Medical Sales College. Is it for Real?

[Walking Eagle]

Walking Eagle,

Looking at this thread I completely disagree with you. It is clear that back in 2012, someone was clearly after this company. 655 of the 719 posts are in 2012. I do not see any trend in which the company is “promoting the product!”

If it was a scam, I hardly believe they would be licensed as a college. I doubt they would have a perfect record with the education agency and the BBB. Lastly, after 665 posts in 2012, wouldn’t they have hundreds of students that graduated from the program post that date? If so, why is it that none of their students are complaining?

I also see a press release where they received approval from the US Government to train ex-military. I doubt the military would pay for scams.

2011- 4 Posts (.5%)
2012 – 665 posts (92.5%)
2013 – 18 posts (2.5%)
2014 – 32 posts (4.5%)

I think the the trend of posting proves the authenticity of the college. Well that and the success of the students.

And we have another ad from the school or a student trying to justify the money spent for a job they should have been able to get on their own....

 

[Anonymous]

And we have another ad from the school or a student trying to justify the money spent for a job they should have been able to get on their own....

Took the words out of my mouth.

This place still makes no sense. If I were a hiring manager (Don't want to be, they pay less than the sales reps in most device jobs) I would only care about how well they did at their last job, they passion and professionalism, and I would prefer to hire someone with industry specific-experience.

The placements here sound like entry level at best.

 

[anonymous]

NOT WHAT I EXPECTED!!!!!

Pros: I learned a large amount of information in the short amount of time I was there.
Staff and teachers (not professors) were very friendly and informative.

Cons: I went there because I was told they would help me start my career and were advertising they had a 93% placement rate. They did NOT help me start my career and they told me they would do. I can honestly say that the whole time I was there everyone had warned me that I was on my own when it comes to getting a job. I didn't have one good lead from the recruiters there for a whole year after graduating. I gave up on them.

Conclusion: If you want to learn a lot and already have a career lined up then look further into the school. However if you expect them to help you find a career I wouldn't waste your TIME and MONEY.

 

[anonymous]

But they have a Facebook page and website with pictures of happily placed grads along with their names and the companies they work for. Surely, you must be the exception.

NOT WHAT I EXPECTED!!!!!

Pros: I learned a large amount of information in the short amount of time I was there.
Staff and teachers (not professors) were very friendly and informative.

Cons: I went there because I was told they would help me start my career and were advertising they had a 93% placement rate. They did NOT help me start my career and they told me they would do. I can honestly say that the whole time I was there everyone had warned me that I was on my own when it comes to getting a job. I didn't have one good lead from the recruiters there for a whole year after graduating. I gave up on them.

Conclusion: If you want to learn a lot and already have a career lined up then look further into the school. However if you expect them to help you find a career I wouldn't waste your TIME and MONEY.

 

[anonymous]

I have nearly ten years sales experience in a highly competitive market as a private jet charter broker, been researching med sales full time for past 6 weeks. Considering med sales college not for any guarantees but to be in better control of this process and to become more marketable and more prepared. Frankly, I don't believe med sales is for you if youre depending on someone else to help get you hired or considered. Wrong mentality. I'd be doing it for the training (anatomy, terminology, sales, surgeon profiling, OR protocol). I actually care very little about their recruiters helping me. Sure, I could maybe learn most of that on my own over time, but would rather have the info condensed and be surrounded by like minded individuals. What's $10k but an investment in your career and future? No better way to spend it id say. Getting paid $100k+ in a few years with ability to make much more? I think most people who complain about the college have baggage, or self-image issues. I'm not perfect by any means, by I have loads of confidence which is the biggest part of sales. My only doubts about the college is in how necessary it is. Getting so few replies by recruiters and hiring managers because I didn't work for ADP, giving it a couple more months then probably attending "worst case scenario".

 

[anonymous]

Use your sales experience and self-confidence to find and contact the hiring managers directly; why are you wasting time with recruiters? By nature they are hired to filter candidates to find the needle in the haystack. What's so appealing to you about medical sales anyway if I can ask?

