How is the Krystexxa launch going

which territory are you covering? I guess every RHU is different.



No you miss the point, most rheumy do not treat chronic refractory gout, they refer this to the specialty rhuems at the big clinics ( i have like 2 major hubs in my territory) they get all the difficult to treat cases with RA and chronic refractory gout. NO office based RHeumy is going to infuse Krystexxa, they are going to filter to a specialist and you better hope that hospital is willing to play ball with yet another new infusion with a high price tag. They learned the hard way with the influx of biologics over the last 5-7 yrs. You seem to not understand this market and that very few territories are actually going to have rheumatologists who are ever going to be seeing or treating these patienats, thats just not real dude. not at all.. I think this board has been infested by the yahoo clowns i was reading about in the other threads, you people are lightyears away from understanding this. Please stick to the "investor boards" not Cafe Pharma. I hope your investment pays off, for all of US- we are in this together in a sense. You make your money, we keep our jobs. Quid pro quo.
 






Ditto that. bump. I am relying on an old war buddy from Remi and Enbrel, my biggest targets are all skeptical as all shit, they want certain promises about payers and I am not going to burn bridges with them for that sake of a few infusions, it could cost me my job but I am not going to ruin 15 years of relations over a reimbursement hitch that we cannot control. Hospitals use to offset so much of this concern, now all my Rheums refer the refractory gout to the infusion centers, which are the hospitals, which are all covered by the private health network where Krystexxa has no formulary or tier payment and the hospitals aint going eat the bill like they did with other buy and bills like the glory days. I hear loud and clear what you are saying. Keep yur head up, and keep looking, and remember we all took a big risk here and we need to keep our families first when it comes to job choices. I know I sure as hell am not stopping my options with looking for more stable work. Not sure if that even exists anymore, this industry is being replaced with contract reps for short term stints and they are paying them half with no fleet vehicles. Biogen, J&J, COBI, to name a few who are now on the contract kick with hiring in CSO's and dropping the deadwood from their territories with the tenured high base salaries. Its down right frightening.

With your attitude, you have every reason to be frightened.
 






No you miss the point, most rheumy do not treat chronic refractory gout, they refer this to the specialty rhuems at the big clinics ( i have like 2 major hubs in my territory) they get all the difficult to treat cases with RA and chronic refractory gout. NO office based RHeumy is going to infuse Krystexxa, they are going to filter to a specialist and you better hope that hospital is willing to play ball with yet another new infusion with a high price tag. They learned the hard way with the influx of biologics over the last 5-7 yrs. You seem to not understand this market and that very few territories are actually going to have rheumatologists who are ever going to be seeing or treating these patienats, thats just not real dude. not at all.. I think this board has been infested by the yahoo clowns i was reading about in the other threads, you people are lightyears away from understanding this. Please stick to the "investor boards" not Cafe Pharma. I hope your investment pays off, for all of US- we are in this together in a sense. You make your money, we keep our jobs. Quid pro quo.



Great post! My manager has actually made comments warning us to ignore the message boards and to not be brought down by the negativity. My thought is that if this even has to be said, it is already a problem. Now back to the original topic, I am seeing the same thing with my Rhuems. Some are interested some are not, that is to be expected. Some do not even treat this type of gout patient or easily brush off the the idea of kryst. due to the cost and protocol that is non existent with managed care, even with our hotline which does nothing in reality.
My big guys and gals that I thought would jump on this are only willing to talk about how they can make money off offering this to a few patients in their infusion bays and chairs in the office. Those are the only docs I have had who even took the 2 minutes to listen to anything Kryst. related. The other 95% of them say, "ill wait the 6 months to see where this falls within our formularies".....but the fat cows and staff will eat the free sandwiches and Starbucks. I might just put a feed bag on the nurses heads to keep them quiet. The bigger problem is that if we are only seeing 1 0ut of every 10 docs per day how long will we be on payroll???????????????????????????? Not long. I agree with the poster about the contract rep, and "rent a rep" trend, I can definitely see that making its way to a small bio like Savient in the near future!!!!! Cash those checks now!!!
 






