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[anonymous]

…but we should be thankful because we got bought and still have a job…is the rest of that sentence

There you go skippy. You Horizon people are some of the most entitled, whiny reps I have ever seen. That is saying a lot for this industry. Your fraternity party is over. Get used to it or get out. We don’t really care.

 

[anonymous]

Hell no.

Delta is ready when are hot shot. Get on down the road and find someone you are happy working for. Does it ever occur to you that all the things you thought were so great about Horizon may be some of the reasons your beloved Horizon no longer exists?

 

[anonymous]

Delta is ready when are hot shot. Get on down the road and find someone you are happy working for. Does it ever occur to you that all the things you thought were so great about Horizon may be some of the reasons your beloved Horizon no longer exists?

Every company I’ve worked for in pharma/biotech my 25 year tenure has given merit increases (not just Horizon), especially to those who are above goal. Are you saying that Amgen doesn’t regularly give annual Marriott increases? Because that’s pretty shitty!

 

[anonymous]

There you go skippy. You Horizon people are some of the most entitled, whiny reps I have ever seen. That is saying a lot for this industry. Your fraternity party is over. Get used to it or get out. We don’t really care.

We are entitled because we are some of the best reps in the industry and have been compensated accordingly. Amgen is full of underperforming reps who are compensated accordingly. Horizon was bought because it was a small company with 2 prominent revenue-growing drugs, making you a target. You have to sell if the offer is high enough. Amgen offered the most, so here we are. As a company, Amgen is in a world of hurt. Losing patent protection on its most significant products, spending a ton in selling expenses on a cardio drug that isn't that big, and putting all its eggs in this weight loss drug that will be last to market if it even makes it out of the pipeline. So trust me when I say Amgen needs us way more than we need them. Proof of this is that I'm still getting paid 30k+ a quarter in bonus through 2025. Our average rep makes more bonuses in a quarter than most of Amgen makes in a year. Fact.

The White Guys for Harris crowd that populates the halls of Amgen HQ will being in for quite the culture shock as more and more Horizon legacy people are put in leadership positions to fix this mess.

 

[anonymous]

We are entitled because we are some of the best reps in the industry and have been compensated accordingly. Amgen is full of underperforming reps who are compensated accordingly. Horizon was bought because it was a small company with 2 prominent revenue-growing drugs, making you a target. You have to sell if the offer is high enough. Amgen offered the most, so here we are. As a company, Amgen is in a world of hurt. Losing patent protection on its most significant products, spending a ton in selling expenses on a cardio drug that isn't that big, and putting all its eggs in this weight loss drug that will be last to market if it even makes it out of the pipeline. So trust me when I say Amgen needs us way more than we need them. Proof of this is that I'm still getting paid 30k+ a quarter in bonus through 2025. Our average rep makes more bonuses in a quarter than most of Amgen makes in a year. Fact.

The White Guys for Harris crowd that populates the halls of Amgen HQ will being in for quite the culture shock as more and more Horizon legacy people are put in leadership positions to fix this mess.

You are correct that the halls in TO are full of beta males, but you Horizon white knights aren’t going to be the answer. The reason you still have high bonuses is a product of labor law that prevents your jobs from being materially changed for a period of time. You’re correct, many Amgen reps aren’t anything special, I’ve been one for a long time, and the overall quality is way way down, but my friend, I’ve seen enough Horizon reps as well, and y’all are hardly the gift to pharma sales you want to believe you are. You signed on with a small company and you have been rewarded for that risk. Congratulations. Your comp package is a function of how many other people are willing and able to do your job. When you were at Horizon, not as many people were willing to take the risk of working for a small largely unknown company, so comp went up. You can train an idiot to sell drugs in today’s environment, and tons of those idiots would love to work at Amgen. Ergo, smaller IC packages, lower salaries because Amgen doesn’t have to pay more. Early on, when Amgen was younger and less stable, we were very highly paid, we drove really nice cars, our stock purchase plan was an ATM. With success, prominence, and market conditions, that need to pay a premium for talent has been reduced. So no, they don’t need you. Frankly, they don’t need me. The difference appears to be that I have the common sense, or healthy understanding of my place in the scene to see it. Don’t misattribute importance to luck.

 

[anonymous]

You are correct that the halls in TO are full of beta males, but you Horizon white knights aren’t going to be the answer. The reason you still have high bonuses is a product of labor law that prevents your jobs from being materially changed for a period of time. You’re correct, many Amgen reps aren’t anything special, I’ve been one for a long time, and the overall quality is way way down, but my friend, I’ve seen enough Horizon reps as well, and y’all are hardly the gift to pharma sales you want to believe you are. You signed on with a small company and you have been rewarded for that risk. Congratulations. Your comp package is a function of how many other people are willing and able to do your job. When you were at Horizon, not as many people were willing to take the risk of working for a small largely unknown company, so comp went up. You can train an idiot to sell drugs in today’s environment, and tons of those idiots would love to work at Amgen. Ergo, smaller IC packages, lower salaries because Amgen doesn’t have to pay more. Early on, when Amgen was younger and less stable, we were very highly paid, we drove really nice cars, our stock purchase plan was an ATM. With success, prominence, and market conditions, that need to pay a premium for talent has been reduced. So no, they don’t need you. Frankly, they don’t need me. The difference appears to be that I have the common sense, or healthy understanding of my place in the scene to see it. Don’t misattribute importance to luck.

I never misattribute…it will make you go blind.

