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Anonymous said:
That is hilarious. You must be new to pharma. The manager and RD did not even blink an eye or request to look at any brag "book" as that practice is lame and anyone could put together a trumpeted up fake book of numbers. A big red flag to any candidate is the "viewing" of the brag book by the DM, this is horse shit and any competent savvy hiring manager does not give a rats arse about a kids brag book. We had an adult business conversation about bottom line dollars and relationship, not once did a brag book even enter the equation. I was offered the job before my flight boarded, have not accepted yet, but probably will if my basket of jobs disappears. You people with your FCR's and brag books are ridiculous. A bunch of kids wearing Mommy's clothes and make up. PUKE!
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Great post! Good to see on here that others do not play the brag book game either. It is total BS and in my 12 years in this industry at very successful players, not once did I ever show a "bragger" @ an interview and for the few times that it did come up, it was with the with organizations where insecurity and inexperience were the MO.
AS a candidate, never and I mean ever show confidential sales numbers, W2 requests are even a bigger joke, never have I stooped that low to show a "proof of bonus or base salary, that is minor league shit. My comp is not anyone's business and if my candidacy is based on field contact reports from incompetent former managers or something screwy like that, I am 2 feet out the door before the STAR questions and "give me an example of how you leveraged a sale in a no see office" shit starts flowing....no thanks. Those are robot and questions for kids in primary care roles. And to one of the previous posters point, sales numbers are private in-house data of your former employer, remember those numbers are derived from IMS or WK and are proprietary to that employer...
 






Anonymous said:
I concur. Your reviews and other past company rankings are confidential. If there is any mention on a document that it is confidential you are suppose to keep it that way. Your experience and examples of that should be enough as well as the ability to connect with the hiring manager.
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Concur. However very few understand that concept. Company sales numbers are public, all my previous employers locked and only sent out stacked rankings and sales numbers in read only format, for the very reason that they did not want you reproducing, proof sourcing or sharing with anybodies eyes outside of the org.
 






Anonymous said:
I agreed with the obnoxous guy and the last post. Your results are important and they are what would be on the resume that drives the conversation to what you did and will offer the new company. The book itself is really for you as a reminder to all the things you have done and you incorporate the actions and results in the conversation. People who pull it out i see as not as polished or confident as someone who can have a conversation and tell me why they are the one. Otherise, its like hey dsm i am really good. See, read through my book while I sit here and stare at you. The smart ones have one or two seperate one page and brief pieces that as they are talking somehow appear in front of me for a quick glance. I quick motion never breaking eye contact and in total control of where and what they are saying
Practice the interview often
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Obnoxious guy is one of the few who shoot straight on here. I agree brag books are a sham and to go into an interview with a w2 stub is rookie league.
 






Although I don't believe I got the job, I was very pleased with the interviewing DM's who kept it very conversational and real. Seemed like great guys who I would enjoyi working with. They knew that anyone who made it to the F2F has a history of success and they weren't playing games instead it seemed as though they are trying to put together a great team. Normal and respectful. I would love the job but understand there is tremendous competition.
 






Anonymous said:
Although I don't believe I got the job, I was very pleased with the interviewing DM's who kept it very conversational and real. Seemed like great guys who I would enjoyi working with. They knew that anyone who made it to the F2F has a history of success and they weren't playing games instead it seemed as though they are trying to put together a great team. Normal and respectful. I would love the job but understand there is tremendous competition.
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Why are managers posting on this board, is damage control really that necessary. YOU above fool none, and I mean zilch.
 












Anonymous said:
Great post! Good to see on here that others do not play the brag book game either. It is total BS and in my 12 years in this industry at very successful players, not once did I ever show a "bragger" @ an interview and for the few times that it did come up, it was with the with organizations where insecurity and inexperience were the MO.
AS a candidate, never and I mean ever show confidential sales numbers, W2 requests are even a bigger joke, never have I stooped that low to show a "proof of bonus or base salary, that is minor league shit. My comp is not anyone's business and if my candidacy is based on field contact reports from incompetent former managers or something screwy like that, I am 2 feet out the door before the STAR questions and "give me an example of how you leveraged a sale in a no see office" shit starts flowing....no thanks. Those are robot and questions for kids in primary care roles. And to one of the previous posters point, sales numbers are private in-house data of your former employer, remember those numbers are derived from IMS or WK and are proprietary to that employer...
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bingo..........ding ding we have a winner.....the peeps I have seen interviewing are so afraid to even blink wrong during their process that this flies right over there heads.
 












