The real story behind Kindler

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The one name you don't see in this article is Ed Pratt. He was responsible for the strategy thru the 80s and early 90s that begat huge leaps in profitability (diflucan, cardura, procardia xl, norvas , zoloft...). By the time Steere took over, the company was on an incredible trajectory to the top of the industry. He (Steere) was much more the beneficiary of Pratt's foresight (Pratt took heaps of abuse from Wall St analysts who questioned his R&D focus) than the architect of Pfizer's ascension to the "coveted" industry leadership role.

This article exposes Bill Steere as a power-crazed interloper rather than the mythical figure thousands of loyal Pfizer employees had placed on a pedestal and worshipped. While many prayed for his return to the throne over the past decade, I knew he was still the major power broker/king maker at 235 E. 42nd St. I just didn't realize his influence was this pervasive and this destructive, if this piece is indeed accurate ( and I have no first-hand knowledge to verify/critique it). Sadly my friends in senior management have either retired or been "right-sized", while human excrement like MMc robbed this company blind for YEARS with the explicit approval of the CEO & BOD. Sickening.
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Well said and I agree!
 




Anonymous said:
Give me a break! Yes Steere was on board when the company performed. But don't ignore the parts of this article that clearly show Steere being a control nut and playing a big role in the dysfunction. Plus even while Steere was the CEO he was directly responsible for the nepotism culture that contributed to Pfizer being dysfunctional. I will say it again, the nepotism throughout the years was a BIG contributor to Pfizer's dysfunction by putting people in leadership positions just because... I know first hand of people who got jobs in leadership positions because they knew someone in a position of power. This started under Steere led by the rapid expansions from the Labs, Roerig and eventually Pratt Divisions. Reps on the job two years or less promoted to ARM roles and quickly DM's. DM's moved into RM roles with no measurable success and then on to Vice President position's.

Kindler was a relief to the organization below the HQ level. People in sales were thrilled when he held town hall meetings and listened to concerns that were bottled up for years. The cuts of course were painful but you and I know the organization became too bloated with so many reps in the territory. What did we have something like 5 or 6 reps in one territory selling Lipitor? Kindler did what he had to do. Yes the article brings to light some issues BUT I'll bet more of this goes on throughout corporate america.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. Kindler's honeymoon was over very quickly. The nepotism you speak of started with Mosebrook taking over as VP and many outside VPs coming in and trying build their power base instead of leading performance leading to the gradual and steady loss of great leadership. The CEO had little to do with that. It was the underbelly which is somewhat exposed in the article. Kindler snowed a lot of people until his underlying politics sunk us into an abyss that we are now trying to work out of. The dems/liberals/progressives still hates us and love to slam us and now we pissed off the Republican base who allied with us for years all thanks to an idiot ceo trying to be a politician. He sold us out and hated the sales force, period. Unless you bought the shit. I was in headquarters and I do know. Steere was not a control nut, if you were there. Fact is, the lack of character of the last 2 CEOs are the true issue. One was missing in action and the other was incompetent to be a ceo.
 




Anonymous said:
The one name you don't see in this article is Ed Pratt. He was responsible for the strategy thru the 80s and early 90s that begat huge leaps in profitability (diflucan, cardura, procardia xl, norvas , zoloft...). By the time Steere took over, the company was on an incredible trajectory to the top of the industry. He (Steere) was much more the beneficiary of Pratt's foresight (Pratt took heaps of abuse from Wall St analysts who questioned his R&D focus) than the architect of Pfizer's ascension to the "coveted" industry leadership role.

This article exposes Bill Steere as a power-crazed interloper rather than the mythical figure thousands of loyal Pfizer employees had placed on a pedestal and worshipped. While many prayed for his return to the throne over the past decade, I knew he was still the major power broker/king maker at 235 E. 42nd St. I just didn't realize his influence was this pervasive and this destructive, if this piece is indeed accurate ( and I have no first-hand knowledge to verify/critique it). Sadly my friends in senior management have either retired or been "right-sized", while human excrement like MMc robbed this company blind for YEARS with the explicit approval of the CEO & BOD. Sickening.
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Clearly MMC was a real POS. Scary to think that throughout corp. America there are people like her, able to become hugely influential with no real skills/proven performance other than kissing ass. She ought to become a Harvard Business Review case study on how to wreck ELTs. Of course she was enabled big-time by fools too busy playing their own power games to see what was going on, or else lacking a set to do something to stop it. And the rank and file have paid dearly for it, still paying for it. Hopefully Ian can actually accomplish something positive for those of us who will be lucky enough to survive the next round of cuts. I still think Pfizer has potential...
 