Do you even work in this business let alone this company? You do know that the clinical trials were "free" drug right????? See now it is not free and not covered, those patients are shit out of luck, no more freebies, means no more infusions. The docs want to know how they can turn a buck and make a profit off of this, just like anything else!!!!!!!!. See the difference. Yes there are a few rheumys who are on payroll and consulting (wink wink nod nod) who some reps inherited just by dumb luck, the majority have none of this bullshit going on and we are pissed as our bonus checks will be peanuts and then our jobs will be dust and the contract reps will be in our jobs making 44K and driving a kia with no gas card or amx.


NO this poster is not a rep, they have no idea what they are posting and that clinical trials are free and the real launch is NOT!!! What happened to the this board? When did non pharma reps start posting? Stupid as shit if you ask me. If I dont work in pharma or more like if I dont work at Savient why in the fuck are you posting or reading this board. fucking low life gonads.
 






This is the same Yahoo Message Board poster having an argument with herself. She goes under the following names on Yahoo: BioTekChamp22, Pharmalegd, tedullyia. She pulls the same crap over there, pretending to work for a biotech advisory firm, a Fortune 5 company, Johnson & Johnson, and is someone who knows and has previously managed 15 Savient reps (who she says are all bottom of the barrel). Over here she claims to be a dissatisfied Savient employee, while over there she claims no one worth anything would be willing to work for a "D level" company like Savient. Otherwise, it's the same stuff. She'll post something under her BioTekChamp22 nickname, and then immediately respond as Pharmalegd using the exact same words as she does over here. It's kind of pathetic, really.
 






NO this poster is not a rep, they have no idea what they are posting and that clinical trials are free and the real launch is NOT!!! What happened to the this board? When did non pharma reps start posting? Stupid as shit if you ask me. If I dont work in pharma or more like if I dont work at Savient why in the fuck are you posting or reading this board. fucking low life gonads.

Are you sure that just because every third word they use is not profanity, they can't be Savient reps? There are some professionals here, my friend.
 






This is the same Yahoo Message Board poster having an argument with herself. She goes under the following names on Yahoo: BioTekChamp22, Pharmalegd, tedullyia. She pulls the same crap over there, pretending to work for a biotech advisory firm, a Fortune 5 company, Johnson & Johnson, and is someone who knows and has previously managed 15 Savient reps (who she says are all bottom of the barrel). Over here she claims to be a dissatisfied Savient employee, while over there she claims no one worth anything would be willing to work for a "D level" company like Savient. Otherwise, it's the same stuff. She'll post something under her BioTekChamp22 nickname, and then immediately respond as Pharmalegd using the exact same words as she does over here. It's kind of pathetic, really.



Another Yahoo poster on our board, please go away. We don't care about who posts on Yahoo or any of this ID switching. Out of curiosity I just read the yahoo colum for the first time and this bioteck22 sounds like many of the people who work at Savient currently, I would not be to quick to think that it is a female either. I have heard many male reps and females speak very similarly about this company and launch plan+product+insurnace. I got to be straight with ya what this person says are pretty legit but this entire industry is a shitstorm these days that it is all to familiar. I read what you read and bioteck22 sounds like every other consultant that I have spoken to about this drug. Not sure what your question is but it is all legit.
 






This is the same Yahoo Message Board poster having an argument with herself. She goes under the following names on Yahoo: BioTekChamp22, Pharmalegd, tedullyia. She pulls the same crap over there, pretending to work for a biotech advisory firm, a Fortune 5 company, Johnson & Johnson, and is someone who knows and has previously managed 15 Savient reps (who she says are all bottom of the barrel). Over here she claims to be a dissatisfied Savient employee, while over there she claims no one worth anything would be willing to work for a "D level" company like Savient. Otherwise, it's the same stuff. She'll post something under her BioTekChamp22 nickname, and then immediately respond as Pharmalegd using the exact same words as she does over here. It's kind of pathetic, really.



