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I was talking to a former legacy rep this week that has changed my whole view of JBI and CP. I heard this rep was making bank at another biotech and wanted to see if they were hiring. They laughed when I told them the rumor was they were forced out and their manager and director were using it to prove how tough they are to MH getting rid of a high paid legacy rep. I gave plenty of chances for them to rip their old manager and director since I know what tools these people are and the legacy rep wouldn't say anything negative. They said they pitied the manager and director and felt sorry for the people who had to work for them. But we all make choices the legacy rep said. The rep said they tried to stick it out because of what the company once was. Then they looked around and saw most of their colleagues were gone, the ones left were just as miserable, and our culture was now fully big pharma with all of the incompetence, mediocrity pretending to be excellence, and excessive spreadsheets that sell nothing that make big pharma what it is. The rep asked themselves why they were trying to stick it out for a culture they hated and leadership that lacked both integrity and competence. So the rep looked for a real biotech company and realized that everything JBI was saying about compensation and the grass not being greener was a lie. There were still great opportunities out there with positive cultures where reps are valued. The rep told me of other legacy that left that are rocking it. The legacy rep then said change is constant, even when the change is negative like Centocor becoming JBI you can learn from it but don't let it change who you are. Getting wrapped up in a negative culture like JBI can give you a negative outlook which you then help spread. I ended the call thinking no wonder this rep was so highly thought of by their peers when they were here. I was inspired by talking to them. I'm not going to talk crap about my director or manager anymore. We always talk about flawless execution. That now defines my exit strategy. I will find a company that is sincere about being patient focused, that has a thriving, positive culture where promotion is based on performance and ability, and reps are valued.
 




anonymous said:
I was talking to a former legacy rep this week that has changed my whole view of JBI and CP. I heard this rep was making bank at another biotech and wanted to see if they were hiring. They laughed when I told them the rumor was they were forced out and their manager and director were using it to prove how tough they are to MH getting rid of a high paid legacy rep. I gave plenty of chances for them to rip their old manager and director since I know what tools these people are and the legacy rep wouldn't say anything negative. They said they pitied the manager and director and felt sorry for the people who had to work for them. But we all make choices the legacy rep said. The rep said they tried to stick it out because of what the company once was. Then they looked around and saw most of their colleagues were gone, the ones left were just as miserable, and our culture was now fully big pharma with all of the incompetence, mediocrity pretending to be excellence, and excessive spreadsheets that sell nothing that make big pharma what it is. The rep asked themselves why they were trying to stick it out for a culture they hated and leadership that lacked both integrity and competence. So the rep looked for a real biotech company and realized that everything JBI was saying about compensation and the grass not being greener was a lie. There were still great opportunities out there with positive cultures where reps are valued. The rep told me of other legacy that left that are rocking it. The legacy rep then said change is constant, even when the change is negative like Centocor becoming JBI you can learn from it but don't let it change who you are. Getting wrapped up in a negative culture like JBI can give you a negative outlook which you then help spread. I ended the call thinking no wonder this rep was so highly thought of by their peers when they were here. I was inspired by talking to them. I'm not going to talk crap about my director or manager anymore. We always talk about flawless execution. That now defines my exit strategy. I will find a company that is sincere about being patient focused, that has a thriving, positive culture where promotion is based on performance and ability, and reps are valued.
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This is without a doubt one of the best things I have ever read on this site. I have a friend who is also a very-well know successful legacy rep who is retiring soon. In the past few years he was targeted by management for some unknown reasons because the guy was still winning President's Clubs while they were giving him the lowest ratings possible. And he did it with a smile and confidence. Once he told me, "Here's the secret: While they're whining, I'm winning." I never heard this guy say a bad thing about anyone, even when the jealous reps he works with were telling me all kinds of crap behind his back. But it all taught me a great lesson. This guy is leaving, but he's not going to another company. I won't betray his trust here but a lot of us who like this guy know what is happening for him and it goes to show that good things happen for great people. I think it's funny that the haters are going to be slaving over spreadsheets and still miserable. They did what they could to drive out this person, and they ended up putting him in a place that they could only dream of.
 




Legacy reps are targeted for many reasons ( mostly jealously) by ego-centric dms and rbds who have to be the center of attention and who are jealousy of the tenure, benefits, numeration, etc. of that rep. They know more and have more history than the management and that infuriates management (because it intimidates them). Whether the rep leaves for much greener pastures, retires, initiates litigation, etc. the legacy rep wins. At least I have seen that more times over the decades than the management.
 




anonymous said:
Legacy reps are targeted for many reasons ( mostly jealously) by ego-centric dms and rbds who have to be the center of attention and who are jealousy of the tenure, benefits, numeration, etc. of that rep. They know more and have more history than the management and that infuriates management (because it intimidates them). Whether the rep leaves for much greener pastures, retires, initiates litigation, etc. the legacy rep wins. At least I have seen that more times over the decades than the management.
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Lets face it many of the DMs and RBDs weren't that good in sales anyway. Legends in their own minds. They get VERY uncomfortable when they are giving "sales" direction / advice to legacy reps because they know the rep is probably better than they ever were and they HATE that feeling. They need to be imparting knowledge on lesser employees.
 