I have nearly ten years sales experience in a highly competitive market as a private jet charter broker, been researching med sales full time for past 6 weeks. Considering med sales college not for any guarantees but to be in better control of this process and to become more marketable and more prepared. Frankly, I don't believe med sales is for you if youre depending on someone else to help get you hired or considered. Wrong mentality. I'd be doing it for the training (anatomy, terminology, sales, surgeon profiling, OR protocol). I actually care very little about their recruiters helping me. Sure, I could maybe learn most of that on my own over time, but would rather have the info condensed and be surrounded by like minded individuals. What's $10k but an investment in your career and future? No better way to spend it id say. Getting paid $100k+ in a few years with ability to make much more? I think most people who complain about the college have baggage, or self-image issues. I'm not perfect by any means, by I have loads of confidence which is the biggest part of sales. My only doubts about the college is in how necessary it is. Getting so few replies by recruiters and hiring managers because I didn't work for ADP, giving it a couple more months then probably attending "worst case scenario".

 

[anonymous]

Hello Shannon. I have a M.S. in Biology and have been very successful in both business to business sales and pharmaceutical sales. I applied for a medical device position and received positive feedback on my background, however, the recruiter wanted to know if I was AIMS or RMSR certified, which I am not. They suggested that I take a course and certify in order to move further in the process. I find this a little preposterous.

I wanted to know both from you and any device representatives if this certification is really as necessary as it seems or am I just being swindled.

 

[Jenna]

Hello Shannon. I have a M.S. in Biology and have been very successful in both business to business sales and pharmaceutical sales. I applied for a medical device position and received positive feedback on my background, however, the recruiter wanted to know if I was AIMS or RMSR certified, which I am not. They suggested that I take a course and certify in order to move further in the process. I find this a little preposterous.

I wanted to know both from you and any device representatives if this certification is really as necessary as it seems or am I just being swindled.

 

[anonymous]

I’m in Surgical Device Sales. My poor waitress at lunch asked me to help with her resume and went on and on about how she went to Surgical Sales School and specialized in Trauma and orthopedics. She asked what i sprecialized in and I said laparoscopy. She asked me what that was.... I understand all surgery is different, but COME ON! I feel bad for her...

 

[anonymous]

I have nearly ten years sales experience in a highly competitive market as a private jet charter broker, been researching med sales full time for past 6 weeks. Considering med sales college not for any guarantees but to be in better control of this process and to become more marketable and more prepared. Frankly, I don't believe med sales is for you if youre depending on someone else to help get you hired or considered. Wrong mentality. I'd be doing it for the training (anatomy, terminology, sales, surgeon profiling, OR protocol). I actually care very little about their recruiters helping me. Sure, I could maybe learn most of that on my own over time, but would rather have the info condensed and be surrounded by like minded individuals. What's $10k but an investment in your career and future? No better way to spend it id say. Getting paid $100k+ in a few years with ability to make much more? I think most people who complain about the college have baggage, or self-image issues. I'm not perfect by any means, by I have loads of confidence which is the biggest part of sales. My only doubts about the college is in how necessary it is. Getting so few replies by recruiters and hiring managers because I didn't work for ADP, giving it a couple more months then probably attending "worst case scenario".

 

[anonymous]

I’m in Surgical Device Sales. My poor waitress at lunch asked me to help with her resume and went on and on about how she went to Surgical Sales School and specialized in Trauma and orthopedics. She asked what i sprecialized in and I said laparoscopy. She asked me what that was.... I understand all surgery is different, but COME ON! I feel bad for her...

you seem like the poor one with your stupid attitude.

 

[anonymous]

I've been in pharma sales for 25 years, my son just graduated with his biochem degree. I took one look at the curriculum at Medical Science College and knew anyone who completed this course will be far more prepared for this industry than someone who has not. When you start in this industry there is so much to understand about how things are ordered and paid for and there are so many electronic programs to participate in. That said, while I look at all the comments one needs to consider the job market at various times. In times of low demand you will have a hard time getting placed with years of experience. Worst job market I recall is 2008 when great, highly experienced candidates looked for over a year to be placed. That said I have never seen a job market so on fire and I seeing candidates with little experience getting placed. For that reason I am paying for my son to take this course.

 

[anonymous]

Its a scam. Dont pay your way to maybe get an associate role working 70 hour weeks maybe to make 50k. Go work hard and sell payroll, copiers or uniforms like eveyone else and make money while learning how to sell. These medical companies will teach you the products and PAY you once you get the job. I was contacted by a recruiter a few years ago for a medical sales gig and at the end of the pitch asked if I was certified by the medical sales college and it was a requirement and to contact the school. Once I looked up the “recruiter” she worked for the scam school. So shady they are getting kids to fall for this. Wish I thought of it cause I know these guys are making serious coin getting people to pay for a worthless sheet of paper.

