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Perhaps this is where karma bites B.S.—aka “the Sherminator”—the a**!


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Great post. All spot on.

Will be interesting to see how badly the Midwest Region will be targeted and hit hard w/ cuts. Hey there B. Sherman, are you shaking in your boots a bit right now? You stand a big chance of going down for sure. Being dead last out of 13 regions nationally and doing us no favors here. Midwest ABLs, hello unemployment line to many of you too who have managed your reps by intimidation all year. I predict this layoff will be a total bloodshed with only four regions at or above goal.

Goodbye NOVARTIS, goodbye RAPID, and goodbye ENTRESTO!!![/QUOTE]
 




Your post is so true.

I'm a PDI rep too and when I read some of the ridiculous posts from the esteemed NVS reps it always makes me chuckle. The thing is PDI signed up to get laid off at some point and let's all face it, if this is the end of this contract this has gone on far longer than any of us wanted it to because the way we were treated and Entresto hasn't moved an inch in 5 years so we have all hung on despite the adversity much longer than anticipated.

But let's face it, one of the main reason none of this worked out was because of the attitude and toxicity of the NVS personal. NVS from day one has placed road blocks after road block between us and them. Never taking accountability in their own drug and always placing blame on PDI. I've never witnessed such inaccountability in all my life over a 4 year period. It's not PDI's drug NVS and we are still getting paid and even though we have made the calls, did the lunches and the dinner programs some how even after 4 years and literally being TRAINED by YOUR COMPANY 4 years ago you all still seem to think that you are still the cats meow. We were effectively TRAINED by YOUR SALES TRAINING DEPARTMENT the same one YOU were trained by but yet somehow you believe you are different. This alone makes me chuckle monthly but I'll gladly keep cashing your checks. Thank you for your stupidity number 1.

Next, literally after we were out of training your ABLS were told to give us a harder time. Again literally trained by your company and your ABLs, instead of focusing on selling Entresto focused on re-training or chasing around PDI reps. ineffectively using new excited trained head count but instead decided to undo everything your Sales Training department spent 3 weeks on. Bravo! on stupidity 2.

In addition to the above, the brilliant ABLs gave direction to their NVS Reps to "Not be affraid to Coach" the PDI reps because they felt they lacked. Now if this dosen't create a toxic and divided team I don't know what does. How do you accomplish team work when you literally have ABLs dividing the cohesiveness of the team? And remember again, NVS SALES TRAINING trained everyone the same and now you have ABL verbalizing to their own team to play adversary. Brilliant! on stupidity 3.

Yes I have more.

NVS Management and Reps have spent so much time on the above activities they forgot why they were in the field. They forgot to talk about their own DRUG!!! 5 years, and NO FOCUS just a lot confrence calls, coaching and running in circles. Your people are literally seeing the same people we are, they DO NOT have any better access. Access is terrible for everyone so when you say you are seeing MD X, and I know they are a no see...I KNOW YOU ARE LYING but I don't give a Sh$$ because a check will soon show up and I will cash it, entresto is not my drug, I don't care and at some point I signed up to get laid off. Besides our Reg Coordinators are worthless if we try to talk to them about NVS, they will throw us under the bus in one second flat and have no loyalty so you guys can keep playing that you are seeing all these NO SEEs becasue we all know you are not. I will continue to cash your checks until I'm told the gig is over, remember I signed up to get laid off and this job has out lasted any of our expected expectations so thank you for the Benefits, the Checks and chuckles of your character and how you run your lives and business. It's much lacking in business acumen.

So now you are all running around all scared about the conference call, seriously? let me get this straight. 5 years w/ limited sales and constant adversaral behaviors but now you are all mad about your holidays getting ruined. Guys you have been on a 5 YEAR PARTY!!! You have all wasted your companies time and money for literally 5 YEARS and now you again want to place the blame on Upper Management. Please, quit embarassing yourselves even more and blame yourselves, the ABLs and poor Regionals for their below average business acumen. Entresto should go down as a Harvard Case Study as how NOT to launch a product.

Finally to the PDI folks. When these idiots can't get a job w/ a manufacture over the next 4-6 months don't even answer the phone when they call we all know the quality of their character and let's face it, it's not very gracious or eloquent at all.

Thank you for the 4 years of checks, benefits and chuckles there will only be smiles when some of you get laid off and/or this contract ends.