Anonymous said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. Kindler's honeymoon was over very quickly. The nepotism you speak of started with Mosebrook taking over as VP and many outside VPs coming in and trying build their power base instead of leading performance leading to the gradual and steady loss of great leadership. The CEO had little to do with that. It was the underbelly which is somewhat exposed in the article. Kindler snowed a lot of people until his underlying politics sunk us into an abyss that we are now trying to work out of. The dems/liberals/progressives still hates us and love to slam us and now we pissed off the Republican base who allied with us for years all thanks to an idiot ceo trying to be a politician. He sold us out and hated the sales force, period. Unless you bought the shit. I was in headquarters and I do know. Steere was not a control nut, if you were there. Fact is, the lack of character of the last 2 CEOs are the true issue. One was missing in action and the other was incompetent to be a ceo.
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Sure I do. I also was there. Steere maintaining an office in HQ upon his departure and facilitating Kindler into the role of CEO clearly indicate control. I didn't say micromanager but control. Regardless, I agree with what you said.
 




Anonymous said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. Kindler's honeymoon was over very quickly. The nepotism you speak of started with Mosebrook taking over as VP and many outside VPs coming in and trying build their power base instead of leading performance leading to the gradual and steady loss of great leadership. The CEO had little to do with that. It was the underbelly which is somewhat exposed in the article. Kindler snowed a lot of people until his underlying politics sunk us into an abyss that we are now trying to work out of. The dems/liberals/progressives still hates us and love to slam us and now we pissed off the Republican base who allied with us for years all thanks to an idiot ceo trying to be a politician. He sold us out and hated the sales force, period. Unless you bought the shit. I was in headquarters and I do know. Steere was not a control nut, if you were there. Fact is, the lack of character of the last 2 CEOs are the true issue. One was missing in action and the other was incompetent to be a ceo.
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By the way, CEO's are always responsible. So yes on Steere's watch he gets some of the blame despite being on the pedestal that we've placed him.
 




Anonymous said:
Hopefully Ian can actually accomplish something positive for those of us who will be lucky enough to survive the next round of cuts. I still think Pfizer has potential...
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Ian's options are limited. The huge tide of money coming in from Lipitor/Viagra/Zyvox will be ending in the next couple of years. After that the revenue will only support one-half the current number of employees in Pfizer. It's going to be an incredible blood-bath in the next three years. I also expect Pfizer will have to merge with another large pharma to survive in the medium and long term.
 




Anonymous said:
Ian's options are limited. The huge tide of money coming in from Lipitor/Viagra/Zyvox will be ending in the next couple of years. After that the revenue will only support one-half the current number of employees in Pfizer. It's going to be an incredible blood-bath in the next three years. I also expect Pfizer will have to merge with another large pharma to survive in the medium and long term.
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You sound like a dimwit from the woods. You are indeed clueless to what is going on. If you only have surface information it is better to be quiet rather than prove yourself a fool.
 




Anonymous said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. Kindler's honeymoon was over very quickly. The nepotism you speak of started with Mosebrook taking over as VP and many outside VPs coming in and trying build their power base instead of leading performance leading to the gradual and steady loss of great leadership. The CEO had little to do with that. It was the underbelly which is somewhat exposed in the article. Kindler snowed a lot of people until his underlying politics sunk us into an abyss that we are now trying to work out of. The dems/liberals/progressives still hates us and love to slam us and now we pissed off the Republican base who allied with us for years all thanks to an idiot ceo trying to be a politician. He sold us out and hated the sales force, period. Unless you bought the shit. I was in headquarters and I do know. Steere was not a control nut, if you were there. Fact is, the lack of character of the last 2 CEOs are the true issue. One was missing in action and the other was incompetent to be a ceo.
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The explosion of "nepotism" started with the explosion of new divisions and creation of USPG. Remember that Karen hired her former Roerig colleague Hank to head the Pharmaceutical Sales Empire before Mick. Kingdom building kills wherever it is practiced. All the "value-added" programs were nothing more than "justify your existance" exercises. Remember that "Bill Steere" came up through the sales side. I believe it more than fair to hold the BOD responsible. Ian is too close to retirement to really shake things up. My recommendation would be to pay a group of former Pfizer employees with a minimum of 15 years tenure, to perform the consulting for restructuring. They are already "out" and have the least to risk by telling the truth while fixing the company. Hey Pfizer, start a website just for such people and pay them vs some outside no-nothing consultant.
 




