Pharma Rep = Jehovah Witness

GorgeousGAMS

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Yep, my daughter came by to cheer me up and basically laughed and said that my job value, being a pharma rep calling on doctors and nurses is pretty much like when a Jehovah Witness shows up at your door just before dinner. He/she has interrupted your day with something they think is of value to you. You have far better things to do and already know everything they're going to say . . . and it's of no value, but nearly laughable.

Now, you combine being over fifty, a sucky primary relationship, shit for a pension/401k and a burning desire for a different life - and that's my day today. The real goodnews: I get to do it all over again tomorrow.
 
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GorgeousGAMS said:
Yep, my daughter came by to cheer me up and basically laughed and said that my job value, being a pharma rep calling on doctors and nurses is pretty much like when a Johavah Witness shows up at your door just before dinner. He/she has interrupted your day with something they think is of value to you. You have far better things to do and already know everything they're going to say . . . and it's of no value, but nearly laughable.

Now, you combine being over fifty, a sucky primary relationship, shit for a pension/401k and a burning desire for a different life - and that's my day today. The real goodnews: I get to do it all over again tomorrow.
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Look at the bright side. They don't pay JWs, they don't get company cars, you got some new body work and will be getting laid all summer long if you wanna plus - I just sent you a kitty video!

Feel mo betta?
 






Vagitarian said:
Look at the bright side. They don't pay JWs, they don't get company cars, you got some new body work and will be getting laid all summer long if you wanna plus - I just sent you a kitty video!

Feel mo betta?
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Your statement actually reminds me that money is all I cared about and now that is all I have to show for much of anything. . . most of it I pissed away on stupid shit . . the kitty video was cute but another remnder of my job. I keep climbing only to have to come right back down. Kind of symbolic of the fact that I've most likely built my house on the wrong platform. GG
 






GorgeousGAMS said:
Your statement actually reminds me that money is all I cared about and now that is all I have to show for much of anything. . . most of it I pissed away on stupid shit . . the kitty video was cute but another remnder of my job. I keep climbing only to have to come right back down. Kind of symbolic of the fact that I've most likely built my house on the wrong platform. GG
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Start today, don't buy ANYthing you can't pay for and have the max put in your 401K; Roth IRA or whatever you use, it will add up.

I've known you long enough, the company you hate keeps paying you, this too shall pass.
 






GG- why don't you get out of the business? There are plenty of other jobs/careers out there. Most dont pay as much, but at least you will have you dignity. I got out, not paid as much, but much happier.
I could not take it anymore when my much younger "manager"( I use the term loosely) came on a field ride with me and told me that I did not "close" the doctor hard enough. Like we are actually "selling" something?? I could not one more day pretend to enjoy my job.
I could not stand the doctors either. After 25+ years in pharma, I have made about 3 freinds who are doctors. I also dont respect most of their medical knowledge/practices. Some that I called on were so old, with outdated medical knowledge, they should have retired 20 years ago.
I also think Pharma is just full of greed and lies.
 












tinkrbelle said:
GG- why don't you get out of the business? There are plenty of other jobs/careers out there. Most dont pay as much, but at least you will have you dignity. I got out, not paid as much, but much happier.
I could not take it anymore when my much younger "manager"( I use the term loosely) came on a field ride with me and told me that I did not "close" the doctor hard enough. Like we are actually "selling" something?? I could not one more day pretend to enjoy my job.
I could not stand the doctors either. After 25+ years in pharma, I have made about 3 freinds who are doctors. I also dont respect most of their medical knowledge/practices. Some that I called on were so old, with outdated medical knowledge, they should have retired 20 years ago.
I also think Pharma is just full of greed and lies.
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I have been at this gig for awhile and for me it is part time work with full time pay. I put up with the BS from management as a trade off for lots of afternoons in the summer poolside with a cocktail while most of the people I know are stuck in an office cubicle somewhere. Pharma isn't perfect by far, but it 'works' for me.
 












tinkrbelle said:
GG- why don't you get out of the business? There are plenty of other jobs/careers out there. Most dont pay as much, but at least you will have you dignity. I got out, not paid as much, but much happier.
I could not take it anymore when my much younger "manager"( I use the term loosely) came on a field ride with me and told me that I did not "close" the doctor hard enough. Like we are actually "selling" something?? I could not one more day pretend to enjoy my job.
I could not stand the doctors either. After 25+ years in pharma, I have made about 3 freinds who are doctors. I also dont respect most of their medical knowledge/practices. Some that I called on were so old, with outdated medical knowledge, they should have retired 20 years ago.
I also think Pharma is just full of greed and lies.
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Agree 100%

