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Anonymous said:
I know for a fact that GSK in the past did call MD's office to verify Rep contact.because I know the Rep who lost his job.
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I talked with a good friend who is an employment lawyer and they said that if you are let go for fake calls, you have a case to sue. Reason is that the job is not possible as laid out, and even if you don't admit it on these boards, everyone has faked a call or you would never be able to hit reach and frequency. Some can't do it because of large geography and others because of low access, but that doesn't mean you aren't working, just that you have been given an impossible job. All companies are the same in the industry. It is a set up and they will use this against you if they have a reason to want to get rid of you because it is easy. If they like you, no one will ever look. If management admits the job is not possible as laid out they will not have their jobs, since there won't be anyone to manage. Do you think they have not noticed there are certain doctors you never take them to see? Their bosses don't want to know either, or some of them will loose their jobs as well, so everyone just pretends the world is flat. The trick to winning a case is that you have to have a couple of people who are currently working, who would testify in order to be credible. Look for some who may be ready to retire and are more concerned with justice than retaining a job right now. You can make the case that this is the industry standard and you are being singled out. If I am ever targeted, I will do this just because it is not fair that they use a cheep, easy way to get rid of people. It is probably why they came up will the whole strategy in the first place. They should have the decency to come up with actual solid reasons for letting someone go.
 




Anonymous said:
I talked with a good friend who is an employment lawyer and they said that if you are let go for fake calls, you have a case to sue. Reason is that the job is not possible as laid out, and even if you don't admit it on these boards, everyone has faked a call or you would never be able to hit reach and frequency. Some can't do it because of large geography and others because of low access, but that doesn't mean you aren't working, just that you have been given an impossible job. All companies are the same in the industry. It is a set up and they will use this against you if they have a reason to want to get rid of you because it is easy. If they like you, no one will ever look. If management admits the job is not possible as laid out they will not have their jobs, since there won't be anyone to manage. Do you think they have not noticed there are certain doctors you never take them to see? Their bosses don't want to know either, or some of them will loose their jobs as well, so everyone just pretends the world is flat. The trick to winning a case is that you have to have a couple of people who are currently working, who would testify in order to be credible. Look for some who may be ready to retire and are more concerned with justice than retaining a job right now. You can make the case that this is the industry standard and you are being singled out. If I am ever targeted, I will do this just because it is not fair that they use a cheep, easy way to get rid of people. It is probably why they came up will the whole strategy in the first place. They should have the decency to come up with actual solid reasons for letting someone go.
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Good luck with that strategy. Get in line to sue them, they have an army of lawyers just waiting and you will be drained of all money by a lawyer before you get it to court. Idiot.
 




















This has been used as grounds for termination for many years. It has also been successfully argued in court by Abbott many times as well. I have had several coworkers who got hit with this charge and some who tried to unsuccessfully fight it.

Its falsification of records, plain and simple. If they call you out on this and have the records to prove it, adios.
 




Anonymous said:
I talked with a good friend who is an employment lawyer and they said that if you are let go for fake calls, you have a case to sue. Reason is that the job is not possible as laid out, and even if you don't admit it on these boards, everyone has faked a call or you would never be able to hit reach and frequency. Some can't do it because of large geography and others because of low access, but that doesn't mean you aren't working, just that you have been given an impossible job. All companies are the same in the industry. It is a set up and they will use this against you if they have a reason to want to get rid of you because it is easy. If they like you, no one will ever look. If management admits the job is not possible as laid out they will not have their jobs, since there won't be anyone to manage. Do you think they have not noticed there are certain doctors you never take them to see? Their bosses don't want to know either, or some of them will loose their jobs as well, so everyone just pretends the world is flat. The trick to winning a case is that you have to have a couple of people who are currently working, who would testify in order to be credible. Look for some who may be ready to retire and are more concerned with justice than retaining a job right now. You can make the case that this is the industry standard and you are being singled out. If I am ever targeted, I will do this just because it is not fair that they use a cheep, easy way to get rid of people. It is probably why they came up will the whole strategy in the first place. They should have the decency to come up with actual solid reasons for letting someone go.
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"Loose" and "Cheep" wow!
 




metrics are impossible to achieve I remember the old days of the Call Plan Achievement report. There was a rep that attained 90% plus on this every quarter and the others called her out to the manager! Manager then rode with rep and made his two day routing and made the rep follow it. Nearly all of those on the routing for the two day ride along were no see doctors with signs and gatekeeper telling her that Doctor never sees reps....She was put on a plan and fired after the 60 days ran up....So not all managers play the game.
 