 

[anonymous]

You are correct that the halls in TO are full of beta males, but you Horizon white knights aren’t going to be the answer. The reason you still have high bonuses is a product of labor law that prevents your jobs from being materially changed for a period of time. You’re correct, many Amgen reps aren’t anything special, I’ve been one for a long time, and the overall quality is way way down, but my friend, I’ve seen enough Horizon reps as well, and y’all are hardly the gift to pharma sales you want to believe you are. You signed on with a small company and you have been rewarded for that risk. Congratulations. Your comp package is a function of how many other people are willing and able to do your job. When you were at Horizon, not as many people were willing to take the risk of working for a small largely unknown company, so comp went up. You can train an idiot to sell drugs in today’s environment, and tons of those idiots would love to work at Amgen. Ergo, smaller IC packages, lower salaries because Amgen doesn’t have to pay more. Early on, when Amgen was younger and less stable, we were very highly paid, we drove really nice cars, our stock purchase plan was an ATM. With success, prominence, and market conditions, that need to pay a premium for talent has been reduced. So no, they don’t need you. Frankly, they don’t need me. The difference appears to be that I have the common sense, or healthy understanding of my place in the scene to see it. Don’t misattribute importance to luck.

Legacy HZN here. Well said.

 

[anonymous]

You are correct that the halls in TO are full of beta males, but you Horizon white knights aren’t going to be the answer. The reason you still have high bonuses is a product of labor law that prevents your jobs from being materially changed for a period of time. You’re correct, many Amgen reps aren’t anything special, I’ve been one for a long time, and the overall quality is way way down, but my friend, I’ve seen enough Horizon reps as well, and y’all are hardly the gift to pharma sales you want to believe you are. You signed on with a small company and you have been rewarded for that risk. Congratulations. Your comp package is a function of how many other people are willing and able to do your job. When you were at Horizon, not as many people were willing to take the risk of working for a small largely unknown company, so comp went up. You can train an idiot to sell drugs in today’s environment, and tons of those idiots would love to work at Amgen. Ergo, smaller IC packages, lower salaries because Amgen doesn’t have to pay more. Early on, when Amgen was younger and less stable, we were very highly paid, we drove really nice cars, our stock purchase plan was an ATM. With success, prominence, and market conditions, that need to pay a premium for talent has been reduced. So no, they don’t need you. Frankly, they don’t need me. The difference appears to be that I have the common sense, or healthy understanding of my place in the scene to see it. Don’t misattribute importance to luck.

But I make more money than you or anyone else in the history of Pharma!!!!

That means I am better and irreplaceable

 

[anonymous]

But I make more money than you or anyone else in the history of Pharma!!!!

That means I am better and irreplaceable

We make more money because we do get results in a hard market with fewer resources. Rare disease and especially buy and bill infusions are different than selling pills or self-injectables in a crowded market. Amgen sales reps are jealous and don't see the "big deal". But what is ironic is they couldn't do the job if they had it. What till the max exodus happens, and then look at the results with the competitors that will soon be coming to market.

 

[anonymous]

We make more money because we do get results in a hard market with fewer resources. Rare disease and especially buy and bill infusions are different than selling pills or self-injectables in a crowded market. Amgen sales reps are jealous and don't see the "big deal". But what is ironic is they couldn't do the job if they had it. What till the max exodus happens, and then look at the results with the competitors that will soon be coming to market.

I’ve done buy and bill before and I’m pretty sure I could untie that Gordian Knot again. Maybe not quite as well as you have, but with the support of family and friends I might be able to soldier on. If y’all were so special and uniquely talented, the bidding by all the companies yearning to avail themselves of your exceptional knowledge and skill would have driven the price so high that you would still be Horizon. You hit the jackpot, your risk worked, but now the party is over. It happens to everyone! It’s part of a company’s life cycle.

 

[anonymous]

I’ve done buy and bill before and I’m pretty sure I could untie that Gordian Knot again. Maybe not quite as well as you have, but with the support of family and friends I might be able to soldier on. If y’all were so special and uniquely talented, the bidding by all the companies yearning to avail themselves of your exceptional knowledge and skill would have driven the price so high that you would still be Horizon. You hit the jackpot, your risk worked, but now the party is over. It happens to everyone! It’s part of a company’s life cycle.

We are in high demand. People have been leaving slowly for 190-210k bases and a similar bonus. Most are sticking around for the final hoorah since the bonus is not changing for the first 3/4 of the year. Amgen reps are not getting those calls for comparable jobs. We are getting hit up every couple of weeks at a minimum.

So you could do what I do, but no one seems willing to take a chance to hire you. Stick with what you know: orals and injectables with formulary-driven results. It's not a bad job, and it still pays okay. Leave infusion and rare disease to people who know what they are doing.

 

[anonymous]

We are in high demand. People have been leaving slowly for 190-210k bases and a similar bonus. Most are sticking around for the final hoorah since the bonus is not changing for the first 3/4 of the year. Amgen reps are not getting those calls for comparable jobs. We are getting hit up every couple of weeks at a minimum.

So you could do what I do, but no one seems willing to take a chance to hire you. Stick with what you know: orals and injectables with formulary-driven results. It's not a bad job, and it still pays okay. Leave infusion and rare disease to people who know what they are doing.

Yes, you are a very special boy, so smart, and so good looking.

 

[anonymous]

We are in high demand. People have been leaving slowly for 190-210k bases and a similar bonus. Most are sticking around for the final hoorah since the bonus is not changing for the first 3/4 of the year. Amgen reps are not getting those calls for comparable jobs. We are getting hit up every couple of weeks at a minimum.

So you could do what I do, but no one seems willing to take a chance to hire you. Stick with what you know: orals and injectables with formulary-driven results. It's not a bad job, and it still pays okay. Leave infusion and rare disease to people who know what they are doing.

You sound like one of the Celgene crybabies. Just like them, you will be eliminated. Good riddance.

Those who remain will be focused on serving patients, competing intensely and WINNING!