So it is more than 6; sweet for you.
And an energy rep has how many?
Point is energy reps actually sell products vs account management. A high school grad could successfully take on the responsibility of what a TL does. I wonder why all the recent hires for TL's have been recent college grads or ASR's that have been promoted with a carrot of 95k in front of them.
It's funny the perception of the TL role really depends on which opco one came from. Those that came from Inc seem to think it is a tough job. Keep in mind this is coming from a rep that sold a product with zero competition and the biggest event for them was to put labels on the suture cart to "offer value" and "build relationships". No wonder they get rid of that job. What a joke.
You think a TL just does account management and energy reps sell. What a joke!!
TL reps do way more selling AND account management! You think it's takes more selling for harmonic an densest versus a TL selling hernia mesh, powered, prineo, strata fix, ever point, biologics? You are a real dumbass.
You think a TL just does account management and energy reps sell. What a joke!!
TL reps do way more selling AND account management! You think it's takes more selling for harmonic an densest versus a TL selling hernia mesh, powered, prineo, strata fix, ever point, biologics? You are a real dumbass.
God, please fire my ass and give me the severance now! We in "Energy" are getting our clocks cleaned and the best we get from corp is an articulating device that nobody wants or is willing to pay for!
You want this lead filled, shit lined bag? Take it!
The evolution of Ethicon is like eating a steak at an overrated restaurant.
1st: The ads and menu look great before you go(recruiters & hiring mgr bs),
2nd: You get there and the ambiance seems ok (impressive corp office) and the waiter talks the talk (blowhard trainers/corp dog and pony show).
3rd: Your steak then shows up a bit tough and overlooked (altered comp plans and back orders, random layoffs).
4th: The indigestion issues are next (clueless mgmt pressing for unattainable results, field rides, optimizer updates, and pointless conf calls).
5.) A lot of quality time on the throne ( more field rides, business planning, stocking accts).
6.) The end result being a large pile floating in the bowl (your career).
This post (and topic) is very amusing from the perspective of a GYN rep.
Let me ask all the TL's out there (please don't be offended) why is there so much collaboration between an HBT and TL but not a GYN and TL? Every TL knows our most important products are Interceed and Sigma but yet even this TL fails to point out they even sell those products?
All roles have there pros and cons but the energy position is SIGNIFICANTLY easier than any ESC position. This will all be a mute point when HBT's are selling enseal in bariatric cases and I am selling Enseal of TLH.
I recently left but I will weight in. Here are the toughest positions in order of most difficult to least:
TL
HBT
Gyn
Energy
TL and HBT in my opinion is very close. But TL's seemed to have more business sense. More well rounded if you will. At least in my region when I left
GYN perspective. The TL job is by far the worst. Many have refered to that role as a farmer type role. The HBT would be the best out of all of them. The idea of selling hernia mesh in that competitive space would be fulfilling. Managing product usage in a contracted hospital would be mind numbing. Day after day I would go insane. Plus add suture to that. Kill me now!
The evolution of Ethicon is like eating a steak at an overrated restaurant.
1st: The ads and menu look great before you go(recruiters & hiring mgr bs),
2nd: You get there and the ambiance seems ok (impressive corp office) and the waiter talks the talk (blowhard trainers/corp dog and pony show).
3rd: Your steak then shows up a bit tough and overlooked (altered comp plans and back orders, random layoffs).
4th: The indigestion issues are next (clueless mgmt pressing for unattainable results, field rides, optimizer updates, and pointless conf calls).
5.) A lot of quality time on the throne ( more field rides, business planning, stocking accts).
6.) The end result being a large pile floating in the bowl (your career).
The entire message is being missed by not reading between the lines. We are no longer sales people . If we were we would be paid a very little salary . When I started in 1993 my salary was 32k and my draw was 30k . I am now executive with a nice salary. So a couple, of more years for me. We are no longer a sales driven company but market driven. It has been a great run
TL here. Do you realize that TL has all ventral mesh? We don't sell suture but do have to manage it from time to time. We have a ton of product. Gyn products are way more of a joke....please quit trying to justify your role.
And as far as hbt, let's break it down. Hernia...yes, this is difficult and time consuming. Bariatrics--most docs are using whhat they want already. Not a buff time commitment unless u just want to stand in a case. Thoracic--same thing. Reps are hanging out in thoracic cases much at all. So that leaves hernia which is about the only thing requiring a lot of time.
Speak for yourself man..I made 95 salary and 170 variable..maybe not phenomenal money but I'm happy and I have a good balance. Worked my ass off and grew my territory through good old fashioned sales. It's only over if you treat it like it is.
TL here. Do you realize that TL has all ventral mesh? We don't sell suture but do have to manage it from time to time. We have a ton of product. Gyn products are way more of a joke....please quit trying to justify your role.
And as far as hbt, let's break it down. Hernia...yes, this is difficult and time consuming. Bariatrics--most docs are using whhat they want already. Not a buff time commitment unless u just want to stand in a case. Thoracic--same thing. Reps are hanging out in thoracic cases much at all. So that leaves hernia which is about the only thing requiring a lot of time.
Yeah no shit. I made good money too. For those that say we are not salespeople...what the hell are doing on a daily basis.
I've been in sales 20 years in different industries and this job is the hardest sales job hands down! It always amazes me when I hear that because I think it totally opposite. So many freakin obstacles to sell anything in the hospital then you gotta convince the surgeon. It's a very complex sales with a lot of decision makers that btw, you have to have good relationships with too. Must be trolls saying that crap. We don't get paid enough already
Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe you are not as smart as those around you? Possibly a little slower to understand new concepts than the greeter at Wal-Mart? That my friend is why you feel this job is so complex and hard. For me and many others of average intelligence feel this job is very easy.
