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I have been in both industries, and must say I would rather work in a good pharma gig than device simply b/c of the QOL. I travel extensively(10-15 nights a month), put up with a ton of shit, and everything is quota driven. You can have 3 solid years(top 10%), and have one bad year and you are the verge of receiving a PIP. with that said, I haven't made shit this year b/c of the big quotas I am going against last year. The most I have made in device was around 190K averaging around 150K each year. On the other hand in pharma, you do not have to put up with any that shit. you go out make calls, do lunches, and go home. If I would of stayed in pharma, I would be averaging around 130K a year working around 25-30 hours a week vs. 60+ a week in device. And that is not putting into consideration obtaining a hospital, dm, or managed care position. You have to put with shit in both industries, but If I had to pick my battles, I would pick the 10-2 job any day over device.
 



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Ex-pharma fag, why so hostile towards your old friends. I can understand your frustrations with delivering Starbucks, but if you used it to get in the door and then dropped off samples with no drug talk that is your fuck in lazy-ass fault not the industry. Shitty sales reps are everywhere, just because you make more $$ does not mean you are a good salesman.
PS--Starbucks is so old school. Maybe that is where you hung out, but the happening place now is McDonald's. The coffee is better and I can get a punch card for a free breakfast burrito after 10 purchases. Oh and most device reps don't make north of 200k. Maybe north of 100k
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Ex pharma rep that now works in device, and make around 150K avg. Some years I will make 180K, some years barely make 100K(remember it is all about the quota in device). I would prefer the consistency of pharma making around 120-130K a year. Pharma is a better gig than device simply put.
 



I switched from pharma to device (couldn't be happier, by the way), and I gotta say, I must have been working for the wrong pharma companies. With good experience and good sales, I never made more than 85-90 K, with solid companies (J and J, etc.). Now, even with the fairly low-paying device company I'm currently with, I'll make close to 100K with a pretty good QOL.
 









now that Mentor is approved for silicone implants are there any plans to expand the sales force? If so, what are the hiring criteria for a potential interview?

Thanks so much!
 


















no pharma rep makes 90k base. unless u have 50 years experience..lets be honest here that person who claim they canmake total comp 130k as a pharma rep is just pulling everyones pud...pharma is a great job for a mom so she can fill up her 401k and make decent money workin 10-2, while picking and dropping off the kids... while her husband makes the real bacon...or vice versa a father can do the pharma gig while the wife makes the bacon in a real job.

i have worked both pharma and med device...i believe both are great careers as opposed to the 1000's of other crappy jobs out there. if you are driven and want to make great money medical device is a great place to do that. yes there is more pressure,risk and responsibility, which you are compensated for in devices...pharma is a slacker job which is why compensation is much lower than device on average...

yes there are not so good device jobs out there, meaning u may not crack 100k. however most device jobs do not require more than 40 hours of work in a week and most do average 130-160k. pharma is a 15 hour to 20 hour a week job. for me i would prefer device because i want to be able to retire and have money in the bank. as well, device can be more fulfilling due to the better relationships that you build with the doctor versus being a pharma rep. unless u get 100% of business pushing pills u cannot tell me that relationship mean anything. in devices, as a rep you are there to make the docs job easier and in the same breathe make him $$$..so that right there to me, it separates your relationship between that of a device rep and a pharma rep.

everyone has the freedom to choose which path they want to take..for me i want to make more money for not that much more work.only 10% of device jobs require wearing a beeper and extensive hours on call, these are pacer jobs, and trauma positions..the rest are 30hrs-50 hrs a week tops...if any one tells you differently they are full of it...they real difference between device and pharma is if you want to take full accountability for your performance..if in fact you can sell and be a truly good rep on a consistent basis devices is a great place to be. but if you dont like pressure and dont mind less money stay in pharma...its a choice...this website sucks because no one ever tells it straight...
 



Anonymous said:
You're shittin me?!?!? Please fill me in on which pharma company pays that well...I would love to sign up for that!
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GSK - but they suck anyway - reps live in fear of ethics committee
My base is 80K but I have been there for only 3.5yrs. Came on at 58. Took promotion and then switched back to primary care b/c the bonus is easier to blow out than tsr/mcr. My last yrs bonus was 52K...no lie all formulary driven ... but I'll take it anyday. Have made over 100K since beginning. They adjust there goals down so you pretty much always make some sort of bonus. Benefits and vacation are sweet too but I am leaving b/c I still hate it even with the above.You do not sell - you Swell egos
 






My cousin works for ortho and has been there for 9 years. Still works just as a primary care rep and makes a base of $93 and averages 25-40k in bonus depending on the year, and works half as much as I do in device sales.
 






Thank You. This was so helpful. I'm pharma sales, ex-RN, would love to get into med sales and looking. This has been the most informative post. I appreciate it.
It's refreshing to read something factual and an attempt at objectivity vs the moaning and groaning.


Anonymous said:
no pharma rep makes 90k base. unless u have 50 years experience..lets be honest here that person who claim they canmake total comp 130k as a pharma rep is just pulling everyones pud...pharma is a great job for a mom so she can fill up her 401k and make decent money workin 10-2, while picking and dropping off the kids... while her husband makes the real bacon...or vice versa a father can do the pharma gig while the wife makes the bacon in a real job.

i have worked both pharma and med device...i believe both are great careers as opposed to the 1000's of other crappy jobs out there. if you are driven and want to make great money medical device is a great place to do that. yes there is more pressure,risk and responsibility, which you are compensated for in devices...pharma is a slacker job which is why compensation is much lower than device on average...

yes there are not so good device jobs out there, meaning u may not crack 100k. however most device jobs do not require more than 40 hours of work in a week and most do average 130-160k. pharma is a 15 hour to 20 hour a week job. for me i would prefer device because i want to be able to retire and have money in the bank. as well, device can be more fulfilling due to the better relationships that you build with the doctor versus being a pharma rep. unless u get 100% of business pushing pills u cannot tell me that relationship mean anything. in devices, as a rep you are there to make the docs job easier and in the same breathe make him $$$..so that right there to me, it separates your relationship between that of a device rep and a pharma rep.

everyone has the freedom to choose which path they want to take..for me i want to make more money for not that much more work.only 10% of device jobs require wearing a beeper and extensive hours on call, these are pacer jobs, and trauma positions..the rest are 30hrs-50 hrs a week tops...if any one tells you differently they are full of it...they real difference between device and pharma is if you want to take full accountability for your performance..if in fact you can sell and be a truly good rep on a consistent basis devices is a great place to be. but if you dont like pressure and dont mind less money stay in pharma...its a choice...this website sucks because no one ever tells it straight...
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I'm an ex pharma rep in the Allentown, PA area looking for a new gig where I can get back to partying with Doctors, getting them hammered and collecting sperm samples from them. Any ideas?
 



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