Chuckles away there PDI COMRADE. Your post was absolutely worth FIVE CHUCKLES and it was also worth a great BIG SHIT. LMAO, it is interesting to see the division created here amongst the two sales forces. People do get testy on here as the threads get more advanced after so many were in denial for the past four months. Just amazes me how the writing can clearly be on the wall that the end is near and yet so many KOOL-AID drinkers come on here still painting the daunting blue sky picture like nothing will happen here in 2018 to any of us. The line was drawn in the sand months ago and if any of you thought those October regional rallies were uplifting and taking Entresto to the next level, you were all living a pipe dream. That huge nationwide wasted corporate expense exercise was the last ditch effort to see if the NVS and PDI slaves could possibly pull shit out of our asses to physicians selling them all on new glossy sales aid twisting the same ol' product BS a new way and get them to finally Rx this dog drug. Darling Kristin and Uncle Mike were banking on a boost in the final Q3 sales results to make the shareholders creaming in their shorts and guess what, to no avail everything has remained status quo. LOL!

NOW the Darling Kristin and Uncle Mike Show isn't looking so pretty and they have to keep our money controllers happy along w/ the NY Stock results moving into 2019. 'What better way then to quickly reduce overhead by reducing the head count here next week or very soon thereafter. And yes most of you drill sargent ABLs are gonna get what has been long coming to you. So many of you are worthless as FUCK and a total nuisance in the field as we play this FIELD RIDE GAME. WTF!!! My ABL is worthless as shit and other people in the district play the two-faced game making her think she's all that and a bag of chips, then call and text me blowing off steam. REP FENCE RIDERS just crack me up here. Everyone is out for their own ass and I just have to laugh and think to myself how fake most of you really are both NVS and PDI.

And of course more crazy fucks will come on here posting how they still believe Entresto has it's brighter days ahead and all hail to PIONEER. Keep drinking the NVS Kool-Aid because your gonna get a good dose of reality when that TOWN HALL CALL finally paints the real picture and it won't be blue sky either folks. If any of you have procrastinated after the 7/18/18 layoff not actively looking for your next career, SHAME ON YOU. That was our WARN ACT warning another NVS spanking was right around the corner here before you finish buying your spouse, significant other, and / or kids' Christmas gifts. I have more than chuckled reading the fucking clown posts on here proclaiming NVS wouldn't do a layoff this late in the year before the holidays. Grab your ankles there mighty soldiers, because your gonna get a good balls deep ass fucking come this next week. And I predict it will be a massive bloodbath. Now to you big babies still in denial, come at me and challenge what I have posted. This is reality, now get your BIG BOY - GIRL PANTS on and grow up. Many here will be jobless very soon. Glad I haven't been one of the procrastinators!
 




Chuckles away there PDI COMRADE. Your post was absolutely worth FIVE CHUCKLES and it was also worth a great BIG SHIT. LMAO, it is interesting to see the division created here amongst the two sales forces. People do get testy on here as the threads get more advanced after so many were in denial for the past four months. Just amazes me how the writing can clearly be on the wall that the end is near and yet so many KOOL-AID drinkers come on here still painting the daunting blue sky picture like nothing will happen here in 2018 to any of us. The line was drawn in the sand months ago and if any of you thought those October regional rallies were uplifting and taking Entresto to the next level, you were all living a pipe dream. That huge nationwide wasted corporate expense exercise was the last ditch effort to see if the NVS and PDI slaves could possibly pull shit out of our asses to physicians selling them all on new glossy sales aid twisting the same ol' product BS a new way and get them to finally Rx this dog drug. Darling Kristin and Uncle Mike were banking on a boost in the final Q3 sales results to make the shareholders creaming in their shorts and guess what, to no avail everything has remained status quo. LOL!

NOW the Darling Kristin and Uncle Mike Show isn't looking so pretty and they have to keep our money controllers happy along w/ the NY Stock results moving into 2019. 'What better way then to quickly reduce overhead by reducing the head count here next week or very soon thereafter. And yes most of you drill sargent ABLs are gonna get what has been long coming to you. So many of you are worthless as FUCK and a total nuisance in the field as we play this FIELD RIDE GAME. WTF!!! My ABL is worthless as shit and other people in the district play the two-faced game making her think she's all that and a bag of chips, then call and text me blowing off steam. REP FENCE RIDERS just crack me up here. Everyone is out for their own ass and I just have to laugh and think to myself how fake most of you really are both NVS and PDI.