No what is more pathetic is that you felt the need to come on our board and post this. That is really really really fucking sad. Please go away and play your penny stock games somewhere where people give a rats ass!! Why are you so infatuated with this? There are lots of questions about this company and its product, leadership, and future. It is not a shock that a fucking person or people would be questioning this company and drug. It is very possible that this poster that you are stalking did manage quite a few current employees here, but who fucking cares. This is a small industry and when you factor in buy and bill it is very small. We all know each other- we know the RBD's who are full of shit and got pushed in due to politics and we know the reps that could not sell ice to eskimos who have no business being employed as well. In the end, we don't care we just want to make a decent bonus and have some job stability for a year or so and then move on. Stop posting on our board and your infatuation with this poster is friggen creepy. Get a hobby dork!!
 






Another Yahoo poster on our board, please go away. We don't care about who posts on Yahoo or any of this ID switching. Out of curiosity I just read the yahoo colum for the first time and this bioteck22 sounds like many of the people who work at Savient currently, I would not be to quick to think that it is a female either. I have heard many male reps and females speak very similarly about this company and launch plan+product+insurnace. I got to be straight with ya what this person says are pretty legit but this entire industry is a shitstorm these days that it is all to familiar. I read what you read and bioteck22 sounds like every other consultant that I have spoken to about this drug. Not sure what your question is but it is all legit.

You are pathetic. Here's a post from the Yahoo board where you are using your Pharmalegd ID. There too, you support yourself under the "bioteck22" ID (no one else uses that misspelling. Clever, pretending to be a different poster and reinforcing that by deliberately misspelling your own ID).

pharmalegd said:
keep your trap shut, you have been one of the biggest pumping morons on this board, you should read biotek22 posts and broaden your "big picture" understanding and stop posting irrelevant "coverage" lists that have no correlation to K payment or reimbursement. You clearly are a troll and have no background in this biz, it is like a 5th grader trying to attend Harvard. It does not happen, when I look at bioteck22 posts ALL I SEE ARE FACTS AND NUGGETS OF EXPERIENCE that are spot on to this drug and little engine that couldn't called savient.

As someone who has the exp. that you DO NOT, it is easy to comprehend and follow the champs posts and correlate them to real world fact and forecasting. You are a slow learner, that is "crystal clear".....

Then, later in the same thread, when you were called out on posting under a different ID, you offered this nugget, claiming never to have been on CafePharma (just like you claim never to have been on Yahoo over here):

pharmalegd said:
You are wrong, like usual on all accusations and accounts. Never been on CAfe Pharma, I am not a rep, I am a director. Secondly, you are the most illogical pumper I have ever come across in my board reading. Your posts tell me that, I know the champ, they are one of the most well renown and highly respected consultants in this biz, you either understand them or you dont, someone with your quality of experience and knowledge base does not understand the champ, but that is because you are naive and stupid.

Sorry, dont take that the wrong way, I don't care that you are slow or hold that against you, but when you run your trap like you do and post like you do and all the irregular opinions and pumping it is so evident that you are not experienced and carry no value or merit to anyone who actually would be considering investing in this train wreck of a company. Your assumptions are crazy and you are pulling at straws that have no logical value.

I can assure you, neither myself or the champ have any desire to work with, tried to work with, or would enter business with a company like Savient. We are big leaguers, not junior varsity.

You are truly a pathological liar. You'll just say anything, anytime. Do you even know that it's wrong to lie, or do you just not care?
 






You are pathetic. Here's a post from the Yahoo board where you are using your Pharmalegd ID. There too, you support yourself under the "bioteck22" ID (no one else uses that misspelling. Clever, pretending to be a different poster and reinforcing that by deliberately misspelling your own ID).



