Joke of an Interview

[anonymous]

So sick and tired of these scam interviews. You know they already have their candidate picked but they need 4 other bodies to make believe like it's real. Novo Nordisk where Nepotism reigns supreme

 

[anonymous]

That’s absolutely the way it works here.

 

[anonymous]

Novo is very famous for this know that and move on dont take them seriously

 

[anonymous]

This is why most of leadership is incompetent. Not a meritocracy at all.

Unfortunately, it forces you to play the game if you ever want to get ahead.

 

[anonymous]

I interviewed a month ago in Georgia. I was so prepared, an incredibly workable business plan, product knowledge and was a diabetes educator at another company and I found out some little twit that was besties with the managers boss got the role.
I'll take my loss if it was fair. When I found out about this from someone that worked there I almost lost my shit. I was going to lambast the DM via email but why bother?

 

[anonymous]

I interviewed a month ago in Georgia. I was so prepared, an incredibly workable business plan, product knowledge and was a diabetes educator at another company and I found out some little twit that was besties with the managers boss got the role.
I'll take my loss if it was fair. When I found out about this from someone that worked there I almost lost my shit. I was going to lambast the DM via email but why bother?

News Flash: Life is not Fair....

 

[anonymous]

I interviewed a month ago in Georgia. I was so prepared, an incredibly workable business plan, product knowledge and was a diabetes educator at another company and I found out some little twit that was besties with the managers boss got the role.
I'll take my loss if it was fair. When I found out about this from someone that worked there I almost lost my shit. I was going to lambast the DM via email but why bother?

Go to HR and review your experience with the sleazy DM

 

[anonymous]

I suppose if you don't immediately get hired for an role that you have interviewed for it must be nepotism, favoritism, racism or any other ism. Sorry, maybe it was just you and wasn't meant to be.

 

[anonymous]

I suppose if you don't immediately get hired for an role that you have interviewed for it must be nepotism, favoritism, racism or any other ism. Sorry, maybe it was just you and wasn't meant to be.

TWISM
Prism

 

[anonymous]

You should be happy that we don’t all start from scratch and that our entire professional experience is only an hour long interview. Hiring managers have favorites for a reason - past experience with a candidate and a body of work that they have seen and can trust. Build a better network, and you won’t rely solely on the impression you leave in an hour long interview. I laugh at the idea of that not being “fair” - it would be incredibly unfair for a hiring manager to treat 2 candidates exactly the same when they’ve known one for years and the other is a complete stranger until the interview. The two candidates aren’t the same to the manager, so they shouldn’t be treated the same. That’s fair.

 

[anonymous]

I interviewed a month ago in Georgia. I was so prepared, an incredibly workable business plan, product knowledge and was a diabetes educator at another company and I found out some little twit that was besties with the managers boss got the role.
I'll take my loss if it was fair. When I found out about this from someone that worked there I almost lost my shit. I was going to lambast the DM via email but why bother?

Sorry to hear that happened. I have experienced this as well and have talked to many people in the organization who had similar experience. The favoritism and nepotism happens in all companies, but I think it happens more frequently here in my opinion. It’s human nature to hire and promote who you know, who is a friend of a friend, or a friend of an important person. What stops this unbiased practice from happening are checks and balances—more layers/people involved in the interview. The hiring manager should not be able to pick who is the other manager helping to interview. This should be randomly assigned. Because what you get is someone who will agree with their buddy. And it should be more than two people. Other companies do have more layers in the hiring process and therefore it doesn’t boil down to one person’s favorite, someone’s relative, the best looking one, or the personal friend of the RBD/DBM. Good luck to you. There are many opportunities out there.

 

[anonymous]

Sounds as bad as the PA region.

 

[anonymous]

You should be happy that we don’t all start from scratch and that our entire professional experience is only an hour long interview. Hiring managers have favorites for a reason - past experience with a candidate and a body of work that they have seen and can trust. Build a better network, and you won’t rely solely on the impression you leave in an hour long interview. I laugh at the idea of that not being “fair” - it would be incredibly unfair for a hiring manager to treat 2 candidates exactly the same when they’ve known one for years and the other is a complete stranger until the interview. The two candidates aren’t the same to the manager, so they shouldn’t be treated the same. That’s fair.

