RIP Baxter...

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Anyone else feel like its over for Baxter? At $29 a share, SimplyWall.st suggests the stock is overvalued, with a Price-to-Earnings ratio of 120.8x. For comparison, the fair price ratio is estimated to be 51.9x, which would put the stock’s fair value closer to $12.46.

I don't think layoffs will be enough. 15b in revenue, 5.52b of that are expenses. A majority of this revenue is being wasted in the cost of sales, which means the margins on our products are too low to cover the debt. Think about this 9.42b with b is being spent on processes that are both expensive and slow. They need to fix that for long term success. Make the process faster and cheaper and increase those margins baby.

You can play the numbers to slow the fall of the stock price by using growth rate. This is what people who don't make products will do. Look at the talking points of our leadership to see old vaccines or other pipeline related talking points to increase Price/Earning to Growth rates. Its pointless though as any new product will hit the same inefficiences that the rest of our products hit, its expensive at Baxter to produce products and the margins are too low.

With analyst predictions like this:
- Revenue vs Market: BAX's revenue is expected to decline over the next 3 years (-3.1% per year).
- High Growth Revenue: BAX's revenue is forecast to decline over the next 3 years (-3.1% per year).

Calculating stock price based on that decline we are look at $9.60 a share. So we are about 10b over valued according to the numbers that are publically available.
 


















Anyone else feel like its over for Baxter? At $29 a share, SimplyWall.st suggests the stock is overvalued, with a Price-to-Earnings ratio of 120.8x. For comparison, the fair price ratio is estimated to be 51.9x, which would put the stock’s fair value closer to $12.46.

I don't think layoffs will be enough. 15b in revenue, 5.52b of that are expenses. A majority of this revenue is being wasted in the cost of sales, which means the margins on our products are too low to cover the debt. Think about this 9.42b with b is being spent on processes that are both expensive and slow. They need to fix that for long term success. Make the process faster and cheaper and increase those margins baby.

You can play the numbers to slow the fall of the stock price by using growth rate. This is what people who don't make products will do. Look at the talking points of our leadership to see old vaccines or other pipeline related talking points to increase Price/Earning to Growth rates. Its pointless though as any new product will hit the same inefficiences that the rest of our products hit, its expensive at Baxter to produce products and the margins are too low.

With analyst predictions like this:
- Revenue vs Market: BAX's revenue is expected to decline over the next 3 years (-3.1% per year).
- High Growth Revenue: BAX's revenue is forecast to decline over the next 3 years (-3.1% per year).

Calculating stock price based on that decline we are look at $9.60 a share. So we are about 10b over valued according to the numbers that are publically available.
SimllyWallSt. P/E of 121x is not accurate, it's actually sitting closer to 10x right now. Bax guidance for EPS when removing Vantive and other discontinuing operations is about $1.82 moving forward, so adjusted P/E should currently be about 16x which is still low for healthcare (avg. P/E 30x).

A price of $9.60/share implies P/E of 5x (again adjusting for removal of Vantive) which is extremely low historically. Not saying that can't happen, but once Vantive is officially separated and Bax does their cost cutting/layoff BS in Q1 and Joe is eventually fired (please let that happen ASAP), I see Bax stock settling out in the low $20s before slowly heading back up. If macro trends aren't favorable in the coming years though (think market downturn or another global pandemic or more supply chain constraints occur), single digit stock price could happen but I think Bax would get bought out by that point as that would be an attractive value for a healthier company. If new leadership team could right the ship, FMV for BAX could be $35-50/share in a few short years so we'll see.

