How do those of you in your 40s and up do it?

[Anonymous]

I figure by age 40, the idea of being brainwashed and following corporate orders goes out the window, and life and job satisfaction is more important than making money

My question is how do those of you into your 40s and up, still keep a straight face with this job?

Is the mony that important to you?

I did this for about ten years, out of college, and left in my early 30s, because I was not learning anymore, and I finally saw this industry for what it really was: a fraud. Add the micromanagement, and silly doctors, and it was just too much to handle for my mental wel being.

I have been running my own business the last five years, and it does pay about the same. I just work harder, but I don't have to put up with the corporate game. The only advantage of pharma, was that I had less accountability in pharma.

Not trying to pick on anyone here, but I just want to get an idea of how you put up with it all, and my guess was that the money is just too good, but I think there is more to it than just the money, right?

 

[Anonymous]

How do you expect for people to take you seriously when you repeat the same tired made up crap over and over again.

A business makes products that people need/want. A business hires people to carry out the needed functions. People decide to take a job based on the offered compensation. It is just as simple as that. It is no different in any other industry here in the United States.

A post like your's just tells us that you couldn't cut it.

 

[Anonymous]

I figure by age 40, the idea of being brainwashed and following corporate orders goes out the window, and life and job satisfaction is more important than making money

My question is how do those of you into your 40s and up, still keep a straight face with this job?

Is the mony that important to you?

I did this for about ten years, out of college, and left in my early 30s, because I was not learning anymore, and I finally saw this industry for what it really was: a fraud. Add the micromanagement, and silly doctors, and it was just too much to handle for my mental wel being.

I have been running my own business the last five years, and it does pay about the same. I just work harder, but I don't have to put up with the corporate game. The only advantage of pharma, was that I had less accountability in pharma.

Not trying to pick on anyone here, but I just want to get an idea of how you put up with it all, and my guess was that the money is just too good, but I think there is more to it than just the money, right?

Bravo...great post....and so true...I finally got the courage to walk away from my pharma "career" because I could no longer take the amount of corporate crap that was just utterly ridiculous...I am in my 50s now, and will have to lead a very different lifestyle than before...

But life is so much better outside of that toxic world of pharma sales...I think the lying and cheating to survive, (which was required) was making me phyically and emotionally sick...

The industry truly is a fraud at best, and organized crime at the worst...

 

[Anonymous]

How do you expect for people to take you seriously when you repeat the same tired made up crap over and over again.

A business makes products that people need/want. A business hires people to carry out the needed functions. People decide to take a job based on the offered compensation. It is just as simple as that. It is no different in any other industry here in the United States.

A post like your's just tells us that you couldn't cut it.

And a post like yours shows you are somewhat clueless, and intellectually very shallow...

What exactly is "cutting it" in pharma sales?? Being a good enough liar and cheater to survive your days in that mindnumbing job...Does cutting it mean that you are really good at setting up the deli trays at your doctor's offices, or perhaps cutting it means you have mastered the art of balancing multiple Starbucks coffee holders...Maybe your skills selecting a dozen assorted donuts or bagels shows the job skills you have learned, and that you are cutting it in pharma sales...

Get lost loser...

 

[Anonymous]

And a post like yours shows you are somewhat clueless, and intellectually very shallow...

What exactly is "cutting it" in pharma sales?? Being a good enough liar and cheater to survive your days in that mindnumbing job...Does cutting it mean that you are really good at setting up the deli trays at your doctor's offices, or perhaps cutting it means you have mastered the art of balancing multiple Starbucks coffee holders...Maybe your skills selecting a dozen assorted donuts or bagels shows the job skills you have learned, and that you are cutting it in pharma sales...

Get lost loser...

Ya, that person is nuts.

And I think it has to do with the toxic environment that you mention about pharma and how that toxic environment changes people.

Its takes time for people to come out of it.

And I think (I know, but not 100 percent sure) that is why pharma companies today will ALWAYS hire a recent college grad with a good GPA over someone with experience. Look at the people that are getting these jobs and that stay in it: you have the recent college grads or those that have not sold anything outside of pharma.

They brainwash these people with "we focus on the patients and their health", when that is BS. Look at the anti-depressants out there. Are they really helping?

See, you can convince a recent college grad that these drugs are great because they are too young to think for themselves, and they want the company car and good money to pay off their student loans. Its easy to get these youngsters to buy into that.

