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Heartland Home Health

sounds like someone is jealous of the Pharma rep!

No, I think someone is just angry at the world and Cafe Pharma is the one place they've found a voice where they can feel powerful. Consider it therapy.

But seriously, it's funny how pharma reps think they can sell. Pharma reps haven't sold since 1994. That's when the war of numbers began and they all just started adding bodies and 2 min. detail catch phrases. I would bet 85-90% of pharma reps don't even know the half-life of the drug they are promoting right now! They will all deny it and bash me but take a look at all the classified listings for medical products. How many of them distinctly say "please no pharma reps!" That's just like saying "please don't waste our time!".

Truth hurts.
 




No, I think someone is just angry at the world and Cafe Pharma is the one place they've found a voice where they can feel powerful. Consider it therapy.

But seriously, it's funny how pharma reps think they can sell. Pharma reps haven't sold since 1994. That's when the war of numbers began and they all just started adding bodies and 2 min. detail catch phrases. I would bet 85-90% of pharma reps don't even know the half-life of the drug they are promoting right now! They will all deny it and bash me but take a look at all the classified listings for medical products. How many of them distinctly say "please no pharma reps!" That's just like saying "please don't waste our time!".

Truth hurts.

Truth doesn't hurt me one bit.

I'll agree with you that many pharma reps do not know how to sell. I started in Pharma years ago when you really did have to know your stuff and you would engage in 15 min details with the physicians. Back then you needed to have better selling skills. Pharma reps usually aren't granted the opportunity to sell anymore. Doctors only have so much time. They can't possibly give each rep 15 minutes of their time anymore otherwise they would just be seeing reps and no patients.

Kind of sad what the industry has become but it is still a great job. Seriously, where else can you have the quality of life and still earn a decent living?
 








I have never worked for Heartland.....however one of my co-workers came from Heartland. From what they have said along with others, this is a company that takes....takes.....and gives little back to their reps.

I have heard their turnover rate is high!
 




I have never worked for Heartland.....however one of my co-workers came from Heartland. From what they have said along with others, this is a company that takes....takes.....and gives little back to their reps.

I have heard their turnover rate is high!



Are you in Home Health sales now? I heard it is all like that in that industry!??
 




I work for Heartland now. We get mileage ... no company cars. As far as what kind of company it is I have found the benefits to be nice (except ironically for the health insurance). As with all other jobs I have had, it's your own boss who will make or break you and my boss, Manager of Business Development, has been great to work for. Doesn't micro-manage and is usually support when problems arise. I've been with the company for over two years.
 




I work for Heartland now. We get mileage ... no company cars. As far as what kind of company it is I have found the benefits to be nice (except ironically for the health insurance). As with all other jobs I have had, it's your own boss who will make or break you and my boss, Manager of Business Development, has been great to work for. Doesn't micro-manage and is usually support when problems arise. I've been with the company for over two years.

I just applied for a position with Heartland. Do you know how many calls per day are required? Just wondering if it is realistic or not.

Also, what are the benefits like...company match and PTO? Thanks for your input!
 




I have worked for Heartland twice over the last 3 1/2 years. I agree that it is your direct manager that makes the difference as to whether or not you are happy there. Your manager will also dictate how many calls a week you should have. I've had two managers there and they each view it differently. What I will say is that at least 50% of your sales calls should be scheduled. The more scheduled calls you have the fewer sales calls a week you will have because the scheduled calls take time and preperaration. I love the company but not the organizational structure. I do feel like I give more than I get back. The bonus structure has changed three times since I start 3 1/2 years ago. First it was uncapped, then they capped it, and now they deduct 20% when your office doesn't meet it's budgeted operating income or revenue. That sucks! I'm going to another home care agency that compensates for performance and has a more conducive environment for collaboration. At Heartland there is a hierarchy and I have had a difficult time working in that environment. Establish a good working relationship with your manager of business development or RMBD in their place. It's all what you make of it. Love the philosophy - but sometimes I felt like I was the only one that bought into it.
 








I was previous Pharma rep. I loved the job, but it was not true selling. This job is selling, and a great thing to add to the resume! The doctors are tons more receptive to talking to you. Hospice is a great service. I miss the money of pharma, but not the bs. And the constant threat of layoffs, pharma lets us go with no notice. This job can be easy or stressful, depending on your nature and your boss. In pharma, I lost the benefit of doing the job. When it gets to running around and collecting signatures and chatting with staff, it really becomes mundane. I am still weighing the benefits, but thrilled so far with the change! And the training here is outstanding. If you think pharma is the greatest of the great, check what else is out there. This is definitely more rewarding and has job security. I don't have to worry about getting laid off again.
 












Base for new rep. about 40$ can be less. Recent college grads we love because we can get them cheap because they have never made any real money. 37$ most jump on that. The problem down the road is that they never catch up in salary to experienced reps. Even if they get promoted, their current salary is used to calculate increase in percentage deserved. I realize this seems backwards and even detrimental to the company and it actually is because the situation forces the rep to quit asap for higher pay next pharma when realized. I had two managers before getting into management myself that got promoted to manager making 20$ less than me in pay. Crazy deal pharma heirarcy has too much money and wants to look like heros pushing up cheap help to no avail. Back to question experienced reps pending on specialty or not can command 75,000-120,000. Usually in the middle of course. Bonus claimed uncapped virtually by every single company is BS. Bonus range 15,000-30,000. Again in the middle is fair assumption. If your drug sucks though you may not get bonus at all and the whole promise is BS. This happens occasionally you hear in the field. This profession is a dieing profession if you think oppotunities for career are here -you are mistaken. With all the over hired reps(too many reps) pissing off the doctors and the gov't hating pharma so long-decades and the public more and more feeling like from being brainwashed by the media that pharma is bad and corrupt and cheating women and children from free everything. Unfortune that the beginning of the end is instore for pharma reps because they are the face of that problem in alot of folks eyes. Pharma hierary gets to scape goat by laying off reps making it look like cut backs and public through media gets off thinking things are being made fair towards free goods and contol over the markets. Don't get me wrong there is BS in pharma with certain ways of promoting drugs but no doctors are forced to write certain drug. Go Chavez. Take free speech away Obama. Beware. Weird deal. Good Health All.
 