And of course more crazy fucks will come on here posting how they still believe Entresto has it's brighter days ahead and all hail to PIONEER. Keep drinking the NVS Kool-Aid because your gonna get a good dose of reality when that TOWN HALL CALL finally paints the real picture and it won't be blue sky either folks. If any of you have procrastinated after the 7/18/18 layoff not actively looking for your next career, SHAME ON YOU. That was our WARN ACT warning another NVS spanking was right around the corner here before you finish buying your spouse, significant other, and / or kids' Christmas gifts. I have more than chuckled reading the fucking clown posts on here proclaiming NVS wouldn't do a layoff this late in the year before the holidays. Grab your ankles there mighty soldiers, because your gonna get a good balls deep ass fucking come this next week. And I predict it will be a massive bloodbath. Now to you big babies still in denial, come at me and challenge what I have posted. This is reality, now get your BIG BOY - GIRL PANTS on and grow up. Many here will be jobless very soon. Glad I haven't been one of the procrastinators!
You are just a flat-out horrible miserable person. Why don't you try a little God in your life I think they should take down this post because it's offencive no matter if people are getting cut or not, it's just cruel and filthy, probably like you. I would bet you are the kind of person that people only want be around when they're spending money on them, your salary defines your life. Positivr thoughts for all on the CV team whether your PDI or a direct hire I hope Wednesday's call turns out to be something positive, we represent a wonderful product it just got off to a really Rocky start and now we're feeling the Rippling effect. Please remember if we get negative news when God closes one door he opens another.
 




You are just a flat-out horrible miserable person. Why don't you try a little God in your life I think they should take down this post because it's offencive no matter if people are getting cut or not, it's just cruel and filthy, probably like you. I would bet you are the kind of person that people only want be around when they're spending money on them, your salary defines your life. Positive thoughts for all on the CV team whether your PDI or a direct hire I hope Wednesday's call turns out to be something positive, we represent a wonderful product it just got off to a really Rocky start and now we're feeling the Rippling effect. Please remember if we get negative news when God closes one door he opens another.


So now we are going to be told to get "god" by the Novartians..... (insert chuckle)

These guys are seriously delusional. The above posters literally and easily highlighted how PDI was treated and how NVS was unaccountable for 5 years straight years and literally did the opposite of "gods" number 1 rule but now they want others to get god now.

Rule Numero Uno..... "Golden Rule" literally states "treat others how you want to be treated". and for 5 years not only did that not happen but NVS intentionally did the opposite!

When do you people get embarrassed?

You guys do know the history of your company going back to WW2 correct? You do know that your company then Sandoz worked w/ the Nazis and did chemical testing on people, correct? Seems you all after almost 80 years still have a chromosome short and think that the way you act is acceptable and will not be called out.

My guess is you will all go to church this Sunday and hold hands w/ your families and pray and tell your "god" how good you have all been a spare you when lay-offs come....how hypocritical of you all. I'm sure the Nazis did the same thing in the end too.
 








So now we are going to be told to get "god" by the Novartians..... (insert chuckle)

These guys are seriously delusional. The above posters literally and easily highlighted how PDI was treated and how NVS was unaccountable for 5 years straight years and literally did the opposite of "gods" number 1 rule but now they want others to get god now.

Rule Numero Uno..... "Golden Rule" literally states "treat others how you want to be treated". and for 5 years not only did that not happen but NVS intentionally did the opposite!

When do you people get embarrassed?

You guys do know the history of your company going back to WW2 correct? You do know that your company then Sandoz worked w/ the Nazis and did chemical testing on people, correct? Seems you all after almost 80 years still have a chromosome short and think that the way you act is acceptable and will not be called out.

My guess is you will all go to church this Sunday and hold hands w/ your families and pray and tell your "god" how good you have all been a spare you when lay-offs come....how hypocritical of you all. I'm sure the Nazis did the same thing in the end too.

The caravan is coming to the border OMG! There’s no room at the inn for you! They teach that too on Sundays?
 








So now we are going to be told to get "god" by the Novartians..... (insert chuckle)

These guys are seriously delusional. The above posters literally and easily highlighted how PDI was treated and how NVS was unaccountable for 5 years straight years and literally did the opposite of "gods" number 1 rule but now they want others to get god now.

Rule Numero Uno..... "Golden Rule" literally states "treat others how you want to be treated". and for 5 years not only did that not happen but NVS intentionally did the opposite!

When do you people get embarrassed?

You guys do know the history of your company going back to WW2 correct? You do know that your company then Sandoz worked w/ the Nazis and did chemical testing on people, correct? Seems you all after almost 80 years still have a chromosome short and think that the way you act is acceptable and will not be called out.