But, you can't do that to a person in their 40s and up, because they see the light. HOwever, if they were also hired out of college and are used to the good money and lifestyle, etc, then they will lie to themselves and say "these drugs are good", and my job is a good job, and I am not brainwashed...

and worse, that I am just providing a business service, like that dummy said earlier.

There are a lot of rich pharma employees out there, but one thing I do notice about them is that most of them are angry and not happy people.

They are mostly in love with money, and can't think for themselves.

 

[Anonymous]

And a post like yours shows you are somewhat clueless, and intellectually very shallow...

What exactly is "cutting it" in pharma sales?? Being a good enough liar and cheater to survive your days in that mindnumbing job...Does cutting it mean that you are really good at setting up the deli trays at your doctor's offices, or perhaps cutting it means you have mastered the art of balancing multiple Starbucks coffee holders...Maybe your skills selecting a dozen assorted donuts or bagels shows the job skills you have learned, and that you are cutting it in pharma sales...

Get lost loser...

So true.

Years ago (pre 2000 mostly), it was a very good sales job, where the rep did have some access and could move sales.

Now, its about hiring strippers to sell to horny male doctors that are "practitioners" (not relevant, even though they think graduating from medical makes them special). I remember when I worked at an office and a rep came in, and the nurse told the doctor that the rep was in to see them, and he asked, "is she hot". Wow. Talk about a joke. These doctors are total jokers for the most part. The higher up you go, the worse they get.

Ya, "cutting it" in pharma is about saying "yes sir" and "do you like starbucks" and how high up the pole can you go.

I went on my last pharma interview a few years ago and had enough after I was asked what my GPA was. Now, I was a 3.5 GPA, but I had 10 plus years of experience and a President's Club, and this idiot is asking about my GPA.

Those of you that are in your 40s and up, and think that asking for a GPA to an experienced rep with accomplishments is ok, are stupid. Worse, you are corporate drones that could never make it outside of the corporate world that value political skills, not selling skills or accomplishment.

Looking back, the corporate world (public companies) are the most socialist/facist organizations that exist. Nothing entreprenrual about pharma sales, and that is why all the great sales people are leaving in drones, and getting replaced with recent college grads with good GPAs but don't know the truth about pharma sales or any corporate sales job.

Advice to recent college grads: go sell for a private company. You will work harder, but you will learn more and get treated better.

Corporate sales, like pharma sales, will leave you mindless and change you for the worse, not only in your professional life but your private life.

 

[Anonymous]

So true.

Years ago (pre 2000 mostly), it was a very good sales job, where the rep did have some access and could move sales.

Now, its about hiring strippers to sell to horny male doctors that are "practitioners" (not relevant, even though they think graduating from medical makes them special). I remember when I worked at an office and a rep came in, and the nurse told the doctor that the rep was in to see them, and he asked, "is she hot". Wow. Talk about a joke. These doctors are total jokers for the most part. The higher up you go, the worse they get.

Ya, "cutting it" in pharma is about saying "yes sir" and "do you like starbucks" and how high up the pole can you go.

I went on my last pharma interview a few years ago and had enough after I was asked what my GPA was. Now, I was a 3.5 GPA, but I had 10 plus years of experience and a President's Club, and this idiot is asking about my GPA.

Those of you that are in your 40s and up, and think that asking for a GPA to an experienced rep with accomplishments is ok, are stupid. Worse, you are corporate drones that could never make it outside of the corporate world that value political skills, not selling skills or accomplishment.

Looking back, the corporate world (public companies) are the most socialist/facist organizations that exist. Nothing entreprenrual about pharma sales, and that is why all the great sales people are leaving in drones, and getting replaced with recent college grads with good GPAs but don't know the truth about pharma sales or any corporate sales job.

Advice to recent college grads: go sell for a private company. You will work harder, but you will learn more and get treated better.

Corporate sales, like pharma sales, will leave you mindless and change you for the worse, not only in your professional life but your private life.

Bbbbbwwwwwaaaahahahahahahahaha.....nice to see you post to yourself 5 times on this thread so that people don't think you are so pathetic. Just a clue next time. Leave some more time spaced between all of your posts as this part of the board doesn't see much action.

 

[Anonymous]

And a post like yours shows you are somewhat clueless, and intellectually very shallow...

What exactly is "cutting it" in pharma sales?? Being a good enough liar and cheater to survive your days in that mindnumbing job...Does cutting it mean that you are really good at setting up the deli trays at your doctor's offices, or perhaps cutting it means you have mastered the art of balancing multiple Starbucks coffee holders...Maybe your skills selecting a dozen assorted donuts or bagels shows the job skills you have learned, and that you are cutting it in pharma sales...