I am trying to understand what the above poster just said. Not real clear and a lot of mumbo jumbo...Are you trying to say that the base for heartland home health is 40K per year? If so that seems extremely low. I know some of the bigger hospice companies pay their reps in excess of 70K in base.
 




I was in pharma for 7 years and I was offered an AL position with Heartland 2 months ago. My base pay is $59,000 with potential of making $36,000 Additional if I reach my goal every month.
Car allowance
Phone
401K
benefits
Much smaller territroy
 




Former Pharma rep of 15 years. Pharma used to be a good job, I got out on a 6 mos. buyout because I hated it. Hospice job found me. The base was slightly lower, went from 68K to 63K, car mileage .53/mile makes up for it. I bought a used loaded luxury car and love driving it. I never ride with anyone (boss) unless I ask them to. We don't currently have laptops although it has been talked about. Basically calls consist of speaking to people who influence the decision of which hospices to recommend to patients. (Social Workers, Dir. of Nursing, Admistrators, Healthcare coordiators, doctors, Medical directors, etc...) Most of these people are easy to reach with minimal planning and I absolutely love my product...a team of nurses, aides, social workers, chaplain, bereavement, volunteers and Medical Director. I believe it definitely is a calling. I happen to work for a non-profit who treats us as professionals. None of my customers expect anything (lunch) from me. We don't have any pharma codes so we still give out pens, pads, event tickets, gifts, lunches or whatever when we want to or feel necessary but it is not a requirement to access them.

Some of the Hospice reps don't seem as polished but I found that "the suit" tends to intimidate and is out of place. I wear them at times but I feel more approachable in business casual. Since starting I have increase our census by 40% and have things going on that will add to that. Hospice is very competitive! Relationships are key but you still have to know how to build them and sell at the same time.

As far as benefits..medical not as good as pharma but average. 401K-average, 18 pdo/year (paid days off), $50/mo cell phone but I don't have any counterparts so hardly use it. I have my own office-in house, meeting usually once a week but I tend to check in at lease 2-3 times a week (not required) mostly I work out of my office at home.

I do not miss anything about pharma, nothing, not a single thing.
 




I have been contacted about a Regional Manager of Business Development position.At this point,I don`t have much information other than the job description.It appears that the position manages managers who,then,manage the field reps.Is this correct? The structure appears to be a little different from what I have worked with in the past since there are Account and Hospital Liasons and Admissions Directors within the span of control.
 




I too worked in Pharma for 10 years. When I first started there was a huge population of Physicians that really wanted to discuss our products and get answers. Towards the end, it was "sign here". How can that give anyone job satisfaction. The constant monitoring of your day and back stabbing counter parts. No thank you. Gave it up in 2006 and have never regreted switching to a HH agency.

Like one of the other posters said, it does require someone with that special something to do this job. It is sometimes very difficult, because a patient dies. But the Physicians really want to talk to you. They care about their patients welfare and will take the time to discuss future plans.

You have to be aailable to your accounts and not mind an occasional call on the weeend or at 10pm from a referral source with something for you.

In my mind, this job has really given me a sesne of puropse. I actually feel like I'm making a difference in the life of a patient and their families. If that's whay you're looking for....Go for it!
 




I was previous Pharma rep. I loved the job, but it was not true selling. This job is selling, and a great thing to add to the resume! The doctors are tons more receptive to talking to you. Hospice is a great service. I miss the money of pharma, but not the bs. And the constant threat of layoffs, pharma lets us go with no notice. This job can be easy or stressful, depending on your nature and your boss. In pharma, I lost the benefit of doing the job. When it gets to running around and collecting signatures and chatting with staff, it really becomes mundane. I am still weighing the benefits, but thrilled so far with the change! And the training here is outstanding. If you think pharma is the greatest of the great, check what else is out there. This is definitely more rewarding and has job security. I don't have to worry about getting laid off again.

I agree. I also am a previous Pharma rep and know this company is hesitant in hiring former pharma reps. Pharma reps are use to the perks...big pay, big rewards. Not here. You need to find what is important to you (in a career). This job can be less stress(no threats of layoffs), more casual, days are easy or hectic. But you have to meet your monthly goals. Good luck on the first day of the month-starting from stratch again. And there is an adjustment to work within a team of professionas and in an office several times a week. I am disappointed in the loss of pay. But nowadays just glad to have a job! My manager is cool, but if you get on the bad side...they push you out. Just watched a rep get fired for not meeting goals. In some ways it is the wolf in sheeps clothing...very very much the same. Sales is sales.
 




Wow, I have to ask, who is the greedy, souless, cold fish that says a "real" sales person would not do hospice.
The truly scary thing about a person like this is that they are actually proud of those attributes. Yikes....
It sould like life needs to knock them a bit to wake them up as to what is truly important in life long term.