My guess is you will all go to church this Sunday and hold hands w/ your families and pray and tell your "god" how good you have all been a spare you when lay-offs come....how hypocritical of you all. I'm sure the Nazis did the same thing in the end too.


This is a Kool-Aid freak. Probably an ABL shakingninnuour boots about now. Keep your religious sermon fornthe next co you end up at down the road.
 




So now we are going to be told to get "god" by the Novartians..... (insert chuckle)

These guys are seriously delusional. The above posters literally and easily highlighted how PDI was treated and how NVS was unaccountable for 5 years straight years and literally did the opposite of "gods" number 1 rule but now they want others to get god now.

Rule Numero Uno..... "Golden Rule" literally states "treat others how you want to be treated". and for 5 years not only did that not happen but NVS intentionally did the opposite!

When do you people get embarrassed?

You guys do know the history of your company going back to WW2 correct? You do know that your company then Sandoz worked w/ the Nazis and did chemical testing on people, correct? Seems you all after almost 80 years still have a chromosome short and think that the way you act is acceptable and will not be called out.

My guess is you will all go to church this Sunday and hold hands w/ your families and pray and tell your "god" how good you have all been a spare you when lay-offs come....how hypocritical of you all. I'm sure the Nazis did the same thing in the end too.

The above poster sounds like a Jesus freak. Who in the hell cares what this co did during the WW2? We are living in the present and besides Obamacare took everything this country had gained via our forefathers and tarnished it forever especially as it related to health care and the pharma industry. Bringing religion into this crappy co right before a potential blood shedding layoff is totally childish at best. Whether Novartis or PDI, we are all at risk here in this shitty division. Get your big boy pants on and strap up your boots there Nazi dreamer, and get aggressively looking for your next career gig before your sitting at home in your boxer briefs soon wishing you had not been such a douche bag talking about history from 70+ years ago. Grow up and get with it.
 




The above poster sounds like a Jesus freak. Who in the hell cares what this co did during the WW2? We are living in the present and besides Obamacare took everything this country had gained via our forefathers and tarnished it forever especially as it related to health care and the pharma industry. Bringing religion into this crappy co right before a potential blood shedding layoff is totally childish at best. Whether Novartis or PDI, we are all at risk here in this shitty division. Get your big boy pants on and strap up your boots there Nazi dreamer, and get aggressively looking for your next career gig before your sitting at home in your boxer briefs soon wishing you had not been such a douche bag talking about history from 70+ years ago. Grow up and get with it.

You sound real educated like the rest of your NVS sympathizers. Multiple thoughts going in all different directions.
 
















The above poster sounds like a Jesus freak. Who in the hell cares what this co did during the WW2? We are living in the present and besides Obamacare took everything this country had gained via our forefathers and tarnished it forever especially as it related to health care and the pharma industry. Bringing religion into this crappy co right before a potential blood shedding layoff is totally childish at best. Whether Novartis or PDI, we are all at risk here in this shitty division. Get your big boy pants on and strap up your boots there Nazi dreamer, and get aggressively looking for your next career gig before your sitting at home in your boxer briefs soon wishing you had not been such a douche bag talking about history from 70+ years ago. Grow up and get with it.

Oh to be a priviliged good ole boy...I can think of a few people who care.
 
















More educated responses using a phrase that's used in middle school, just another reason why this division needs to be liquidated. Can we at minimum use grown up expressions if you are going to retaliate?


Too funny! Just came on CP first time in a long time after having another NVS rep saying to go on here for some laughs and a good dose of reality on the posts here that are spot on.

But this post directly above is funny as hell. The poster apparently lost sight over the past 10 years that this chat site lost any desire to be respectable w/ the way this industry has treated reps. It’s an anonymous venting tool here and anyone thinking differently is naive and unrealistic. Exactly the main reason I rarely come on here. Although many posters here are probably predicting what will either unfold here on today’s CV Town Hall, or will happen in the near future.

To the poster above and to everyone else, if your coming on this site to see what’s the latest SOAP OPERA drama, then deal w/ it or get off the site and go on your merry way. “IF YOU CAN’T TAKE THE HEAT, THEN GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN.”
 




More educated responses using a phrase that's used in middle school, just another reason why this division needs to be liquidated. Can we at minimum use grown up expressions if you are going to retaliate?


Looks like another typical ABL on here offering nothing more than looking to make other people’s lives more miserable.
 




Of course they are doing headcount reduction. Why else are there so many CV openings that arent even being posted? Open rep territories and at least one RD position and nothing but crickets from HR.
IDK the extent of the reduction and it could be a reassignment to another division, but I do know we are in for changes.