Get lost loser...

Translation: I got busted for making a stupid post, so I will just post over and over again on this lame thread so that people think I made a great post. Hopefully I won't give myself away by doing such a moron move.

 

[Anonymous]

Ya, that person is nuts.

And I think it has to do with the toxic environment that you mention about pharma and how that toxic environment changes people.

Its takes time for people to come out of it.

And I think (I know, but not 100 percent sure) that is why pharma companies today will ALWAYS hire a recent college grad with a good GPA over someone with experience. Look at the people that are getting these jobs and that stay in it: you have the recent college grads or those that have not sold anything outside of pharma.

They brainwash these people with "we focus on the patients and their health", when that is BS. Look at the anti-depressants out there. Are they really helping?

See, you can convince a recent college grad that these drugs are great because they are too young to think for themselves, and they want the company car and good money to pay off their student loans. Its easy to get these youngsters to buy into that.

But, you can't do that to a person in their 40s and up, because they see the light. HOwever, if they were also hired out of college and are used to the good money and lifestyle, etc, then they will lie to themselves and say "these drugs are good", and my job is a good job, and I am not brainwashed...

and worse, that I am just providing a business service, like that dummy said earlier.

There are a lot of rich pharma employees out there, but one thing I do notice about them is that most of them are angry and not happy people.

They are mostly in love with money, and can't think for themselves.

Ya, that person is nuts for disagreeing with me....oops, I mean you.....

 

[Anonymous]

OP here,

I made a couple posts, but the other supporting posts were not from me.

Make a point, or go away.

This is a good discussion, because many vets are getting turned down in the pharma industry right now (probably by 20 or 30 something losers like you).

Have a nice Thanksgiving!

 

[Anonymous]

OP here,

I made a couple posts, but the other supporting posts were not from me.

Make a point, or go away.

This is a good discussion, because many vets are getting turned down in the pharma industry right now (probably by 20 or 30 something losers like you).

Have a nice Thanksgiving!

Yeah, right.....and the Pope is Jewish.

It is just hilarious to watch you morons that can't cut it in pharma coming onto this pharma board to tell us all how we are mircomanaged, or mindless robots or some other lame comment and how all of you escaped to the land of milk and honey. If you life was so great, I doubt you would be coming back here to post your words of wisdom and other insightful comments.

Just run along little boy and we will all be just fine without you coming here to "save" us from the evils of pharma.

 

[Anonymous]

OP here again, I feel like I need to say that because of the dolt that wants to act like a child in this discussion.

Anyway, while I disagree with the poster that is pro pharma, saying it is about sales/business/whatever,

I will praise that person for at least having an opinion.

HOwever, when you come here and leave meaningless posts, you waste time.

My intention with this topic is to just get a sense of the mindset of people that are industry vets, into their 40s and their take on the "job" today.

I know many that are still in it, and ALL of them hate the job. They say the micromanagement is too much and the doctors are a pain and the office staff is a pain as well.

So, what do you do to cope?

 

[Anonymous]

OP here again, I feel like I need to say that because of the dolt that wants to act like a child in this discussion.

Anyway, while I disagree with the poster that is pro pharma, saying it is about sales/business/whatever,

I will praise that person for at least having an opinion.

HOwever, when you come here and leave meaningless posts, you waste time.

My intention with this topic is to just get a sense of the mindset of people that are industry vets, into their 40s and their take on the "job" today.

I know many that are still in it, and ALL of them hate the job. They say the micromanagement is too much and the doctors are a pain and the office staff is a pain as well.

So, what do you do to cope?

Give it up. We know you made all those posts.

This is a pharma board. We are all doing fine, earn a great living and don't need you to "save" us.

Go join a message board for the fast food industry so that you can have chats with your fellow workers.

 

[Anonymous]

OP here again, I feel like I need to say that because of the dolt that wants to act like a child in this discussion.

Anyway, while I disagree with the poster that is pro pharma, saying it is about sales/business/whatever,

I will praise that person for at least having an opinion.

HOwever, when you come here and leave meaningless posts, you waste time.

My intention with this topic is to just get a sense of the mindset of people that are industry vets, into their 40s and their take on the "job" today.

I know many that are still in it, and ALL of them hate the job. They say the micromanagement is too much and the doctors are a pain and the office staff is a pain as well.

So, what do you do to cope?

How do I cope? Well, after a bad day at work, I head over to McDonalds and order a value meal from the guy who couldn't cut it in pharma.........oh wait, that's you!!

