Read this whole thread. Ciba was great company when Novartis bought them, they dismantled their pharma and any bundled business and tore it apart, and screwed the pooch. Those sitting around the swiss lake have no clue how to run or grow a specialty business alcon will never be the same - funny what a great job swiss Nestle did managing alcon with their hands-off huge success Schollmeyer, Sear, Rayment, wow well done history will be kind to each, Buehler on the other hand owns the current mess sorry Kevin you get the restrooms named after you - funny that the model also exists in JnJ for standalone speciality co's - very successful model - Novartis model not so much