Then, later in the same thread, when you were called out on posting under a different ID, you offered this nugget, claiming never to have been on CafePharma (just like you claim never to have been on Yahoo over here):



You are truly a pathological liar. You'll just say anything, anytime. Do you even know that it's wrong to lie, or do you just not care?







Nobody cares, give it up looosssseeerrrrrrrrrrrrr!
 






No what is more pathetic is that you felt the need to come on our board and post this. That is really really really fucking sad. Please go away and play your penny stock games somewhere where people give a rats ass!! Why are you so infatuated with this? There are lots of questions about this company and its product, leadership, and future. It is not a shock that a fucking person or people would be questioning this company and drug. It is very possible that this poster that you are stalking did manage quite a few current employees here, but who fucking cares. This is a small industry and when you factor in buy and bill it is very small. We all know each other- we know the RBD's who are full of shit and got pushed in due to politics and we know the reps that could not sell ice to eskimos who have no business being employed as well. In the end, we don't care we just want to make a decent bonus and have some job stability for a year or so and then move on. Stop posting on our board and your infatuation with this poster is friggen creepy. Get a hobby dork!!



This post seems about right to me.
 






Nobody cares, give it up looosssseeerrrrrrrrrrrrr!

No one cares that you go on WebMD and post that you're a patient who used Krystexxa "over your doctor's objections" and that insurance "only picked up 10%."

No one cares that you're the scourge of Yahoo, with multiple IDs who posts 4 or 5 messages a day bashing Savient, and denies ever posting to Cafe Pharma.

No one cares that you're the scourge of the Cafe Pharma Savient board, having tried to sabotage the hiring process, then lied about being a Savient rep after that didn't work, and now you're trying to lie about the Krystexxa launch failing.

I would probably feel sorry for you, if you had any redeeming qualities whatsoever. You're just an adulterer who will do anything, even sleep with other people's husbands, to get a sale. Homewrecking hussy.
 






I bet the only thing that can bring you to orgasm while some fat, sweaty doctor is pumping away at your blue taco is fantasizing about your commission and your end of the year bonus.
 






No one cares that you go on WebMD and post that you're a patient who used Krystexxa "over your doctor's objections" and that insurance "only picked up 10%."

No one cares that you're the scourge of Yahoo, with multiple IDs who posts 4 or 5 messages a day bashing Savient, and denies ever posting to Cafe Pharma.

No one cares that you're the scourge of the Cafe Pharma Savient board, having tried to sabotage the hiring process, then lied about being a Savient rep after that didn't work, and now you're trying to lie about the Krystexxa launch failing.

I would probably feel sorry for you, if you had any redeeming qualities whatsoever. You're just an adulterer who will do anything, even sleep with other people's husbands, to get a sale. Homewrecking hussy.



Hysterical!!!! As a male rep who has always felt that we are discriminated against as the female cheerleaders blow and fuck their way into good FCR's and merit increases it is great to see that others feel the same way! I don't know how many female reps have manipulated their way into the district pet role or that phantom promotion to DM after 12 months in the field but I would bet those late night wrap arounds and booseing it up with the RD and DM at launch meetings with those buttery nips didnt hurt!! Aahahahhhhahahhaha....so funny! keep it coming. Oh and the muliple Ids on Yahoo, careful about pointing the finger, I have friends who invest and they all use a handle of ID's on the yahoo boards so I wouldn't get my panties all messed up over that, it is very common and standard practice. I think it is funny that a freak like you is so interested in such a small little company it really is comical but I enjoy it so please keep jumping boards with your stories it is classic shit man! Luv it. I am surprised that people actually put their hard earned money into this stock but to each their own? For the record I do not know of anyone at our company that even reads or is aware that yahoo has a savient board so keep that in mind when you post here, not a person will know what the hell you are referring too but I do as my brother works for GS.
 












