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Just curious, did any of you receive a call, other than from manager?
Did anyone receive call from anyone higher up, like regional mgr/cbd?
I would have thought, just as an act of human decency, calls would have been made just to say thanks for your service, hate this happened..
It goes to show that in the end, we are all a PRID#, nothing more,nothing less.
 




anonymous said:
Just curious, did any of you receive a call, other than from manager?
Did anyone receive call from anyone higher up, like regional mgr/cbd?
I would have thought, just as an act of human decency, calls would have been made just to say thanks for your service, hate this happened..
It goes to show that in the end, we are all a PRID#, nothing more,nothing less.
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You finally figured that out??? At one time companies were loyal to their employees and employees were loyal to the company. We all know people who worked 30 plus years for their company and retired well to do. Now, the company has zero loyalty to their employees and employees have zero loyalty to the company. After a year start the ball rolling to find another gig. Take your experience elsewhere. It's a big deal here at dear ole AZ if you get a 3% raise. Find another company and get 15%. Do it again and again. You stay in one place too long people think you are complacent. I know too many people here at AZ who were loyal and great reps only to get the layoff call. Fuck em be only loyal to yourself and your family because corporate America sucks.
 




anonymous said:
You finally figured that out??? At one time companies were loyal to their employees and employees were loyal to the company. We all know people who worked 30 plus years for their company and retired well to do. Now, the company has zero loyalty to their employees and employees have zero loyalty to the company. After a year start the ball rolling to find another gig. Take your experience elsewhere. It's a big deal here at dear ole AZ if you get a 3% raise. Find another company and get 15%. Do it again and again. You stay in one place too long people think you are complacent. I know too many people here at AZ who were loyal and great reps only to get the layoff call. Fuck em be only loyal to yourself and your family because corporate America sucks.
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Merry Christmas
 








anonymous said:
You finally figured that out??? At one time companies were loyal to their employees and employees were loyal to the company. We all know people who worked 30 plus years for their company and retired well to do. Now, the company has zero loyalty to their employees and employees have zero loyalty to the company. After a year start the ball rolling to find another gig. Take your experience elsewhere. It's a big deal here at dear ole AZ if you get a 3% raise. Find another company and get 15%. Do it again and again. You stay in one place too long people think you are complacent. I know too many people here at AZ who were loyal and great reps only to get the layoff call. Fuck em be only loyal to yourself and your family because corporate America sucks.
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Well stated! Screw them before they screw you is the only way to survive in corporate America.
Greed has and continues to run the world. Profits first; people last is the mantra.
I landed here after being screwed by another company and have been screwing AZ for three years. I spend more time and make more money with my
“side business” than with AZ business.
Pharma “sales” is no longer a career and will soon be gone. Drs.don’t need us, don’t want us, and are shutting their doors to Pharma marketing, finally realizing it’s 99% bs anyway.
Good luck to those who were “downsized”. You don’t know it yet, but AZ did you a favor and your life and careers will be better than the one left behind.
 




anonymous said:
You finally figured that out??? At one time companies were loyal to their employees and employees were loyal to the company. We all know people who worked 30 plus years for their company and retired well to do. Now, the company has zero loyalty to their employees and employees have zero loyalty to the company. After a year start the ball rolling to find another gig. Take your experience elsewhere. It's a big deal here at dear ole AZ if you get a 3% raise. Find another company and get 15%. Do it again and again. You stay in one place too long people think you are complacent. I know too many people here at AZ who were loyal and great reps only to get the layoff call. Fuck em be only loyal to yourself and your family because corporate America sucks.
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Retired AZ rep here. I have close to 40 years in the industry. I have always advised reps to never get comfortable at one company, and be willing to hop from one to another. To do what I did, is almost impossible these days. Some of you will make it to 30+ years at AZ, but very, very few will. This company began to slowly change after the merger with AstraMerck. We began to see then that we were just a number and nothing more. It just a business and nothing more. Do what’s best for you and your family. Once you are gone from AZ, it will be as if you never worked there.
 




anonymous said:
Retired AZ rep here. I have close to 40 years in the industry. I have always advised reps to never get comfortable at one company, and be willing to hop from one to another. To do what I did, is almost impossible these days. Some of you will make it to 30+ years at AZ, but very, very few will. This company began to slowly change after the merger with AstraMerck. We began to see then that we were just a number and nothing more. It just a business and nothing more. Do what’s best for you and your family. Once you are gone from AZ, it will be as if you never worked there.
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40 years as a pharma rep! Y'all must be mentally challenged or a lazy oaf!
 








anonymous said:
Retired AZ rep here. I have close to 40 years in the industry. I have always advised reps to never get comfortable at one company, and be willing to hop from one to another. To do what I did, is almost impossible these days. Some of you will make it to 30+ years at AZ, but very, very few will. This company began to slowly change after the merger with AstraMerck. We began to see then that we were just a number and nothing more. It just a business and nothing more. Do what’s best for you and your family. Once you are gone from AZ, it will be as if you never worked there.
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Wow. Congrats. I doubt I will get lucky like you. This diversity crap has put a target on people like you and I.
 




anonymous said:
Just curious, did any of you receive a call, other than from manager?
Did anyone receive call from anyone higher up, like regional mgr/cbd?
I would have thought, just as an act of human decency, calls would have been made just to say thanks for your service, hate this happened..
It goes to show that in the end, we are all a PRID#, nothing more,nothing less.
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I am sure that some of the RBDs would have liked to do just that - say "thank you", but resist because I am sure those calls would turn in to the typical "I'm just gonna get a few things off my chest"...
 








anonymous said:
40 years as a pharma rep! Y'all must be mentally challenged or a lazy oaf!
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Idiot!! First of all the 40 year vet was here during the good years of this industry when pharma reps were respected and the job was highly coveted by so many people. Second, asshole, the 40 year rep has retirement and probably 401K in SEVEN figures. How much do you have in your retirement account? Oh yeah AZ ended that benefit a few years ago. Think before you write such nonsense snowflake.
 








