Future Bleak

[Anonymous]

The stock value is riding the backs of the employees who will be broken and tossed aside when they are no longer needed.

Valued companies will be absorbed and chopped up to be remnants of their past glory.

Communities will lose people as they are forced to migrate to where the work is after their jobs are gone.

The only way to change the future is to make a change to your life and find a new employer that has a longer time horizon for a company than one or two years.

 

[Anonymous]

Sad but true. They've destroyed B&L.

 

[Anonymous]

Sad but true. They've destroyed B&L.

Funny, i don't feel destroyed at all! Ive got a great bonus coming, i love my company car, best manager, love my partner. Life is really good. Quit complaining. If you don't like it, find something you do. Sitting around moping and whining isn't helping.

 

[Anonymous]

and right now valeant and mckinsey are working out when to cut your job...no security...are you really happy?

 

[Anonymous]

Funny, i don't feel destroyed at all! Ive got a great bonus coming, i love my company car, best manager, love my partner. Life is really good. Quit complaining. If you don't like it, find something you do. Sitting around moping and whining isn't helping.

The comment was about what's happened to the company, not you or your position. Look around you. Organizational health has fallen to a previously inconceivable low. But, enjoy your bonus and your car until one day they are abruptly taken from you in the name of shareholder value.

 

[Anonymous]

Funny, i don't feel destroyed at all! Ive got a great bonus coming, i love my company car, best manager, love my partner. Life is really good. Quit complaining. If you don't like it, find something you do. Sitting around moping and whining isn't helping.

"I love my company car" lol

I love lamp?

 

[Anonymous]

and right now valeant and mckinsey are working out when to cut your job...no security...are you really happy?

It works both ways. You can cut them, they can cut you. Why expect a company to be loyal ? Employees aren't.

This isn't your grandpa's work environment-people no longer stay at the same job for 30 years waiting to get their pension and an engraved Timex watch. We now are more mobile, changing jobs every 5 to 8 years and planning for retirement with a 401K (and hopefully more!)

Can't have it both ways, sweetheart!

Try to be positive in life and you may find things go better for you-at least you'll be happier! Whining and complaining gets you nothing but an ugly personality and saggy face wrinkles.

 

[Anonymous]

R&d Tampa future is bleak!!! No new projects

 

[Anonymous]

The comment was about what's happened to the company, not you or your position. Look around you. Organizational health has fallen to a previously inconceivable low. But, enjoy your bonus and your car until one day they are abruptly taken from you in the name of shareholder value.

Doesn't change my answer. If you are unhappy in your job-with your company, your industry,or even your territory, complaining and whining will do you no good. It won't make things better, nor will you feel better about your situation. Instead, change something!

Change companies, industries, or maybe just change your attitude! I have been in pharma over 20 years. I have seen many many changes-many I have not liked. I have changed companies and have recently considered changing industries. The difference may be attitude! I wake up every morning happy that I have a job & customers that I like, a nice car to drive, decent products to sell, and the possibility of a bonus check for some extras in life.

It's your choice-be happy, or not. Choose to live with the downside and celebrate the positive-if you are in a relationship (married) do the same...if you sit around and dwell on all the nit picky things about your spouse you will never be happy-and probably have a lousy sex life! Get up every morning and celebrate her-and you will get bonuses!

That's all I'm saying.

And, since you don't know me (love the anonymousity) I was with a company gone horrible, a management team that was hateful. I left! Life goes on!

 

[Anonymous]

Doesn't change my answer. If you are unhappy in your job-with your company, your industry,or even your territory, complaining and whining will do you no good. It won't make things better, nor will you feel better about your situation. Instead, change something!

Change companies, industries, or maybe just change your attitude! I have been in pharma over 20 years. I have seen many many changes-many I have not liked. I have changed companies and have recently considered changing industries. The difference may be attitude! I wake up every morning happy that I have a job & customers that I like, a nice car to drive, decent products to sell, and the possibility of a bonus check for some extras in life.

It's your choice-be happy, or not. Choose to live with the downside and celebrate the positive-if you are in a relationship (married) do the same...if you sit around and dwell on all the nit picky things about your spouse you will never be happy-and probably have a lousy sex life! Get up every morning and celebrate her-and you will get bonuses!

That's all I'm saying.

And, since you don't know me (love the anonymousity) I was with a company gone horrible, a management team that was hateful. I left! Life goes on!

Very well said, Mr or Ms. anonymous!!! Change the attitude and the rest will fall in place. You don't sound preachy…..when you're down, it is very hard to pull-thru, but time heals and the right attitude will put your life back on track.