When I say a brag book I mean the last three years od performance reviews, that's what they asked for! By GA not even looking at it was disrespectful, why waste our time if it was fixed from the beginning. Just unprofessional.
 






Anonymous said:
When I say a brag book I mean the last three years od performance reviews, that's what they asked for! By GA not even looking at it was disrespectful, why waste our time if it was fixed from the beginning. Just unprofessional.
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Gees, I don't usually keep my performance reviews just rankings. So then what? Are you out of the interview game then?
 






Never got reimbursed for expenses! Jerks faked the interview and now futurestep won't pay for the expenses. Very low class bad example. I wouldn't accept now even if they asked.
 












you people are hilarious. let me clarify a few things for you.
1. your 3 previous performance ratings are looked at and reviewed by the managers during the late evening sessions they put in- its hard to look at everything in the 1 hour interview you have but trust me they are reviewed.
2. the idiot that said his/her performance rankings and reviews are confidential clearly has something to hide- THEY ARE NOT CONFIDENTIAL! You show these to demonstrate a pattern of success and if you dont have it then so it goes! I would think that a compentant person would keep their success documents to help their case in an interview!
3. the process is not perfect and we try to get you all in/out as quick as possible but there were some gaps and wait time- sorry but you need to get over it-if an hour or two out of your life is too much to ask then you dont belong anyway
 






Anonymous said:
you people are hilarious. let me clarify a few things for you.
1. your 3 previous performance ratings are looked at and reviewed by the managers during the late evening sessions they put in- its hard to look at everything in the 1 hour interview you have but trust me they are reviewed.
2. the idiot that said his/her performance rankings and reviews are confidential clearly has something to hide- THEY ARE NOT CONFIDENTIAL! You show these to demonstrate a pattern of success and if you dont have it then so it goes! I would think that a compentant person would keep their success documents to help their case in an interview!
3. the process is not perfect and we try to get you all in/out as quick as possible but there were some gaps and wait time- sorry but you need to get over it-if an hour or two out of your life is too much to ask then you dont belong anyway
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fuck you hr hack
 












Just to keep some fair balance around here with all the negative folks...... I went to a formal interview two weeks ago and I already received my reimbursement for expenses.
 






I made it to the third interview with the regional. He was very gracious and made the interview comfortable. I think the other person that was there for the same position met with him as well. Manager called and said I did good job but they had one more candidate to see this week. I am anxious to find out if I am offered the position. The interview process was stressful but handled professionally.
 






Anonymous said:
fuck you hr hack
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Exactly f u. Totally ridiculous process. Those people who got offers even agree the recruiting process and the way things were handled was unprofessional. Some people were told verbally they got offers and then someone else was handed the paperwork by accident. Sounds like a law suit to me, but nothing will be done cuz who has the time for that nonsense.
 






Anonymous said:
I made it to the third interview with the regional. He was very gracious and made the interview comfortable. I think the other person that was there for the same position met with him as well. Manager called and said I did good job but they had one more candidate to see this week. I am anxious to find out if I am offered the position. The interview process was stressful but handled professionally.
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I started interviewing May 1 2012 for a hospital Samsca position. I got an offer July 16th with a start date of August 3rd. I flew to Dallas twice. I do not think this was unreasonable. I met with 3 DM and 1 RM and yes I used a brag book and even left one. Proprietary information? Screw that company, they laid me off.
 






Anonymous said:
I am 5 months new to this company. If you can put up with doing a few more reports and constant dinner programs you should be fine. The benefits are very good, Ford Edge easy to drive and at least my manager is a realist who lets me do my job. Heck even with this expansion I believe there will be about or less than 500 reps total! Big Pharma cuts that number or more in a day.
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Thank you for this candid response. I start on Aug 6th. I was not laid off at least this go around. Looking forward to the awesome benefits of this company
 






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