New contract with Janssen?

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Anonymous said:
There is no such thing as looking ahead 10 years and a stable environment in pharma. 3 years is an excellent contract given that many are only a year to year basis. I have the impression that they are only interviewing a few candidates for each territory. Why would they go to the expense of flying so many to just a few locations? Secondly, all drug screens and background checks to be done prior to the interview die to time frame which is yet another expense. Lastly, interview with regional manager the same day if you get moved forward. I am guessing offers immediately following. I don't think this is a cattle call folks...anyone know for sure the salary and if company car or car allowance?
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Your questions make you seem clueless
 












Does anybody know if you were a runner up for another contract that hasn't officially begun yet if it blocks you from interviewing for other ventiv contracts? I was told this by a recruiter and think it sucks you have to wait around for someone else to start a job.
 












Anonymous said:
Why do people continue to return to an industry they know is unstable? It can't be the money because being unemployed eats up what you have earned?
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Not really. Not if you do it right. You're not doing it right. The whole f*#kn industry is unstable but if you know what you're doing you can survive until you get out. Don't think " career" or "success" or any of that bs now. Think " Darwin ".
 






Anonymous said:
Not really. Not if you do it right. You're not doing it right. The whole f*#kn industry is unstable but if you know what you're doing you can survive until you get out. Don't think " career" or "success" or any of that bs now. Think " Darwin ".
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Huh? Not doing it right? Is what you say true for someone in their 30s? Why not find another more fulfilling stable career?
 






Anonymous said:
Huh? Not doing it right? Is what you say true for someone in their 30s? Why not find another more fulfilling stable career?
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No. If you are in your 30's you should have already gotten out and rescued your career.
As a matter of fact, a savvy HR person will look at someone in their 30's and wonder why the hell they aren't already on their way somewhere else. The " survivor " would be someone in their fifties, nothing else on their resume and sadly no were else to go. The good news for the smart survivor is they only have to make it 3 - 5 years ( i.e. CSO works ) then if they've been smart with their money, they can retire. Someone in their 30's should be elsewhere and, no offense, but if you are that age and trying to hang on in pharma, you're stupid.
 






Anonymous said:
No. If you are in your 30's you should have already gotten out and rescued your career.
As a matter of fact, a savvy HR person will look at someone in their 30's and wonder why the hell they aren't already on their way somewhere else. The " survivor " would be someone in their fifties, nothing else on their resume and sadly no were else to go. The good news for the smart survivor is they only have to make it 3 - 5 years ( i.e. CSO works ) then if they've been smart with their money, they can retire. Someone in their 30's should be elsewhere and, no offense, but if you are that age and trying to hang on in pharma, you're stupid.
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You said that absolutely right!

If you're in your 30's and still in this business......well, you're just plain stupid. How could you possibly think this is going anywhere? And the previous post is right....HR people will scratch their head when you ask for a job.
 












Anonymous said:
You said that absolutely right!

If you're in your 30's and still in this business......well, you're just plain stupid. How could you possibly think this is going anywhere? And the previous post is right....HR people will scratch their head when you ask for a job.
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Now you are answering your own posts? Your first post about surviving was a blanket statement without clarifying an age. Either way you have an abrasive know it all attitude and the name calling etc.
 












Anonymous said:
Yes, they are still trying to figure out where the extra bodies need to be for this contract. Inventiv said they could fill it faster than Quintiles. Not sure this will be so? A lot of us managers at Quintiles are not sure how well this is going to go over. A few of the Janssen managers requested that their Quintiles people be protected and also have gone as far as to shut down those territories posted and place a rep from Quintiles if needed. Be careful what you are walking into. Contract is tough enough.....
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Is anyone at all concerned about pursuing this opportunity taking into consideration what has recently happened with the GSK contract? Would hate to be in a position where I give my current employer notice, only to have my inventiv position put on indefinite hold...
 






Anonymous said:
Is anyone at all concerned about pursuing this opportunity taking into consideration what has recently happened with the GSK contract? Would hate to be in a position where I give my current employer notice, only to have my inventiv position put on indefinite hold...
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I was thinking the same thing. I am a bit skeptical.
 






Anonymous said:
No. If you are in your 30's you should have already gotten out and rescued your career.
As a matter of fact, a savvy HR person will look at someone in their 30's and wonder why the hell they aren't already on their way somewhere else. The " survivor " would be someone in their fifties, nothing else on their resume and sadly no were else to go. The good news for the smart survivor is they only have to make it 3 - 5 years ( i.e. CSO works ) then if they've been smart with their money, they can retire. Someone in their 30's should be elsewhere and, no offense, but if you are that age and trying to hang on in pharma, you're stupid.
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Looks like a lot of people aren't "doing it right' with these Ventiv contracts that are falling apart. I guess they are not as smart as you.
 






Anonymous said:
Is anyone at all concerned about pursuing this opportunity taking into consideration what has recently happened with the GSK contract? Would hate to be in a position where I give my current employer notice, only to have my inventiv position put on indefinite hold...
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And THAT is exactly the position MANY are in...have given notice and now have no job! They don't even qualify for unemployment benefits now! I declined 2 offers and 2 interviews since accepting the non-existent position. Left with NOTHING. RUN for you life...AWAY from this company!!!
 












Anonymous said:
All contracts END. Sooner or later. you shouldThis was a always be looking to move on from contract work.
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Hey, Jackass! Clearly, you haven't a clue what we're talking about. This was a contract where they hired 360 reps, offers were made and signed, background checks done, drug tests done, start date set for June 1st. We got calls TODAY (MAY 13) telling us that half of those hired would not be starting on june 1st....but rather POSSIBLY in mid January. So. .. there was no way we could have seen this coming. People resigned from jobs and declined jobs and interviews because they had a written offer, ect.

Add for people saying to get out of contract work and get a job with a "real" pharmaceutical co., perhaps you haven't seen all off the layoffs that the "real" companies have gone through! Contract is becoming the way of pharmaceutical sales. it's the safest place to be if you were in pharmaceutical sales. When one contract ends, Vantiv will always forward to another contract if there's one available and you have done a good job on the last. The "real" companies send you out the door with a pat on the back. Yes,this particular contract is screwed up, butI have worked for ventiv for 6 years on multiple contracts and this is not the norm.
 






I've seen contracts end during initial training. As for inVentiv being loyal and rolling you over to next contract; keep telling that to yourself...this is a game of musical chairs. I know plenty good 'former' inVentiv reps that didn't get the call back. It would be a good time to get out of pharma all together.
 






Anonymous said:
I've seen contracts end during initial training. As for inVentiv being loyal and rolling you over to next contract; keep telling that to yourself...this is a game of musical chairs. I know plenty good 'former' inVentiv reps that didn't get the call back. It would be a good time to get out of pharma all together.
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This is the Ventiv site not inVentive
 






Anonymous said:
This is the Ventiv site not inVentive
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First, Ventiv IS InVentiv. There was a merger and a name change several years ago.

Next...Its not a matter of me telling myself that, it's a matter of what I've experienced. Again, I was with this company for six years on multiple contracts, I have ALWAYS been put forward for the next opportunity when one ends. Now, that doesn't mean you always get the job, you have to interview just like everyone else. Perhaps it has been luck, but I've always gotten the position. My point is, you don't have anyone setting up interviews for you when you work for the manufacturer...they just release you and tell you, "good luck". You're on your own. I agree that this is a good time to get out of pharma, but if you've been in pharma for the last 18 years and it's the only experience you have, it's difficult. Most other sales positions don't pay nearly as much and in terms of benefits (car, bonus, etc.), forget it.
 






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