 

[Anonymous]

How do I cope? Well, after a bad day at work, I head over to McDonalds and order a value meal from the guy who couldn't cut it in pharma.........oh wait, that's you!!

you need help.

I hope you are a teenager.

If that is not the case, then get help.

I am serious.

 

[Anonymous]

you need help.

I hope you are a teenager.

If that is not the case, then get help.

I am serious.

You want to know who needs help? It is the person that leaves an industry and then starts posting on a chat board for that particular industry (that they no longer belong to) telling current employees about how they are dealing with "micromanagement, silly doctors, etc." and then asks how they "cope".

We really don't need your help, editorials or other comments you moron.

The truth is that you got kicked out and now you drop in on the board in hopes of trying to convince yourself that your life is somehow better now that you are no longer in the industry.

You really are a piece of work.

 

[Anonymous]

You want to know who needs help? It is the person that leaves an industry and then starts posting on a chat board for that particular industry (that they no longer belong to) telling current employees about how they are dealing with "micromanagement, silly doctors, etc." and then asks how they "cope".

We really don't need your help, editorials or other comments you moron.

The truth is that you got kicked out and now you drop in on the board in hopes of trying to convince yourself that your life is somehow better now that you are no longer in the industry.

You really are a piece of work.

You hate your job, don't you?

Worse, you hate your life.

Nobody "acts" the way you do, and enjoys life.

My nickname for you is "issues".

You cope because you love money, that is all I can think of. You get mad at me for exposing pharma for what it is.

You never said, we "cope" because we love to help patients, and our industry is caring. Instead, you attack people that are exposing pharma for what it is.

Enjoy the money you make in your corrupt industry!

Sucker!

 

[Anonymous]

You hate your job, don't you?

Worse, you hate your life.

Nobody "acts" the way you do, and enjoys life.

My nickname for you is "issues".

You cope because you love money, that is all I can think of. You get mad at me for exposing pharma for what it is.

You never said, we "cope" because we love to help patients, and our industry is caring. Instead, you attack people that are exposing pharma for what it is.

Enjoy the money you make in your corrupt industry!

Sucker!

Translation:

I got kicked out of the pharmaceutical business because I was too stupid to handle anything more complex than tying my shoes. I am still a sore loser for getting kicked out, so I will come on a board and make a stupid post about people working in that industry to help make my life feel less pathetic.

I really thought that my post would help me feel more superior over people that have done much better than me in life, but all of this just blew up in my face when someone figured out what I was up to.

All I can do now is try to come up with some lame posts to at least restore what little dignity I have left.

Once again, I have become a loser.

 

[Anonymous]

Translation:

I got kicked out of the pharmaceutical business because I was too stupid to handle anything more complex than tying my shoes. I am still a sore loser for getting kicked out, so I will come on a board and make a stupid post about people working in that industry to help make my life feel less pathetic.

I really thought that my post would help me feel more superior over people that have done much better than me in life, but all of this just blew up in my face when someone figured out what I was up to.

All I can do now is try to come up with some lame posts to at least restore what little dignity I have left.

Once again, I have become a loser.

hey meathead,

come up with a point to this discussion or leave.

You bring no value here with your lying.

You don't know a thing about me, and everyone in the world (except your dumb ass) knows that pharma is a joke.

Happy Thanksgiving Loser!

 

[Anonymous]

You hate your job, don't you?

Worse, you hate your life.

Nobody "acts" the way you do, and enjoys life.

My nickname for you is "issues".

You cope because you love money, that is all I can think of. You get mad at me for exposing pharma for what it is.

You never said, we "cope" because we love to help patients, and our industry is caring. Instead, you attack people that are exposing pharma for what it is.

Enjoy the money you make in your corrupt industry!

Sucker!

Not only do you lie about the OP making multiple posts, but you offer NOTHING to the discussion.

You are such a silly person, you belong in pharma because you can't do anything else.

That is really what it comes down to imo, as the reason why people stay in pharma. That is, they have no clue how to make money outside of the industry, by starting a business or learning how to invest properly (how many pharma reps do you know that live above their means? I know many, for example).

It is left for people like you, you dummy poster, that thinks people actually "cut it" in pharma.

Nobody cuts it in pharma, they just endure the BS. I went through 3 training programs from top companies (and Pfizer was one of them, considered the best and most difficult training program in the industry), so don't lecture me on "I couldn't cut it".

You are such a silly person, and a liar.