Was with AZ over 19 years, nowhere close to 7 figures in 401k. More like 700k . So much for loyalty "paying off", right?
Prob would be at the 7 figure point had I moved around in pharma.
Oh well, hindsights 2020.
(Yes, it's so bad you just have to be cheesy sometimes).
 




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Was with AZ over 19 years, nowhere close to 7 figures in 401k. More like 700k . So much for loyalty "paying off", right?
Prob would be at the 7 figure point had I moved around in pharma.
Oh well, hindsights 2020.
(Yes, it's so bad you just have to be cheesy sometimes).
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Then shame on you for not taking care of yourself or your family!
 








700K with that amount of time is about right with an average yearly contribution of around 8-10%. People think the market will return huge upside every year...just doesnt happen. Grant it...in the long run it can be a great investment vehicle but there have been a lot of valleys as well as peeks in the last twenty years...bottom line is you have to either put away about 15% or more and then save those bonuses every quarter if you want to be around 1.5 million in that time span. Some choose to live now and some choose to prepare for the "future". Keep in mind 70% of people leave more than 50% of their retirement on the table upon death. So choose wisely.
 




anonymous said:
700K with that amount of time is about right with an average yearly contribution of around 8-10%. People think the market will return huge upside every year...just doesnt happen. Grant it...in the long run it can be a great investment vehicle but there have been a lot of valleys as well as peeks in the last twenty years...bottom line is you have to either put away about 15% or more and then save those bonuses every quarter if you want to be around 1.5 million in that time span. Some choose to live now and some choose to prepare for the "future". Keep in mind 70% of people leave more than 50% of their retirement on the table upon death. So choose wisely.
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Really? 50% on the table? Damn.... Time to go invest in some hookers and coke.
 




40 year rep back again. I hope people didn’t think I was trying to brag that I made it that long, or that my advice about switching from company to company was flawless, because it’s not. When I started it was Stuart Pharmaceuticals. All we had was the GI line of the Mylanta’s, Mylicon, Sorbitrate and the prenatal vitamins. It was 1 rep per company. You were welcomed in offices and most always talked to the doc in their office. Then we launched Tenormin (atenolol), and we had more money than we knew what to do with! Upper management was great and accessible. I walked around a convention floor with our then current CEO for 45 minutes taking about the how great our future was at Stuart. Meetings were great, and they spared no expense on treating us to a great time!

I believe it was Merck that went on a hiring campaign, and that was the beginning of a slow period of changed or the worse. Our pipeline was amazing! It really wasn’t a “job”, but lots of fun. I truly experienced the “Golden Years” of this industry. Oh we complained about what would be totally stupid stuff today, but we didn’t realize how good we had it and what was coming. Believe it or not, I would call my DM and ask him could be come down for a field ride

Of course, all of that changed many years ago. In looking back, I still think the job is one of the best ones available today. Oh I know you have to put up with spreadsheets, useless conference calls, unproductive field rides, and endless role playing but when you look at your salary and benefits, it’s still not a bad job compared to many others.

Make the best of what you have. Save as much as you possibly can, and spend it WISELY. Good luck to all!
 




anonymous said:
40 year rep back again. I hope people didn’t think I was trying to brag that I made it that long, or that my advice about switching from company to company was flawless, because it’s not. When I started it was Stuart Pharmaceuticals. All we had was the GI line of the Mylanta’s, Mylicon, Sorbitrate and the prenatal vitamins. It was 1 rep per company. You were welcomed in offices and most always talked to the doc in their office. Then we launched Tenormin (atenolol), and we had more money than we knew what to do with! Upper management was great and accessible. I walked around a convention floor with our then current CEO for 45 minutes taking about the how great our future was at Stuart. Meetings were great, and they spared no expense on treating us to a great time!

I believe it was Merck that went on a hiring campaign, and that was the beginning of a slow period of changed or the worse. Our pipeline was amazing! It really wasn’t a “job”, but lots of fun. I truly experienced the “Golden Years” of this industry. Oh we complained about what would be totally stupid stuff today, but we didn’t realize how good we had it and what was coming. Believe it or not, I would call my DM and ask him could be come down for a field ride

Of course, all of that changed many years ago. In looking back, I still think the job is one of the best ones available today. Oh I know you have to put up with spreadsheets, useless conference calls, unproductive field rides, and endless role playing but when you look at your salary and benefits, it’s still not a bad job compared to many others.

Make the best of what you have. Save as much as you possibly can, and spend it WISELY. Good luck to all!
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Well said and every word the truth. I also started with Stuart and the work environment was great. Our presidents Bill Lalor and Bob Black were wonderful people both of them carried the bag and loved being with the sales force. You were respected in offices and never did lunches. Of course the industry began to change when more and more sales reps were hired. Multiple reps calling on doctors with the same product. Then companies doing lunches. Doctors and their staffs saw reps as a meal ticket and not a sales professional. I don't believe this industry will ever get back to the time when sales reps were welcomed into offices and highly respected. What a shame it was a great gig.
 




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