Glad I got out of pharma. It is filled with greed and lies and the reps are as guilty as anyone
 
























Breakingnews said:
I have been at this gig for awhile and for me it is part time work with full time pay. I put up with the BS from management as a trade off for lots of afternoons in the summer poolside with a cocktail while most of the people I know are stuck in an office cubicle somewhere. Pharma isn't perfect by far, but it 'works' for me.
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Same for me. I started as a rep years back and now work in house. I love it. Great people, great pay....behind door # 2 however is the Board of Directors who are infested with greed while pleasing Wall Street and investors. It's the way of the world. I found what I love to do with 'some' people who make everyday a pleasure...and others whose sheer lack of intelligence and stupidity amazes me. I genuinely care about the good people and ignore the assholes. Life's too short.
 






Pale Horse said:
Don't tell the guy over at the Darkened Sample Closet that. Look at the MBA thread over there and there is a guy that demands to be known as a salesman.

I couldn't believe it. Hell my daddy calls me a salesman just to piss me off.
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See that is the problem with this industry- is that the reps know what the job does and does not encompass, while the asshole managers and marketing poeple make it out to be so much more. Then they ride with you in the field and just piss off all of my accounts by being overly aggressive and making egotistical assess of themselves.
Just could not stand it anymore. And dont get me started on all of the "MBAs" in Pharma. Why the hell anyone with an advanced degree would come and slum it in pharma is beyond me.
 












Breakingnews said:
I have been at this gig for awhile and for me it is part time work with full time pay. I put up with the BS from management as a trade off for lots of afternoons in the summer poolside with a cocktail while most of the people I know are stuck in an office cubicle somewhere. Pharma isn't perfect by far, but it 'works' for me.
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Yes, it is a great part-time, 10-2, Tues and Thurs job that pays much more than any of us deserve. It was great for the first 13 years, but after that it got to be a big BS, check the box, lie, ass-kissing gig that I despised.
After a while the snot nose very young, and green managers walking through the door like they are gods gifts, and making passes at all the young women reps was getting revolting.
 
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Tinkerbelle....I understand about the asshole managers...I have had few but nonetheless...one too many.

I swore I would never be like that and always kept it 'real'. I was known for setting high expectations but helping people feel like they could meet them. It was all about giving back at my age. I can't stand the selfish, robotic, check the box morons that exist. Culture of a company starts with each of us.

What I find disturbing today is the e-detailing that I see reps have to do. Docs HATE those tablets. No unreal, so lacking in true salesmanship. It's all about checking the box and tracking. I'm still in pharma but I took another route away from this nonsense.
 
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tinkrbelle said:
See that is the problem with this industry- is that the reps know what the job does and does not encompass, while the asshole managers and marketing poeple make it out to be so much more. Then they ride with you in the field and just piss off all of my accounts by being overly aggressive and making egotistical assess of themselves.
Just could not stand it anymore. And dont get me started on all of the "MBAs" in Pharma. Why the hell anyone with an advanced degree would come and slum it in pharma is beyond me.
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I have older clients that were in the industry and it seems that they all were pharmacists before they came in. When did that change?

I understand about the MBA managers. I've seen them. All that extra education can't replace walkin' around sense. All of America has witnessed that.
 






Pale Horse said:
I have older clients that were in the industry and it seems that they all were pharmacists before they came in. When did that change?

I understand about the MBA managers. I've seen them. All that extra education can't replace walkin' around sense. All of America has witnessed that.
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Back in the early 70's, Lilly sales force was over 90% pharmacists. Began to change to marketing in the mid to late 80's. Downhill from there.
 






Scarlett said:
Tinkerbelle....I understand about the asshole managers...I have had few but nonetheless...one too many.

I swore I would never be like that and always kept it 'real'. I was known for setting high expectations but helping people feel like they could meet them. It was all about giving back at my age. I can't stand the selfish, robotic, check the box morons that exist. Culture of a company starts with each of us.

What I find disturbing today is the e-detailing that I see reps have to do. Docs HATE those tablets. No unreal, so lacking in true salesmanship. It's all about checking the box and tracking. I'm still in pharma but I took another route away from this nonsense.
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I was in a waiting room a few weeks back, and out came a male and female rep...together. They sat down near me and we started up a conversation. I was wondering why they were sitting down after the call, and then they told me that they were actually "e-detailing" and running through their presentation screens. I almost vomited. I swear, if my company starts that shit, I start job hunting. I BS a lot of things, but I won't be bothered with that garbage. They can fire me before I pretend I am detailing while sitting in a waiting room. To me, that will be the ultimate in lowering myself for pharma, and I can already crawl under a pregnant snake's belly.
 






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