. I'm actually glad to be going!

Signed,

Cardio care rep from Portland.
 








Anonymous said:
Humira rep here. I must agree with the sentiment above regarding a major thinning of the herd. I also have a complete overlay partner in a territory with only about 18 viable, seeable targets. Yes, we do fake calls only to avoid being considered a "pest". This is ludicrous and certainly will not continue. One of us is going to be toast soon or got to believe they may completely consolidate surrounding territories and get rid of many more.
We are under constant scrutiny and feel the pressure but are truly not able to make much of a difference. My competitor reps bring snacks and other treats every day and are able to gain access that way. If we do that we risk OEC climbing up our ass and getting fired. So whats a AbbVie rep to do? Not much, in my humble opinion.
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Thanks for your honesty, but I got to believe this situation is no secret to either the inhouse managemnent or the consultants who are used to restructure. This is the assumption that is driving other pharma companies to thin the ranks. Am pretty sure it will be used here soon as well. Now the theme in pharma sales is LESS IS MORE.
 




I used to think so, but Alaska got posted today. Fucking Alaska? What is next? Wyoming then North Dakota?

FT in Alaska- who would do it? Oh, Hawaii is also posted. Have fun with that one.
 




Anonymous said:
Spot on. Humira has already LOST some significant commercial Payor coverages lately. That's what matters. Period.
Ditto for Androgel. Two drugs with the weight of the entire company on their shoulders for the next year plus. Going to get leaned. Increased "share of voice" is finally recognized as a true negative to gaining acceptance. Its called "being a pest".
Faking calls to avoid this dilemma in the field, only underscores this. "Pesting" is not a viable sales technique in this healthcare environ. Sorry.
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You lost us with "spot on". Nobody says that anymore, and those that used to say it were mostly just MBA newbies or wanna-bees that wanted to sound important.
 




Anonymous said:
Humira rep here. I must agree with the sentiment above regarding a major thinning of the herd. I also have a complete overlay partner in a territory with only about 18 viable, seeable targets. Yes, we do fake calls only to avoid being considered a "pest". This is ludicrous and certainly will not continue. One of us is going to be toast soon or got to believe they may completely consolidate surrounding territories and get rid of many more.
We are under constant scrutiny and feel the pressure but are truly not able to make much of a difference. My competitor reps bring snacks and other treats every day and are able to gain access that way. If we do that we risk OEC climbing up our ass and getting fired. So whats a AbbVie rep to do? Not much, in my humble opinion.
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Androgel rep here. Exact same situation for us. We are the "pests" and are forced to fake calls to stay out of offices. They actually hate seeing us at their doorstep.
This has to be the most embarrassing job, but I do like the easy money! ; )
 




Anonymous said:
Androgel rep here. Exact same situation for us. We are the "pests" and are forced to fake calls to stay out of offices. They actually hate seeing us at their doorstep.
This has to be the most embarrassing job, but I do like the easy money! ; )
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Yup, even worse for our Andro team. There are 3 of us walking over each other!
We know this will not last much longer. Got to be a "leaning" coming soon for us.
Oh well, easy peezy while it lasts!
 




Anonymous said:
Yup, even worse for our Andro team. There are 3 of us walking over each other!
We know this will not last much longer. Got to be a "leaning" coming soon for us.
Oh well, easy peezy while it lasts!
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Better hope you get a similar pkg as CC. They very well my drop it waaaaaay down to save money. Or they could resort to forced firings as they have done in the past to save money.
 












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