 

[Anonymous]

Very well said, Mr or Ms. anonymous!!! Change the attitude and the rest will fall in place. You don't sound preachy…..when you're down, it is very hard to pull-thru, but time heals and the right attitude will put your life back on track.

Everyone has a different situation and maybe sales groups have a different mindset, but you don't know me or my situation. And many people are in a similar place. Valeant is not for me, and frankly I don't think they deserve me. So I am leaving. Not whining, it is reality. I don't want to work in an environment where you're constantly looking over your shoulder and ALL top management cares about is accumulating obscene amounts of wealth at the expense of innovation, customers, and most of all employees. Sorry, but that doesn't motivate me. I'd rather work for less money and do something worthwhile for mankind while MP and company count their stacks and try to ignore the value to society they destroyed.

If I wanted a career in a financial industry I would have pursued one. Most of us are in this industry for patients, customers, product, employees and shareholders in that order. Must we only make shareholders wealthy at the expense of all others? Not for me. Good luck with your sales when there's nothing left to sell. They are financial architects, arbitragers who add nothing and bleed those who created the value that they now enjoy. Imagine if all companies followed their model, it would set healthcare back 100 years. I'm out.

 

[Anonymous]

Everyone has a different situation and maybe sales groups have a different mindset, but you don't know me or my situation. And many people are in a similar place. Valeant is not for me, and frankly I don't think they deserve me. So I am leaving. Not whining, it is reality. I don't want to work in an environment where you're constantly looking over your shoulder and ALL top management cares about is accumulating obscene amounts of wealth at the expense of innovation, customers, and most of all employees. Sorry, but that doesn't motivate me. I'd rather work for less money and do something worthwhile for mankind while MP and company count their stacks and try to ignore the value to society they destroyed.

If I wanted a career in a financial industry I would have pursued one. Most of us are in this industry for patients, customers, product, employees and shareholders in that order. Must we only make shareholders wealthy at the expense of all others? Not for me. Good luck with your sales when there's nothing left to sell. They are financial architects, arbitragers who add nothing and bleed those who created the value that they now enjoy. Imagine if all companies followed their model, it would set healthcare back 100 years. I'm out.

Good luck! I hope you find a great place that bring you happiness!

 

[Anonymous]

Good luck! I hope you find a great place that bring you happiness!

I was very happy at B+L for 13 years.

Note sure if that was sincere, but thank you.

 

[Anonymous]

Everyone has a different situation and maybe sales groups have a different mindset, but you don't know me or my situation. And many people are in a similar place. Valeant is not for me, and frankly I don't think they deserve me. So I am leaving. Not whining, it is reality. I don't want to work in an environment where you're constantly looking over your shoulder and ALL top management cares about is accumulating obscene amounts of wealth at the expense of innovation, customers, and most of all employees. Sorry, but that doesn't motivate me. I'd rather work for less money and do something worthwhile for mankind while MP and company count their stacks and try to ignore the value to society they destroyed.

If I wanted a career in a financial industry I would have pursued one. Most of us are in this industry for patients, customers, product, employees and shareholders in that order. Must we only make shareholders wealthy at the expense of all others? Not for me. Good luck with your sales when there's nothing left to sell. They are financial architects, arbitragers who add nothing and bleed those who created the value that they now enjoy. Imagine if all companies followed their model, it would set healthcare back 100 years. I'm out.

Some people seem to have forgotten this is a business. You make money by giving customers what they want or need and you stay in business by creating a return for shareholders.

If you think "product" as an entity comes before shareholders you belong in some archaic backwater inventing things nobody wants. As for employees coming before shareholders ...sounds great, was that communism ? I thought that collapsed. Good luck elsewhere but I think you are in for a shock. You may find it difficult to find another cosy slack pre-Valeant B+L. That concept is as alive as Kodak.

Come back and tell us in 6 months how your quest to help mankind is working out for you. I'm guessing you will get work as a greeter in a ribs restaurant. I'm loving watching the dead wood and the moaners leave.

 

[Anonymous]

I was very happy at B+L for 13 years.

Note sure if that was sincere, but thank you.

Sincere.

Remember, I came from a company gone BAD, very BAD. So I hope you find something to make you happy. I truly believe that if you are not happy you should leave (not beingrude, but it sounds rude!)..to find happiness. We spend the majority of our lives at work, so it pays to be happy. Change is good! Embrace it!

 

[Anonymous]

Some people seem to have forgotten this is a business. You make money by giving customers what they want or need and you stay in business by creating a return for shareholders.