There are only two reasons to post on CP. To stur up shit or to call someone out for doing it. This post is entirely by the same poster who is trying to pose as another hoping that their managers will read this, believe it, and jump all over those reps. Go back to your old job at Dairy Queen. I can say that your ignorant portrayal of all involved shows us that you have been here for a short while, as you most likely do with all your jobs. 100% con job.
 




anonymous said:
There are only two reasons to post on CP. To stur up shit or to call someone out for doing it. This post is entirely by the same poster who is trying to pose as another hoping that their managers will read this, believe it, and jump all over those reps. Go back to your old job at Dairy Queen. I can say that your ignorant portrayal of all involved shows us that you have been here for a short while, as you most likely do with all your jobs. 100% con job.
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You're right. I see post after post on this site that would make the poster very obvious to anyone reading it, but I know that the guy it's referring to is way smarter than to expose himself like that. It comes from jealous lowlifes who then put a bug in everyone's ear that the poster is a different person. Nothing less attractive than a man who is a gossip.
 








No, I agree with those posters. I know of one guy, a total underachiever and nothing impressive, who has come on here for years planting posts and then getting on the phone during the day with other reps (mostly female) talking about his "suspicions" over who the "posting reps" are, even though he knows it's himself. He even goes to his manager with this stuff in order to throw other reps who actually do their own jobs well under the bus. People like this are like a cancer in an organization, but to some degree this strategy has worked for this rep. Big deal. He has no dignity and most decent employees know his game and think he is a total poser.
 




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To post #6, 7: Both of you do not know what you are talking about. Put in a few decades of service and maybe you will wise up or more likely, not.
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OP here. Poster 6&7 are likely the same person, works for Janssen, not JBI or if they do they are definitely a manager. Mostly because his post has zero to do with what I am saying. There's a manager that pretends to be a rep that gets on here a lot and posts at 1 or 2 in the morning after a night of drinking. Also posting on the weekend? Is your life that empty that you even look at CP on a week-end? I have no clue who poster 9 is talking about but that sounds like Janssen too. There are more than 2 reasons people read CP, to say otherwise shows the narrow vision of a JBI manager. My post is about me reaching out to a former legacy rep who I didn't personally know but had heard about who is at another company doing very well and wanted to see if it was true and if they had any openings. I'm tired of the toxic environment here. The lack of leadership and opportunity and how the CREDO is crap-o at JBI. I have been here long enough to see what's going on and I have never heard one single rep at any meeting that would ever get on here and praise JBI. Even the brown nosers are just playing the game. The legacy rep I talked to was very bright and friendly but is not the same person as poster 2 is talking about. I don't know anything about that rep's situation but it sounds typical of this company. The rep I spoke to knew almost everyone here and really gave me a history of this place. They weren't stirring shit up about anyone. In fact, the only negative things I have heard were about this rep originating from managers and directors in their region. Typical when managers and directors are targeting someone for termination. I am saying nothing new to 99% of JBI reps. We all live this. I was inspired by talking to this legacy rep. The point of my post is about moving on rather than remaining in this toxic environment where we are told that we are lucky to have this job. To let other JBI reps know we all feel the same way and there is a better way. Thank you sir, may I have another? No Thanks!
 












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OP here. Poster 6&7 are likely the same person, works for Janssen, not JBI or if they do they are definitely a manager. Mostly because his post has zero to do with what I am saying. There's a manager that pretends to be a rep that gets on here a lot and posts at 1 or 2 in the morning after a night of drinking. Also posting on the weekend? Is your life that empty that you even look at CP on a week-end? I have no clue who poster 9 is talking about but that sounds like Janssen too. There are more than 2 reasons people read CP, to say otherwise shows the narrow vision of a JBI manager. My post is about me reaching out to a former legacy rep who I didn't personally know but had heard about who is at another company doing very well and wanted to see if it was true and if they had any openings. I'm tired of the toxic environment here. The lack of leadership and opportunity and how the CREDO is crap-o at JBI. I have been here long enough to see what's going on and I have never heard one single rep at any meeting that would ever get on here and praise JBI. Even the brown nosers are just playing the game. The legacy rep I talked to was very bright and friendly but is not the same person as poster 2 is talking about. I don't know anything about that rep's situation but it sounds typical of this company. The rep I spoke to knew almost everyone here and really gave me a history of this place. They weren't stirring shit up about anyone. In fact, the only negative things I have heard were about this rep originating from managers and directors in their region. Typical when managers and directors are targeting someone for termination. I am saying nothing new to 99% of JBI reps. We all live this. I was inspired by talking to this legacy rep. The point of my post is about moving on rather than remaining in this toxic environment where we are told that we are lucky to have this job. To let other JBI reps know we all feel the same way and there is a better way. Thank you sir, may I have another? No Thanks!
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Good one dude but check this out. You could also just get a side business dude. Start building it up like I did right under their noses. One rep who sadly passed away had three or four businesses and was making bank. Good dude too.
 