 

[anonymous]

This is about as legit as a degree from Trump University. There has to be some major finder fees and/or referral fees changing hands.

 

[anonymous]

Unlike all the posts on Cafepharma that have remained anonymous, this post will be very different.

My name is Shannon Marshall and I am the Director of Social Media for the Medical Sales College. Traditionally, we have had a policy in place that prohibits employees of the college from responding to posts on Cafepharma.

I would like to clear up information presented on this site and invite anyone into constructive conversations. I will only post to this thread (Medical Sales College. Is it for Real?) and will only answer questions related to the school, to our educational process, and to placement activities. I will not engage in discussions of employees, former employees, other recruiters, or specific customers or companies.

It appears that as we continue unprecedented success, we find a certain someone that is really having a hard time dealing with it.

First let me say that every post you see in opposition will be presented anonymously which I conclude almost all of them are the same person. We can clear that up if you too disclose whom you are so we can truly see how many people are posting. We are quite confident of the source as well as the self-serving reason behind the posts. Nonetheless, lets get started.

 

[anonymous]

Love the Trump Univ quote. Mrs I’m not Gonna Remain Anonymous is probably working for them trying to pay off her loans from her days in Scientology. Like any correspondence school, this is a money grab. I’ve been in Spine for 16 years and cannot name one of my colleagues that graduated from this scam shop or, for that matter, any correspondence school. If you’d like a career in this industry, get a good education from a reputable school and network with those in the biz while doing so. Any hiring manager worth his/her weight in salt will require a few years on sales experience in another or similar industry, so plan on earning it. That’s the easy part, the real work comes once you get the job...and no medical scam “college” is going to teach you that. Invest in yourself, not into a couple of knuckle heads selling snake oil.

 

[anonymous]

I have nearly ten years sales experience in a highly competitive market as a private jet charter broker, been researching med sales full time for past 6 weeks. Considering med sales college not for any guarantees but to be in better control of this process and to become more marketable and more prepared. Frankly, I don't believe med sales is for you if youre depending on someone else to help get you hired or considered. Wrong mentality. I'd be doing it for the training (anatomy, terminology, sales, surgeon profiling, OR protocol). I actually care very little about their recruiters helping me. Sure, I could maybe learn most of that on my own over time, but would rather have the info condensed and be surrounded by like minded individuals. What's $10k but an investment in your career and future? No better way to spend it id say. Getting paid $100k+ in a few years with ability to make much more? I think most people who complain about the college have baggage, or self-image issues. I'm not perfect by any means, by I have loads of confidence which is the biggest part of sales. My only doubts about the college is in how necessary it is. Getting so few replies by recruiters and hiring managers because I didn't work for ADP, giving it a couple more months then probably attending "worst case scenario".

 

[anonymous]

Device Sales sucks nowadays

 

[anonymous]

#12

I agree that networking can help. Again, keep in mind that you are up against hundreds for that same position. The manager most likely will want more than networking like practical experience. Meaning, you can work right away with results. How can you possibly do that without knowing how to perform the job? Do you believe a surgeon will give you his or her business when you can’t even pronounce the procedure? These surgeons are under a great deal of risk with increased malpractice. What sells is passion. How can you be passionate about something you have very little confidence of? You can only be confident of something you have knowledge. That is where experience comes in.

On another note, I always believe someone has an agenda when they post. #12 is yet a great example. If you look closely to what he or she says;

“I have been in capital equipment sales for several years and was in pharma before that. Over my career, I have working with many recruiters. None of which ever suggested that I need any AIMS certification. In fact, I would guess the vast majority of recruiters do not even know what that means.”

Unless this individual has been changing jobs within capital sales on an annual basis, I am not sure why they would be working with so many recruiters (red flag), I also don’t believe that all recruiters know what AIMS certification would be considering it doesn’t exist. I would bet however that they all know the Medical Sales College. I also bet they do not like it. Why would they? It has taken 400+ jobs away from them and has created another source for candidates that cost the employer zero. Who would you rather have the former copier salesman for a $15,000 fee or the former copier salesman 8-weeks trained for a $0 fee?


Shannon Marshall
Director of Social Media
Medical Sales College

 

[anonymous]

Any updates?