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1. Re: Where is ops.team and the bioCHUMP and losingdoe?
... to work at Savient, which makes his posts even more hysterical, it is not even a "c" rated pharma, and trust me I would know...
Business & Finance > Investments > Stocks (A to Z) > Stocks S > Savient Pharmaceuticals, Inc. biotekchamp22 4-Mar-11 08:54 pm

2. Re: The Acute Gout Drug Market Will Triple In Size
Amusing guess work on my career choice. Keep it up, it gets more hysterical as you guess. Obviously I work and have first line experience with product launches...
Business & Finance > Investments > Stocks (A to Z) > Stocks S > Savient Pharmaceuticals, Inc. biotekchamp22 9-Feb-11 04:21 pm

3. Re: New CEO buys about $10 million in shares
... obsession with wanting to try and carry the bag, guy you have some deep seeded problems, but keep posting, it is hysterical.
Business & Finance > Investments > Stocks (A to Z) > Stocks S > Savient Pharmaceuticals, Inc. biotekchamp22 7-Feb-11 04:37 pm
 






No one cares that you go on WebMD and post that you're a patient who used Krystexxa "over your doctor's objections" and that insurance "only picked up 10%."

No one cares that you're the scourge of Yahoo, with multiple IDs who posts 4 or 5 messages a day bashing Savient, and denies ever posting to Cafe Pharma.

No one cares that you're the scourge of the Cafe Pharma Savient board, having tried to sabotage the hiring process, then lied about being a Savient rep after that didn't work, and now you're trying to lie about the Krystexxa launch failing.

I would probably feel sorry for you, if you had any redeeming qualities whatsoever. You're just an adulterer who will do anything, even sleep with other people's husbands, to get a sale. Homewrecking hussy.




Web Md has a chat board? Interesting, I am learning so much about you loser chat board dungeon and dragon nerds today! Krystexxa cost the patient 90% out of pocket, wow that is better than what I have been told, my docs are saying that their pat. are going to pay for the full 2300 out of pocket and that he instructed them that insurance would not be paying for any of it that fact that you are saying that 10% is being picked up is news to us, we are under the impression that ZERO is being picked up at this stage. You are a mountain of hot air but very entertaining, how much did you buy of this stock, milllions trillions? Why so much interest in this? Fascinating or stupid, not sure which one yet.
 






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1. Re: Sales Will Suprise
...evidence or fact would you "see a strong ramp up" on sales by end of Qtr? due share, fascinating comment. all indicators we see show slow adaption, conservative approach by a very...
Business & Finance > Investments > Stocks (A to Z) > Stocks S > Savient Pharmaceuticals, Inc. pharmalegd 14-Feb-11 08:44 pm

2. Re: comparison........
...current status to immediately think something like that is terribly amusing.... fascinating. You reps really are a unique bunch!!!
Business & Finance > Investments > Stocks (A to Z) > Stocks S > Savient Pharmaceuticals, Inc. biotekchamp22 1-Feb-11 04:21 pm
 






Web Md has a chat board? Interesting, I am learning so much about you loser chat board dungeon and dragon nerds today! Krystexxa cost the patient 90% out of pocket, wow that is better than what I have been told, my docs are saying that their pat. are going to pay for the full 2300 out of pocket and that he instructed them that insurance would not be paying for any of it that fact that you are saying that 10% is being picked up is news to us, we are under the impression that ZERO is being picked up at this stage. You are a mountain of hot air but very entertaining, how much did you buy of this stock, milllions trillions? Why so much interest in this? Fascinating or stupid, not sure which one yet.


The webmd chat board is actually very good. Lets see how long it takes this nerd to come on here and find the word "actually" from another board and then post it. Hysterical, Funny, Fascinating and Actually. Come back later for your next assignment, goof.
 






The webmd chat board is actually very good. Lets see how long it takes this nerd to come on here and find the word "actually" from another board and then post it. Hysterical, Funny, Fascinating and Actually. Come back later for your next assignment, goof.

It's funny that I accuse you of being BioTekChamp22 and Pharmalegd, and then you use words that only they use on the Savient message board. WHAT A COINCIDENCE! Or, not. Are you still denying that you're the same person, or have you given up on that yet?