anonymous said:
Good one dude but check this out. You could also just get a side business dude. Start building it up like I did right under their noses. One rep who sadly passed away had three or four businesses and was making bank. Good dude too.
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A couple of guys I know did the same thing while becoming world class bodybuilders and another trains for marathons on his company time. It's an easy gig and management is blind as a bat! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, he he he he he he he.
 




anonymous said:
I was talking to a former legacy rep this week that has changed my whole view of JBI and CP. I heard this rep was making bank at another biotech and wanted to see if they were hiring. They laughed when I told them the rumor was they were forced out and their manager and director were using it to prove how tough they are to MH getting rid of a high paid legacy rep. I gave plenty of chances for them to rip their old manager and director since I know what tools these people are and the legacy rep wouldn't say anything negative. They said they pitied the manager and director and felt sorry for the people who had to work for them. But we all make choices the legacy rep said. The rep said they tried to stick it out because of what the company once was. Then they looked around and saw most of their colleagues were gone, the ones left were just as miserable, and our culture was now fully big pharma with all of the incompetence, mediocrity pretending to be excellence, and excessive spreadsheets that sell nothing that make big pharma what it is. The rep asked themselves why they were trying to stick it out for a culture they hated and leadership that lacked both integrity and competence. So the rep looked for a real biotech company and realized that everything JBI was saying about compensation and the grass not being greener was a lie. There were still great opportunities out there with positive cultures where reps are valued. The rep told me of other legacy that left that are rocking it. The legacy rep then said change is constant, even when the change is negative like Centocor becoming JBI you can learn from it but don't let it change who you are. Getting wrapped up in a negative culture like JBI can give you a negative outlook which you then help spread. I ended the call thinking no wonder this rep was so highly thought of by their peers when they were here. I was inspired by talking to them. I'm not going to talk crap about my director or manager anymore. We always talk about flawless execution. That now defines my exit strategy. I will find a company that is sincere about being patient focused, that has a thriving, positive culture where promotion is based on performance and ability, and reps are valued.
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Wow! Something intelligent on cafe pharma.
 




anonymous said:
This is without a doubt one of the best things I have ever read on this site. I have a friend who is also a very-well know successful legacy rep who is retiring soon. In the past few years he was targeted by management for some unknown reasons because the guy was still winning President's Clubs while they were giving him the lowest ratings possible. And he did it with a smile and confidence. Once he told me, "Here's the secret: While they're whining, I'm winning." I never heard this guy say a bad thing about anyone, even when the jealous reps he works with were telling me all kinds of crap behind his back. But it all taught me a great lesson. This guy is leaving, but he's not going to another company. I won't betray his trust here but a lot of us who like this guy know what is happening for him and it goes to show that good things happen for great people. I think it's funny that the haters are going to be slaving over spreadsheets and still miserable. They did what they could to drive out this person, and they ended up putting him in a place that they could only dream of.
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I'm pretty sure I know who this is about and I couldn't be happier for the person. When you say legacy you should also say legend. Hate to lose this guy but he's too talented for this gig.
 




I think both the first two posters are referring to academic reps. I've always liked mine. Some of the bullshit he's shared with me makes me wonder why they all haven't left. I remember when that was a promoted position, sad because there are some top reps there. I think I agree with the OP. Generic Remicade, Enbrel, and Humira. IL-17. SimpOni sucks. Endless spreadsheets. Time to get on the last bus.
 








anonymous said:
I think both the first two posters are referring to academic reps. I've always liked mine. Some of the bullshit he's shared with me makes me wonder why they all haven't left. I remember when that was a promoted position, sad because there are some top reps there. I think I agree with the OP. Generic Remicade, Enbrel, and Humira. IL-17. SimpOni sucks. Endless spreadsheets. Time to get on the last bus.
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In my region I have a couple of great academic reps. Both with long histories of success. But for some reason the older guy gets shit on all the time. I've asked other reps and they say the reason is that he gets all the sales numbers that his great territory partners produce but he goes to P club while they don't? I don't think that most reps know that the academic reps are ranked on their accounts alone, not zip codes. So logically, if your academic rep is killing it in their hospital accounts, that you get credit for, why aren't you killing it in your community accounts to hit the stage too? At one point, senior management should have a call explaining this to the field sales force, so they get it. But that won't happen because management has a plan to phase out academics and they want nobody to feel sorry for them. Bottom line, if your academic is winning and winning, and you can't close the deal in your own accounts, you shouldn't be selling.
 








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