Or it could very well be a case of "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" and returning a favor by hiring the referral of a former colleague/friend, despite that candidate's lack of experience for the position. This happened to me at least twice over the years when I was denied an opportunity for which I was very much qualified - I had experience selling in the therapeutic space, knew the territory (had some relationships with KOL's in the territory), and was referred by a well-respected rep who had been with the company for several years. In another case, with similar dynamics at play, I lost out to a guy who had limited industry experience and who had never sold in the territory or the space. The hiring manager in each case was clearly doing someone a favor by providing the opportunity to the lesser candidate. In each case the reps who referred me were dumbfounded by the hiring manager's decision - they knew that I was a great candidate (believed I was the best) and would not have referred me otherwise. They informed me of the outcomes as, after the interviews, I was ghosted, then received "Thanks, but no thanks" rejection emails weeks later. The reps referring me thought that they knew their hiring managers, and had spoke well of me when they made the referral, but they weren't mind-readers. The hiring decisions of these managers did not seem logical to me, the reps who referred me, or anyone else. Either the managers were doing someone a favor, or they had pressure on them to hire that particular candidate, or a combination of both. Really shitty! If you've worked in the industry long enough, maybe you've had similar experiences.

 

[anonymous]

Or it could very well be a case of "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" and returning a favor by hiring the referral of a former colleague/friend, despite that candidate's lack of experience for the position. This happened to me at least twice over the years when I was denied an opportunity for which I was very much qualified - I had experience selling in the therapeutic space, knew the territory (had some relationships with KOL's in the territory), and was referred by a well-respected rep who had been with the company for several years. In another case, with similar dynamics at play, I lost out to a guy who had limited industry experience and who had never sold in the territory or the space. The hiring manager in each case was clearly doing someone a favor by providing the opportunity to the lesser candidate. In each case the reps who referred me were dumbfounded by the hiring manager's decision - they knew that I was a great candidate (believed I was the best) and would not have referred me otherwise. They informed me of the outcomes as, after the interviews, I was ghosted, then received "Thanks, but no thanks" rejection emails weeks later. The reps referring me thought that they knew their hiring managers, and had spoke well of me when they made the referral, but they weren't mind-readers. The hiring decisions of these managers did not seem logical to me, the reps who referred me, or anyone else. Either the managers were doing someone a favor, or they had pressure on them to hire that particular candidate, or a combination of both. Really shitty! If you've worked in the industry long enough, maybe you've had similar experiences.

Your entire argument is based upon a belief that managers knowingly hire someone who won’t be as good as you are - that they’ll purposely sabotage their own team and performance so they can keep a buddy of theirs happy. Sorry, but that sounds like BS. Just b/c you and a couple of other reps thought you were the stronger candidate doesn’t mean you actually were. Just like you, managers like to make as much bonus as they can, and they do that by hiring the best team. You lost out on an opportunity to someone who was better than you in the eyes of the hiring manager. It’s happened to all of us. Don’t pretend that something nefarious was at play b/c you didn’t get a job you wanted. Lots of factors at play in hiring the right person, the least of which is your own opinion of you vs. the other candidates. Don’t let your ego fool you into believing something that isn’t true.

 

[anonymous]

I interviewed a month ago in Georgia. I was so prepared, an incredibly workable business plan, product knowledge and was a diabetes educator at another company and I found out some little twit that was besties with the managers boss got the role.
I'll take my loss if it was fair. When I found out about this from someone that worked there I almost lost my shit. I was going to lambast the DM via email but why bother?

That's funny. A rep with "an incredibly workable business plan."

 

[anonymous]

Your entire argument is based upon a belief that managers knowingly hire someone who won’t be as good as you are - that they’ll purposely sabotage their own team and performance so they can keep a buddy of theirs happy. Sorry, but that sounds like BS. Just b/c you and a couple of other reps thought you were the stronger candidate doesn’t mean you actually were. Just like you, managers like to make as much bonus as they can, and they do that by hiring the best team. You lost out on an opportunity to someone who was better than you in the eyes of the hiring manager. It’s happened to all of us. Don’t pretend that something nefarious was at play b/c you didn’t get a job you wanted. Lots of factors at play in hiring the right person, the least of which is your own opinion of you vs. the other candidates. Don’t let your ego fool you into believing something that isn’t true.

you are not operating in reality if you don’t believe favoritism and who you know occur in hiring. The most qualified person isn’t chosen sometimes. Your a turd