If you think "product" as an entity comes before shareholders you belong in some archaic backwater inventing things nobody wants. As for employees coming before shareholders ...sounds great, was that communism ? I thought that collapsed. Good luck elsewhere but I think you are in for a shock. You may find it difficult to find another cosy slack pre-Valeant B+L. That concept is as alive as Kodak.

Come back and tell us in 6 months how your quest to help mankind is working out for you. I'm guessing you will get work as a greeter in a ribs restaurant. I'm loving watching the dead wood and the moaners leave.

You'll fit in perfectly at Valeant. And by the way, I'm more likely to own the rib joint than work there. So when they decide they need your salary to pass on to shareholders, maybe I'll have something for you.

 

[Anonymous]

You'll fit in perfectly at Valeant. And by the way, I'm more likely to own the rib joint than work there. So when they decide they need your salary to pass on to shareholders, maybe I'll have something for you.

Thanks ! But I think I'm happy to stay in the medical device industry, whoever I work for. As the other poster said, do whatever makes you happy. And don't ever assume an employer/employee relationship is a forever deal. But tell me Employees before shareholders. What will you call the restaurant ?

"Who ate all the ribs (before opening godammit?)"
"The Rib-Eye" (Respect to Mr Bausch and Mr Lomb for the good ol' days)

But really this thread has a terrible name. Embrace change. If you don't like it, find something new. There is a big world out there and it will carry on regardless.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks ! But I think I'm happy to stay in the medical device industry, whoever I work for. As the other poster said, do whatever makes you happy. And don't ever assume an employer/employee relationship is a forever deal. But tell me Employees before shareholders. What will you call the restaurant ?

"Who ate all the ribs (before opening godammit?)"
"The Rib-Eye" (Respect to Mr Bausch and Mr Lomb for the good ol' days)

But really this thread has a terrible name. Embrace change. If you don't like it, find something new. There is a big world out there and it will carry on regardless.

Title: Future Bleak = reality. You said it yourself Valeant puts the needs of employees last. If you enjoy working in a poor work environment then maybe for you the future is a bed of what ever you enjoy sleeping in (leaves, mud, manure, dried cock roaches). If that what makes you happy go with it.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks ! But I think I'm happy to stay in the medical device industry, whoever I work for. As the other poster said, do whatever makes you happy. And don't ever assume an employer/employee relationship is a forever deal. But tell me Employees before shareholders. What will you call the restaurant ?

"Who ate all the ribs (before opening godammit?)"
"The Rib-Eye" (Respect to Mr Bausch and Mr Lomb for the good ol' days)

But really this thread has a terrible name. Embrace change. If you don't like it, find something new. There is a big world out there and it will carry on regardless.

For the record, I never said companies must put employees before shareholders. I said we're in this business (read: we're motivated by) those things. Try motivating your average engineer or line worker by the shareholder-only message that Valeant promotes, it doesn't work.

I have run business segments and fully understand the obligation to shareholders. In my world, your opinion of this company and environment is in a very small minority. I've not heard a single employee (excluding MP and co.) or customer make a positive statement about Valeant. They really believe that the promise of riches in the form of stock ownership cures all. Well, for many/most it does not.

Take a look at the companies on the best places to work list. Are they neglecting their shareholders? It doesn't have to be this way. Valeant represents the worst of business. Create nothing, destroy jobs and innovation, avoid US taxes, and make a relatively few extremely wealthy. How does that motivate you?

 

[Anonymous]

For the record, I never said companies must put employees before shareholders. I said we're in this business (read: we're motivated by) those things. Try motivating your average engineer or line worker by the shareholder-only message that Valeant promotes, it doesn't work.

I have run business segments and fully understand the obligation to shareholders. In my world, your opinion of this company and environment is in a very small minority. I've not heard a single employee (excluding MP and co.) or customer make a positive statement about Valeant. They really believe that the promise of riches in the form of stock ownership cures all. Well, for many/most it does not.

Take a look at the companies on the best places to work list. Are they neglecting their shareholders? It doesn't have to be this way. Valeant represents the worst of business. Create nothing, destroy jobs and innovation, avoid US taxes, and make a relatively few extremely wealthy. How does that motivate you?

The point I (and maybe the other poster) am trying to make is very clear: you don't like it. You are unhappy. Why keep putting all the negativity out here? You should resign. In fact, do it today! You are so terribly in hate with this company and so against how they do business, how could you prostitute yourself one more day?

Move on. Stop spreading the hate and stirring it up- dragging everyone else down. Resign and go find something you love!

In the meantime, chill with all the negativity! We like it here!