Liposcience/HDL labs/Blue Wave Consulting

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I think what is really happening here is the following: The Owners / Leaders of Health Diagnostic Labs and Singulex Labs are so naive and ignorant of what the Blue Wave "consultants" / "sales reps" (Brad Johnson and Cal Dent) are actually doing to them. They are in reality “sucking” / making as much money as they can without any regards to clinical relevance or even legal ramification. The owners of BlueWave (cal and brad) who seem to promote and make all the business decisions in both these labs, are actually the ones who benefit the most in this whole convoluted business practice. They are trying to get as much money out of both these companies (HDL and Singulx) without any regards to regulations laws or even clinical application. To the point they actually offered me money to promote the sales of their tests!! The joke is on them as I have this on record. After all, what do they care if regulation stops HDL or singluex? They have already made their money! In reality Cal and Brad (especially cal) who made a call to our offices early on and continues to make so much money out of our offices, are so clinically ignorant it is laughable. Yet in their minds they believe they understand clinical treatment and guidelines (that’s a joke), it's actually almost amusing. Cal in particular is so naive when it comes to clinical application, but he is a good salesman and that is all. He is one of the most arrogant men you will ever meet, if not the most! Just a warning "pride cometh before the fall"... more to come
 






Lab corp,Quest diagnostics and other big labs are dinosaurs when it comes to cardiovascular testing. HDL labs Berkley heart lab, boston heart diagnostics and others are way ahead of the curve. The rules of the game will never be the same, cat is out of the bag already. I don't think big labs will ever catch up. They might try to buy them up but no investor would take the risk of a start up.
 






Anonymous said:
Lab corp,Quest diagnostics and other big labs are dinosaurs when it comes to cardiovascular testing. HDL labs Berkley heart lab, boston heart diagnostics and others are way ahead of the curve. The rules of the game will never be the same, cat is out of the bag already. I don't think big labs will ever catch up. They might try to buy them up but no investor would take the risk of a start up.
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You are kidding right? I don't even work for LabCorp and realize that there is basically NOTHING that the labs you are mentioning can offer that LCA can't do. Hell HDL have Liposcience do a lot of the testing for them. Why don't you give some specifics that those labs are doing that you feel Quest and LabCorp can't offer. You do realize that Quest purchased Berkeley Heart Lab don't you? Its Berkeley not Berkley. Just go to the website and it clearly states that they are a Quest Diagonistic owned company.
 






Bluewave is not a lab company, they are a "broker" that sells for several different lab companies. I'm not sure how much of the Stark law actually applies to them, but it would be nice to get some clarification. I know the Quest/Berkeley reps would appreciate it as well---HDL is kicking their ass all over the country.
Regardless, Bluewave is made up of unethical sales people who have no regard for the law....just $$$ in their pockets. Their "educators" will tell you the same thing, most are down right embarrassed to work for HDL but then again, the $$ is good and they won't be able to work elsewhere with the same benefits.
Too bad the regulators aren't looking more closely at them.
 












There tactics will be to be less obvious in their illegal marketing. Instead of comping labs they will talk up the indigent program of hdl. They will stop at nothing to get docs to order unnecessary tests so that their obscene commissions will remain high. They are under investigation by the doj but the outcome or details are hard to get at.
 






any updates? You clearly have an insiders view.


surprise_is_coming said:
I think what is really happening here is the following: The Owners / Leaders of Health Diagnostic Labs and Singulex Labs are so naive and ignorant of what the Blue Wave "consultants" / "sales reps" (Brad Johnson and Cal Dent) are actually doing to them. They are in reality “sucking” / making as much money as they can without any regards to clinical relevance or even legal ramification. The owners of BlueWave (cal and brad) who seem to promote and make all the business decisions in both these labs, are actually the ones who benefit the most in this whole convoluted business practice. They are trying to get as much money out of both these companies (HDL and Singulx) without any regards to regulations laws or even clinical application. To the point they actually offered me money to promote the sales of their tests!! The joke is on them as I have this on record. After all, what do they care if regulation stops HDL or singluex? They have already made their money! In reality Cal and Brad (especially cal) who made a call to our offices early on and continues to make so much money out of our offices, are so clinically ignorant it is laughable. Yet in their minds they believe they understand clinical treatment and guidelines (that’s a joke), it's actually almost amusing. Cal in particular is so naive when it comes to clinical application, but he is a good salesman and that is all. He is one of the most arrogant men you will ever meet, if not the most! Just a warning "pride cometh before the fall"... more to come
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I'm seeing a lot of HDL docs in FL drop them because they are now required to bill patients...and since they are out of network, patients are getting some outrageous bills. I also heard the DOJ has called in several of Bluewave's reps for depositions--one in my territory has lawyered up. The gravy train might be coming to an end for them....
 












And reps are taking those Florida letters into HDL accounts in other states without those rules, and lying to doctors saying its the same way there. Just just as if not more dishonest than what HDL is doing. Better hope the managed care reps don't leave a copy of that with a doctor.


OTE=Anonymous;4821101]I'm seeing a lot of HDL docs in FL drop them because they are now required to bill patients...and since they are out of network, patients are getting some outrageous bills. I also heard the DOJ has called in several of Bluewave's reps for depositions--one in my territory has lawyered up. The gravy train might be coming to an end for them....[/QUOTE]
 






Many of the Liposcience reps are working closer with labs or lab reps that will give them additional income. "If you want to play with them you have to pay" exact words from the lipo rep in my territory. I guess I won't be selling their test anytime soon.
 






I love that this thread started in 2011 and everyone claimed HDL would be going away soon... no one is buying them because they aren't worth crap....and here were are, in 2014, talking about the same thing. The docs in my territory tried them out early on, with their "Super Panel" and then quickly found out the results were skewed and bailed on them, despite the kickbacks. The Liposcience reps jumped LabCorp's ship because HDL was picking up market share so quickly...and in turn burned their bridges with LCA. Now HDL is tanking and no one in my region will give the Liposh!ts the time of day, anymore.
 






There are no announcements about the investigation so it must still be pending. If they apply the rules of the recent fraud alert for labs they are going to stay in the hot seat. Lots of employees are still waiting for the other shoe to drop. They don't appear to be tanking. they have nearly a thousand employees now and they have moved into the second new building.
 






Check out Wall Street Journal article " A Fast-Growing Medical Lab Tests Anti-Kickback Law" WSJ.com, on this subject. Plus Johnson, Dent and Calhoun are also running a cancer diagnostic lab called Cobalt Healthcare Consultants. Mr Johnson runs several dummy corps his lawyers have set in Nevada and Alabama.
 
























Anonymous said:
Announcement just came out today. HDL is being investigated by OIG. S#%t catches up with ya. Bye bye HDL.
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You mean they finally caught up with Richard Younger, Steve Oliveras and Brent Jones! It's about time. Now they are trying to buy doctors with some clinical trial. That is under investigation too.
They were always bragging about P&H (a.k.a. Kick-Back)

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