 

[anonymous]

Or it could very well be a case of "You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" and returning a favor by hiring the referral of a former colleague/friend, despite that candidate's lack of experience for the position. This happened to me at least twice over the years when I was denied an opportunity for which I was very much qualified - I had experience selling in the therapeutic space, knew the territory (had some relationships with KOL's in the territory), and was referred by a well-respected rep who had been with the company for several years. In another case, with similar dynamics at play, I lost out to a guy who had limited industry experience and who had never sold in the territory or the space. The hiring manager in each case was clearly doing someone a favor by providing the opportunity to the lesser candidate. In each case the reps who referred me were dumbfounded by the hiring manager's decision - they knew that I was a great candidate (believed I was the best) and would not have referred me otherwise. They informed me of the outcomes as, after the interviews, I was ghosted, then received "Thanks, but no thanks" rejection emails weeks later. The reps referring me thought that they knew their hiring managers, and had spoke well of me when they made the referral, but they weren't mind-readers. The hiring decisions of these managers did not seem logical to me, the reps who referred me, or anyone else. Either the managers were doing someone a favor, or they had pressure on them to hire that particular candidate, or a combination of both. Really shitty! If you've worked in the industry long enough, maybe you've had similar experiences.

I was once interviewed and hired at a company where the DM wasn't even a part of the hiring process! That should be industry standard! Kiss my ass manager who only hires people in the rainbow coalition

 

[anonymous]

you are not operating in reality if you don’t believe favoritism and who you know occur in hiring. The most qualified person isn’t chosen sometimes. Your a turd

A hiring manager’s favorite is ALWAYS the one they think will do the best job. Sometimes that’s not you. Why is that so hard for you to believe? Plenty of factors influence how a hiring manager determines who they think will do the best job. Your definition of “most qualified” may not match the hiring manager’s definition - the only difference is that your definition of “most qualified” doesn’t matter. Only the hiring manager’s does, because they are the ones doing the hiring. But, you live in a fantasy world if you think a manager would believe you to be the best candidate, but they hire someone else. You just weren’t the best. Sorry.

 

[anonymous]

A hiring manager’s favorite is ALWAYS the one they think will do the best job. Sometimes that’s not you. Why is that so hard for you to believe? Plenty of factors influence how a hiring manager determines who they think will do the best job. Your definition of “most qualified” may not match the hiring manager’s definition - the only difference is that your definition of “most qualified” doesn’t matter. Only the hiring manager’s does, because they are the ones doing the hiring. But, you live in a fantasy world if you think a manager would believe you to be the best candidate, but they hire someone else. You just weren’t the best. Sorry.

These posts make for an interesting read. My first point is that hiring and promoting cronies or sycophants is a real thing. for example, if you were around here 13 years ago or so, you may remember your colleagues from NY-NJ whisper about Da Jersey Boys!

My 2nd point is that I have to confess that I thought that the true purpose of the posts was to meander along for a few days, and then end the story with the 20 year old Pharma Industry urban legend where HR and/or the hiring manager contacts the losing candidate privately and whispers: "I'm sorry, you were the best candidate by far, but we have to hire more LBGTQ+, so..."

 

[anonymous]

These posts make for an interesting read. My first point is that hiring and promoting cronies or sycophants is a real thing. for example, if you were around here 13 years ago or so, you may remember your colleagues from NY-NJ whisper about Da Jersey Boys!

My 2nd point is that I have to confess that I thought that the true purpose of the posts was to meander along for a few days, and then end the story with the 20 year old Pharma Industry urban legend where HR and/or the hiring manager contacts the losing candidate privately and whispers: "I'm sorry, you were the best candidate by far, but we have to hire more LBGTQ+, so..."

Yeah, I remember the complaints about “Da Jersey Boys.” Apparently hiring people from New Jersey for positions in NY and NJ ruffled some feathers for some folks. Who knew?

But again, I would argue that there wasn’t a single manager who made a hire, even with Da Jersey Boys, where the manager thought the person they were hiring was inferior to other candidates. There are cases where you know someone that you hire, but you knowing them is part of what drives your confidence in believing that person to be the best hire. I’m sorry that your hour long interview doesn’t trump 5 years of a positive personal & professional relationship with someone else, but it just doesn’t. You’re not better just because you think you are.