Novartis 'alleged' Bribing of doctors , the legal filings





Welcome to the jungle we've got fun and games
We got everything you want honey, we know the names
We are the people that can find whatever you may need
If you got the money honey we got your disease

In the jungle, welcome to the jungle
Watch it bring you to your knnn knne knees, knees
I want to watch you bleed

Welcome to the jungle we take it day by day
If you want it you're gonna bleed but it's the price to pay
And you're a very sexy girl that's very hard to please
You can taste the bright lights but you won't get there for free
In the jungle welcome to the jungle
Feel my, my, my serpentine
Ooh, I want to hear you scream

Welcome to the jungle it gets worse here every day
Ya learn to live like an animal in the jungle where we play
If you hunger for what you see you'll take it eventually
You can have everything you want but you better not take it from me

In the jungle, welcome to the jungle
Watch it bring you to your knnn knne knees, knees
I'm gonna watch you bleed

And when you're high you never ever want to come down
So down, so down, so down, yeah

You know where you are?
You're in the jungle baby, you're gonna dieee
In the jungle welcome to the jungle
Watch it bring you to your knees, knees
In the jungle welcome to the jungle
Feel my, my, my serpentine
In the jungle welcome to the jungle
Watch it bring you to your knees, knees
In the jungle welcome to the jungle
Watch it bring you to you
Its gonna bring you down, ha!!
 




WOW eye opening especially from point 70 on
http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pre...is2LawsuitPR/U.S, v. Novartis 2 Complaint.pdf
for those that can actually read post what you find most egregious on the filings

Does anyone understand the process if you want to make a compliant against Novartis to the OIG. Do you report it at the state level or the federal level? Does it need to reported in NJ since HQ is there. I read point 70 on and I have alleged information that can match or exceed those allegations.
 




Sept 2010
"As part of the settlement, Novartis also signed a five-year corporate integrity agreement with the Department of Health and Human Services, which requires the company to monitor its sales practices and report any irregularities."

According to the legal filings there were many 'alleged' irregularities post sept 2010 which ones did Novartis report ?
Is there a # less than zero ? since it reported the offenders were either given a slap on the wrist or promoted
 




I, for one am delighted that Novartis is getting hammered for this as well they should. It was disgusting to be an employee of this company and be forced to participate in this fraud. There were many times when any reasonable objection to wasting money, and participating in ongoing fraudulent activity was met with silence and retribution up to and including termination.

The Northeast - Boston - was rife with these kinds of make believe programs and the same four nurses showing up for their weekly night out or reps taking doctors out for dinner, calling it a program and then paying the doctor 2k. You know who you are and now so does the law - if you haven't been looking for a new job you may want start now -
 
















I, for one am delighted that Novartis is getting hammered for this as well they should. It was disgusting to be an employee of this company and be forced to participate in this fraud. There were many times when any reasonable objection to wasting money, and participating in ongoing fraudulent activity was met with silence and retribution up to and including termination.

The Northeast - Boston - was rife with these kinds of make believe programs and the same four nurses showing up for their weekly night out or reps taking doctors out for dinner, calling it a program and then paying the doctor 2k. You know who you are and now so does the law - if you haven't been looking for a new job you may want start now -

Do you really think any other territory was that different? Diovan was out 10 years and we were still doing programs. What do you think we were actually teaching? It was all bullshit so we could pay off the HCP's one way or another.

If you want to be honest the only time programs should be allowed, is maybe during launch or first few years, if there is a new ground breaking trial ect. Thats it other than that we are just paying people off. You know it, I kniw it and so do The Dr.'s, which is why it was is so hard to get Dr.'s out. They know it is a waste of time and money,.
 




Do you really think any other territory was that different? Diovan was out 10 years and we were still doing programs. What do you think we were actually teaching? It was all bullshit so we could pay off the HCP's one way or another.

If you want to be honest the only time programs should be allowed, is maybe during launch or first few years, if there is a new ground breaking trial ect. Thats it other than that we are just paying people off. You know it, I kniw it and so do The Dr.'s, which is why it was is so hard to get Dr.'s out. They know it is a waste of time and money,.


So MD's don't listen's to your dribble in the office, so bring in a speaker to dribble the same P.I. shit? Don't you love the fact NVS hires a 3rd party companies to set up programs - so they can manage the funding of attendees? How else are you going to get them there?
 




Remember the Lotrel LOGIC trial. Now that was a pay-off thinly disguised as a clinical trial. Even more brazen were "clinical learning days" where not only the speaker was paid but the attendees were paid - just for showing up. Of course, all other companies were doing the same unethical crap in the late 90's and early 2000's. We stole most of these ideas from Merck.
 




The government was used to collecting millions $$ from offf label marketing, but the courts stopped that last year, so now they are backtracking to create new "findings" ( most are 5+ years ago) to get their $$$$.

They build their case in the press of public opinion, painting pharma as ripping off patients and bloated pay of CEO's, etc. which gains public opinion and leads to tainted publicity so a court case will sway the votes of a jury for big $$$.....it's all about the money (on both sides). Gotta keep those government lawyers busy in collections to fund the multi $trillion Obamacare projects.
 




The government was used to collecting millions $$ from offf label marketing, but the courts stopped that last year, so now they are backtracking to create new "findings" ( most are 5+ years ago) to get their $$$$.

They build their case in the press of public opinion, painting pharma as ripping off patients and bloated pay of CEO's, etc. which gains public opinion and leads to tainted publicity so a court case will sway the votes of a jury for big $$$.....it's all about the money (on both sides). Gotta keep those government lawyers busy in collections to fund the multi $trillion Obamacare projects.