Anonymous said:
By the way, CEO's are always responsible. So yes on Steere's watch he gets some of the blame despite being on the pedestal that we've placed him.
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OMG are you people STUPID?

It was Bill Steere who wanted Kindler to be CEO and he pushed other board members to put Kindler in. This was so Steere could still have a direct line to the PFE CEO office. Enough Bill, go away, way, way into retirement. Give up the office you still hold at HQ and visit every month. Please just go away, for god's sake you help distroy this company.
 




Anonymous said:
OMG are you people STUPID?

It was Bill Steere who wanted Kindler to be CEO and he pushed other board members to put Kindler in. This was so Steere could still have a direct line to the PFE CEO office. Enough Bill, go away, way, way into retirement. Give up the office you still hold at HQ and visit every month. Please just go away, for god's sake you help distroy this company.
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I agree with you! Not clear as to why the "stupid" comment was necessary on my post.
 




The day this article was published was a sadest day in the history Pfizer. For a company who has prided itself on being not only high quality but high-class as well, to allow its dirty laundry to be aired in front of the world is deplorable and such a betrayal to 90,000+ colleagues who work hard everyday trying to improve the health of others. We had nothing to do with anything that went on during the period being discussed. We are just trying to figure out how to get work done. What's interesting is that no one is questioning the motive behind publishing this article? If you know anything about this company, you know we don't talk to anyone on the outside without permission and a lot of internal scrutiny. Who gave protection to the 102 people who provided details down to the dollar amount along with emails and quotes? And more importantly who provided the signal to the press that this was more than your ordinary ousting of the top guy? It's obvious this was all about the character assassination of Jeff and Mary. We can certainly check that box. But what does it say about the rest of the executives, most of whom are still working for the Company today, who took home hundreds of thousands of dollars every year but want the world to believe they were too traumatized and victimized to stand up first for what was right for the patients, then for shareholders, for themselves, and for their teams. Jeff and Mary are gone. But their exit isn't going to cure a single disease. The patient is still waiting for leadership in Pfizer - how sad is that!
 




Anonymous said:
The day this article was published was a sadest day in the history Pfizer. For a company who has prided itself on being not only high quality but high-class as well, to allow its dirty laundry to be aired in front of the world is deplorable and such a betrayal to 90,000+ colleagues who work hard everyday trying to improve the health of others. We had nothing to do with anything that went on during the period being discussed. We are just trying to figure out how to get work done. What's interesting is that no one is questioning the motive behind publishing this article? If you know anything about this company, you know we don't talk to anyone on the outside without permission and a lot of internal scrutiny. Who gave protection to the 102 people who provided details down to the dollar amount along with emails and quotes? And more importantly who provided the signal to the press that this was more than your ordinary ousting of the top guy? It's obvious this was all about the character assassination of Jeff and Mary. We can certainly check that box. But what does it say about the rest of the executives, most of whom are still working for the Company today, who took home hundreds of thousands of dollars every year but want the world to believe they were too traumatized and victimized to stand up first for what was right for the patients, then for shareholders, for themselves, and for their teams. Jeff and Mary are gone. But their exit isn't going to cure a single disease. The patient is still waiting for leadership in Pfizer - how sad is that!
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Your the typical no nothing, hear nothing, see nothing kind of person. The type that does not want any type of abuses exposed. There is something called the first amendment, the constitutional right of something called free speech. Are you so naive to believe that there were not many people inside this organization that did not want to let it be known how dysfunctional Pfizer is. Exposing this kind of incompetance hopefully helps to keep it from occurring in the future, at least within the same organization. Why do you think the BOD put Read at the helm. To try and regain some stability to the organization before it completely implodes on itself. I suppose you would have felt that the whistleblower who exposed the manipulation of nicotine by the tobacco industry executives (who lied to congress) should not have come forward as well to expose that fraud on american society. If the truth never gets exposed then the corrupt have a free reign to continue with the exploitation. Thats why people talk, dumbass.
 