Regardless, Bax is in bad shape and this is going to be a pivotal year if it is going to survive long term. MUST start by axing Joe and his band of idiots on the board and leadership team to get this moving in right direction. If not, it's criminal
 






Attention all investors and employees , Joe is incompetent, he spews venom and hate speech , as he travels around the world

I have had many direct conversations with him and he ultimately does nothing. In 2017 he directed me to shut down compounding in Australia. i did not agree with him , did not get promotion and subsequently left. compounding is still in ANZ floundering its way thru at low single digit margins with creative accounting to make it look more appealing. Joe has never returned to Australia despite saying he would visit ever year these are the words of a narcissistic sociopath. Sadly an incompetent one , three dangerous traits for a CEO , hence Bax shares are worthless now . Mine are not worthless as i sold at dizzy heights to funds my retirement , thanks Joe ! I hear its a miserable , miserable place to work now
 






























Attention all investors and employees , Joe is incompetent, he spews venom and hate speech , as he travels around the world

I have had many direct conversations with him and he ultimately does nothing. In 2017 he directed me to shut down compounding in Australia. i did not agree with him , did not get promotion and subsequently left. compounding is still in ANZ floundering its way thru at low single digit margins with creative accounting to make it look more appealing. Joe has never returned to Australia despite saying he would visit ever year these are the words of a narcissistic sociopath. Sadly an incompetent one , three dangerous traits for a CEO , hence Bax shares are worthless now . Mine are not worthless as i sold at dizzy heights to funds my retirement , thanks Joe ! I hear its a miserable , miserable place to work now
Surely he could not afford to fly the private jet so far … jaja and yes I think you are right on the creative accounting and hope nothing dodgy comes out on that side in the coming months to further smash the shares…
 






























Big layoffs with a minimum severance… finally the lucky ones as the ones who are gone already…
Man I am so under paid that unemployement would be considered a raise. That was a joke, but seriously just offer early retirement, there are so many people that are just waiting for that to be offered. They can still do layoffs, but let the people who want to leave leave. Everyone is just waiting on Baxter to make their offer so they can leave with some extra cash.

Do it please, offer early retirement :)
 






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Man I am so under paid that unemployement would be considered a raise. That was a joke, but seriously just offer early retirement, there are so many people that are just waiting for that to be offered. They can still do layoffs, but let the people who want to leave leave. Everyone is just waiting on Baxter to make their offer so they can leave with some extra cash.

Do it please, offer early retirement :)
I believe the practice of offering early retirement ended a few years ago when a boat load of people took Baxter up on it. Cost them a lot of money. They would rather fire you or wait until your so disgusted and leave on your own
 






I thought the severance amount has always been two weeks for every year of service?
Yes this is typically what Baxter offers for layoff severance. There is no federal or Illinois law requiring a company to pay severance at all though, and with the state this company is in i would not be surprised whatsoever to see reduced severance payouts or none at all if the layoffs are going to be as large as some are rumoring or predicting.

Unfortunately the employees and shareholders are ultimately the ones paying the price of the horrible decisions made by Joe and the board and for which zero accountability has been or will be taken. Such an incredible shame what has happened and that he is still in charge, ranting and rambling nonsense all along the way.
 






I hope $30 a share is not the new ceiling. I feel bad for those that have retirements tied up in that.

Doesn't the WARN act require advance notice of layoffs, and my understanding is that these companies will fire people and just give them two months pay as a loop hole. So there should be some severance of some kind.
 






I hope $30 a share is not the new ceiling. I feel bad for those that have retirements tied up in that.

Doesn't the WARN act require advance notice of layoffs, and my understanding is that these companies will fire people and just give them two months pay as a loop hole. So there should be some severance of some kind.
Todays closing stock price is lower than it was on Sept 28, 2001
 






I hope $30 a share is not the new ceiling. I feel bad for those that have retirements tied up in that.

Doesn't the WARN act require advance notice of layoffs, and my understanding is that these companies will fire people and just give them two months pay as a loop hole. So there should be some severance of some kind.
I believe that they only have to give notice once it reaches 2000 employees at a particular site, which is why there is only 20 here, 20 there. Never the fulllevel. This is for the US, Europe and the rest of the world is a different animal and much more rules