U asshole, are telling us we should just look the other way and let these MFers do their shit in the name of excessive profit,CEO loot etc etc. You must be one of them who does get a piece of action. Maybe not as large as Vasella's and those immediately around him, but you do get more than you deserve. And that is OK so the rest of us, including govt public and anyone else, shoud just STFU and let you loot the system.
As far as money involved for getting the crooks, one way or the other, that is just good and proper incentive for those who care and want to do the right thing.
Remember, the bastards running this loot-as-much-as-you-can show, ain't your friends so if you have goods on them, throw the book, do the right thing and make some well deserved money in the process.
 












The government was used to collecting millions $$ from offf label marketing, but the courts stopped that last year, so now they are backtracking to create new "findings" ( most are 5+ years ago) to get their $$$$.

They build their case in the press of public opinion, painting pharma as ripping off patients and bloated pay of CEO's, etc. which gains public opinion and leads to tainted publicity so a court case will sway the votes of a jury for big $$$.....it's all about the money (on both sides). Gotta keep those government lawyers busy in collections to fund the multi $trillion Obamacare projects.

it is true that for both sides it is about the money. The govt lawyers are paid with tax payers money but so are pharma's. And while we are at it, so are you. We are all paid for with Govt money. Phrama is a pure paid prostitute for the Govt. So when we are caught cheating the John, we are beaten.

Management, and their lawyers, are the Pimps.
 




Remember the Lotrel LOGIC trial. Now that was a pay-off thinly disguised as a clinical trial. Even more brazen were "clinical learning days" where not only the speaker was paid but the attendees were paid - just for showing up. Of course, all other companies were doing the same unethical crap in the late 90's and early 2000's. We stole most of these ideas from Merck.

LOGIC , what a fucking J O K E
the only thing missing was $ sign bags stuffed with benjamins
 




Well, I am an ex-Novartian, I retired in 2008. Seems I got out before the shit hit the fan. How many multimillion dollar settlements will it take before someone gets the message? They ought to fire the whole bunch at the top and start over again. Maybe if some of them were held personally liable, like jail time or seizing personal assets, would anyone start acting differently.
 




Well, I am an ex-Novartian, I retired in 2008. Seems I got out before the shit hit the fan. How many multimillion dollar settlements will it take before someone gets the message? They ought to fire the whole bunch at the top and start over again. Maybe if some of them were held personally liable, like jail time or seizing personal assets, would anyone start acting differently.

Now that the top/main instigator of all this crime Vasella is out (and being investigated already by both Swiss and USA authority) the others should follow soon. Then maybe, just maybe the new way (as Novartis means) of doing biz will emerge. But what can happen, that the new way may in fact be worse than the old. For those who remember how all the exposed misconducts were handled, remember that they covered those up, fired the whistleblowers (in any), kept and often promoted the instigators/protagonists and then came up with new and improved ways to loot the public and everyone else.
We need a revolution in biz and elsewhere.
 




Now that the top/main instigator of all this crime Vasella is out (and being investigated already by both Swiss and USA authority) the others should follow soon. Then maybe, just maybe the new way (as Novartis means) of doing biz will emerge. But what can happen, that the new way may in fact be worse than the old. For those who remember how all the exposed misconducts were handled, remember that they covered those up, fired the whistleblowers (in any), kept and often promoted the instigators/protagonists and then came up with new and improved ways to loot the public and everyone else.
We need a revolution in biz and elsewhere.

“Kickback schemes like those alleged in this case not only call into question the integrity of individual medical decisions, but they also raise the cost of health care for all of us,” Stuart F. Delery, Acting Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Division, said in a press release. “Patients deserve care based on a doctor’s sound medical judgment, not the doctor’s personal financial interest.

“The Department of Justice will continue to pursue companies that use improper incentives, like those alleged here, to promote their products.”

“As alleged, Novartis corrupted the prescription drug dispensing process with multi-million dollar ‘incentive programs’ that targeted doctors who, in exchange for illegal kickbacks, steered patients toward its drugs,” U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York Preet Bharara said in the release. “And for its investment, Novartis reaped dramatically increased profits on these drugs, and Medicare, Medicaid, and other federal healthcare programs were left holding the bag, doling out millions of dollars in kickback-tainted claims.

“Healthcare fraud imposes tremendous costs and causes great harm to an already burdened healthcare system, and the government will not tolerate it. The widespread kickback fraud alleged in our two lawsuits against Novartis — which only a few years ago settled a False Claims Act case involving violations of the Anti-Kickback Statute based on illegal payments to doctors — makes us question whether Novartis is getting the message.”

In the complaint, filed in the Southern District of New York, the DOJ claims Novartis “systematically violated the Anti-Kickback Statute,” which prohibits the payment of remuneration to induce referrals of items or services covered by Medicare, Medicaid, and other federally-funded programs.

It claims Novartis violated its own internal policies concerning speaker programs, which require that the programs have an educational purpose and that slides about the company’s drugs be presented. Novartis violated the Anti-Kickback Statute by paying doctors to speak about certain drugs, including its hypertension drugs Lotrel and Valturna and its diabetes drug Starlix, at events that were often little or nothing more than social occasions for the doctors. The payments and lavish dinners given to the doctors were, in reality, kickbacks to the speakers and attendees to induce them to write prescriptions for Novartis drugs.

The DOJ says that, in many instances, Novartis made payments to doctors for purported speaker programs that either did not occur at all or that had few or no attendees, and thousands of programs were held all over the country at which few or no slides were shown and the doctors who participated spent little or no time discussing the drug at issue.

As a result of its actions, Novartis caused the submission of numerous false claims for drugs to federal health care programs, including Medicare, Medicaid, TRICARE and the Department of Veterans Affairs health care program, resulting in millions of dollars in reimbursements, according to the DOJ.