Anonymous said:
Your the typical no nothing, hear nothing, see nothing kind of person. The type that does not want any type of abuses exposed. There is something called the first amendment, the constitutional right of something called free speech. Are you so naive to believe that there were not many people inside this organization that did not want to let it be known how dysfunctional Pfizer is. Exposing this kind of incompetance hopefully helps to keep it from occurring in the future, at least within the same organization. Why do you think the BOD put Read at the helm. To try and regain some stability to the organization before it completely implodes on itself. I suppose you would have felt that the whistleblower who exposed the manipulation of nicotine by the tobacco industry executives (who lied to congress) should not have come forward as well to expose that fraud on american society. If the truth never gets exposed then the corrupt have a free reign to continue with the exploitation. Thats why people talk, dumbass.
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Cannot agree more. This is the veil lifted off of hubris and the jackasses taht just want to climb! It is amazing to me that it took this long...what happened with Pedro as well? But really a dental hygienist....would love to see what else she was usning her mouth for in the CEO's office....
 




Weekend at Bernie's III

Enough about this pudgy Matza-Crist. For the few Wyeth folks left in this mess, what about the modern day French turncoat, Bernie Poussot (aka Count De Monay). Is he strolling the French Riveria in a speedo, sampling foie-gras, reminising about the good life that Wyess gave him?
 








Anonymous said:
Your the typical no nothing, hear nothing, see nothing kind of person. The type that does not want any type of abuses exposed. There is something called the first amendment, the constitutional right of something called free speech. Are you so naive to believe that there were not many people inside this organization that did not want to let it be known how dysfunctional Pfizer is. Exposing this kind of incompetance hopefully helps to keep it from occurring in the future, at least within the same organization. Why do you think the BOD put Read at the helm. To try and regain some stability to the organization before it completely implodes on itself. I suppose you would have felt that the whistleblower who exposed the manipulation of nicotine by the tobacco industry executives (who lied to congress) should not have come forward as well to expose that fraud on american society. If the truth never gets exposed then the corrupt have a free reign to continue with the exploitation. Thats why people talk, dumbass.
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I'm sure our competitors sleep very well at night knowing people like you still work here.
 








Anonymous said:
The day this article was published was a sadest day in the history Pfizer. For a company who has prided itself on being not only high quality but high-class as well, to allow its dirty laundry to be aired in front of the world is deplorable and such a betrayal to 90,000+ colleagues who work hard everyday trying to improve the health of others. We had nothing to do with anything that went on during the period being discussed. We are just trying to figure out how to get work done. What's interesting is that no one is questioning the motive behind publishing this article? If you know anything about this company, you know we don't talk to anyone on the outside without permission and a lot of internal scrutiny. Who gave protection to the 102 people who provided details down to the dollar amount along with emails and quotes? And more importantly who provided the signal to the press that this was more than your ordinary ousting of the top guy? It's obvious this was all about the character assassination of Jeff and Mary. We can certainly check that box. But what does it say about the rest of the executives, most of whom are still working for the Company today, who took home hundreds of thousands of dollars every year but want the world to believe they were too traumatized and victimized to stand up first for what was right for the patients, then for shareholders, for themselves, and for their teams. Jeff and Mary are gone. But their exit isn't going to cure a single disease. The patient is still waiting for leadership in Pfizer - how sad is that!
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The patient is waiting...gag me with a flipping spoon. That is one of the stupidest, corniest lines ever. I think it came out of PD3 or one of those other lame ass divisions. I agree this is all shameful and what a bunch of losers these people are; It shows how badly our leadership has indeed crumbled. Character does matter and we continue to have a serious lack thereof. The people of Pfizer are waiting for leadership, but I fear it is too late as anyone who stands up to the total nonsense of today gets taken out. SDs, RM, reps, everyone is forced to play a game because their bosses are all out for themselves and they manage by fear and by mind games.
 




I thought many people came forward and put their jobs and reputations on the lines, but we and were constantly rebuffed by the BOD and the powers that be?


As you can see, it takes an army of complaints to get any traction with the elitists. It's just not worth the effort.
 








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