Liposcience/HDL labs/Blue Wave Consulting

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Does anybody understand the relationship between LipoScience, HDL Labs, and Blue Wave Consulting? I talked to a client and reps from all three companies made a joint call and told the doctor they could do all the liposcience profile and about twenty other tests for the doctor and the patients would never see a bill even if the tests was not covered by insurance. The doctor was not sure if HDL or Blue Wave would do the billing, but he was told that because they did not have any contracts with insurance companies, that they would accept whatever insurance paid. Some of the tests were very expensive, so how can they just write off everything?
 












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Does anybody understand the relationship between LipoScience, HDL Labs, and Blue Wave Consulting? I talked to a client and reps from all three companies made a joint call and told the doctor they could do all the liposcience profile and about twenty other tests for the doctor and the patients would never see a bill even if the tests was not covered by insurance. The doctor was not sure if HDL or Blue Wave would do the billing, but he was told that because they did not have any contracts with insurance companies, that they would accept whatever insurance paid. Some of the tests were very expensive, so how can they just write off everything?
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I dont know how but i wish mama labcorp would give them a crapload of money to make them go away they are changing the rules of the game
 












They have some big investors who are stupid enough to believe their BS stories about getting a big return. The only money makers here are the reps, but I doubt it will last for long. Stark Law will catch up to them soon enough--not sure why LC isn't going after them for overpaying draw fees.
 






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Does anybody understand the relationship between LipoScience, HDL Labs, and Blue Wave Consulting? I talked to a client and reps from all three companies made a joint call and told the doctor they could do all the liposcience profile and about twenty other tests for the doctor and the patients would never see a bill even if the tests was not covered by insurance. The doctor was not sure if HDL or Blue Wave would do the billing, but he was told that because they did not have any contracts with insurance companies, that they would accept whatever insurance paid. Some of the tests were very expensive, so how can they just write off everything?
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My understanding is that Liposcience reps get some kind of unit credit no matter what lab it goes through. HDL/Bluewave (one in the same) give high draw fees and charge absolutely no co-pay to the patients, so it is easier for Lipo reps to take Bluewave into accounts. Doctors apparently have no concerns about accepting these high draw fees!
 






Hmmm...are these the same doctors that have no concern accepting "high draw fees" from companies like Cleveland Heart Lab, Berkley Heart Lab, Atherotech, Liposcience or Boston Heart Lab? Or are they the same doctors that have no concern about accepting a full time employee (Phleb) in their office or EMR interface for free from Labcorp?
 












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Hmmm...are these the same doctors that have no concern accepting "high draw fees" from companies like Cleveland Heart Lab, Berkley Heart Lab, Atherotech, Liposcience or Boston Heart Lab? Or are they the same doctors that have no concern about accepting a full time employee (Phleb) in their office or EMR interface for free from Labcorp?
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I'm not sure what most of the labs pay for draw fees, but why isn't LCA/Quest going after these companies? Stark Law is in place to prevent this, right? I don't believe it is absolutely required to comply, but it should be a guidance and therefore enforced when these fees become egregious.
BTW--Berkeley is part of Quest now. Not likely a candidate as stated above.
 






come on people. BHL still does this and quest owns them. they obviously have found a legal way to reimburse for this. do u think quest would have bought BHL if they did this and it was not legal. come on. the reason LCA/quest doesn't go after them is that they don't care. it's small potatoes. they don't do this because they don't have to. these small labs get bigger and the big labs swallow them up. cant u see the pattern here.
 






The lab only pays a $20 draw fee. There is considerable time required for the processing (several tubes which require different times to sit and be spun in a centrifuge) and securing the specimens in the packaging. I feel the fee barely covers the employee time expense.
 






Bull Crap. This is a OIG violation and a kickback. Plus HDL needs to be investigated for insurance fraud ! These unbelievable super panels they are running are totally outrageous.
This is doing noting but driving up the cost of health care. The majority of these doctors do not know what to do with the results and most of the time they do not change these therapy. This is clearly wrong and an inducement.

These guys deserve imprisonment. Yesterday, I had a doctor tell me the entire story. I am contacting the OIG and my State Senator.
 






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The lab only pays a $20 draw fee. There is considerable time required for the processing (several tubes which require different times to sit and be spun in a centrifuge) and securing the specimens in the packaging. I feel the fee barely covers the employee time expense.
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Really? I heard consulting fees of $2,500 per month to big clients. I also see a "Foundation" formed by HDL to pay docs from a Non-profit company. Your only fooling yourself!! The $20 draw fee is just part of it.

Can't wait to the OIG visits some docs of HDL and asks how they changed up the PLAVIX dosage based on the HDL CYP2C19 results. Wait the doc didn't do anything but collect the $20.

Sad to see a smart guy like Dayspring get caught up in such a racket.
 






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Really? I heard consulting fees of $2,500 per month to big clients. I also see a "Foundation" formed by HDL to pay docs from a Non-profit company. Your only fooling yourself!! The $20 draw fee is just part of it.

Can't wait to the OIG visits some docs of HDL and asks how they changed up the PLAVIX dosage based on the HDL CYP2C19 results. Wait the doc didn't do anything but collect the $20.

Sad to see a smart guy like Dayspring get caught up in such a racket.
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And we're all a bunch of choirboys. LOL
 
























What about the no balance billing in Florida? LCA and Quest are handed fines because of issues like these and HDL gets away with it---and is overpaying draw fees to boot! Where the f*** are the bean counting govt agencies now? Talk about blatant medicare fraud and Stark law violations.
 






It's out of control in Florida, but I hear Cigna is finally putting their foot down and docs are running scared. Let's see how many of them continue to run NMRs through Labcorp when they don't a get a "draw fee". My guess is very few.
 












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