If they catch you on this, you are gone. Period, the end. No recourse. Its a great way to thin the herd before a layoff to reduce severance pay. Abbott did exactly that many, many times. Oh btw, they often will go back several months in call history and verify doctors' presence, general availability, etc.
They got ya by the balls on this front. If you cheat, you are rolling the dice.
 




Anonymous said:
If they catch you on this, you are gone. Period, the end. No recourse. Its a great way to thin the herd before a layoff to reduce severance pay. Abbott did exactly that many, many times. Oh btw, they often will go back several months in call history and verify doctors' presence, general availability, etc.
They got ya by the balls on this front. If you cheat, you are rolling the dice.
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So far, so good. I've been doing this off and on for a couple of years. My golf handicap is down to single digits. Life is good!!!
 




Anonymous said:
you obviously have not been lucky enough to enjoy the fruits of this gig. Its called being "passionate about the health of the patients." LMAO. Its really all about screwing patients out of their very last dime for their drugs so you can maintain a completely unnecessary workforce who panders to physicians.
Its called riding the wave and right now many of us are just lovin it! Been ridin it for over 20 years and plan to continue as long as they let me.
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You are correct. I have not been "lucky" enough to enjoy the fruits of this gig. I started with Abbott 3 decades ago in hospital devices but during my last 10 years of Abbott I was "demoted" to pharmaceuticals where I found the most unethical people in healthcare (In my opinion, look at Rick G). My conscious would not allow me to compete on this level due to the reach and frequency push which causes much of the falsification of reports. I had the lowest reach and frequency, continued to win all star and other sales achievement awards. Doctors would tell me someone called to "ask marketing questions". Same MD's helped me make the DM's who called squirm when field traveling. I enjoyed the fruits of this gig when I could be honest and ethical but praise God I could get out of it when my colleagues made that more difficult than I could stand.
 




Anonymous said:
I heard from a friend from Chicago that after a nationwide audit of HCPs, management was outraged at the blatant percentage of fake calls that were entered. In fact they were so upset that managers will now be given the green light to launch audits if there is reason to be suspicious of a specific rep. Also HR has granted audit results as sufficient grounds for disciplinary action. It will be interesting to see if the number of calls entered will drop after the word gets out.
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Field managers have ALWAYS had the OK to launch an audit if they suspect a rep. That's just how we roll, at Abbott, and now at AbbVie!
 




Anonymous said:
I talked with a good friend who is an employment lawyer and they said that if you are let go for fake calls, you have a case to sue. Reason is that the job is not possible as laid out, and even if you don't admit it on these boards, everyone has faked a call or you would never be able to hit reach and frequency. Some can't do it because of large geography and others because of low access, but that doesn't mean you aren't working, just that you have been given an impossible job. All companies are the same in the industry. It is a set up and they will use this against you if they have a reason to want to get rid of you because it is easy. If they like you, no one will ever look. If management admits the job is not possible as laid out they will not have their jobs, since there won't be anyone to manage. Do you think they have not noticed there are certain doctors you never take them to see? Their bosses don't want to know either, or some of them will loose their jobs as well, so everyone just pretends the world is flat. The trick to winning a case is that you have to have a couple of people who are currently working, who would testify in order to be credible. Look for some who may be ready to retire and are more concerned with justice than retaining a job right now. You can make the case that this is the industry standard and you are being singled out. If I am ever targeted, I will do this just because it is not fair that they use a cheep, easy way to get rid of people. It is probably why they came up will the whole strategy in the first place. They should have the decency to come up with actual solid reasons for letting someone go.
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You are obviously a moron. We are "at will" employees. The company doesn't even NEED a reason to fire someone, they can just do it, as long as it is not discriminatory in some fashion... age, sex, religion, etc...
 
















Fake call investigation my ass. I routinely lie about 50% of my calls, and have for years. Not only that, I plan on doing it each and every day! They can't find shit in a toilet! They don't ant to discover that 95% of us are lying about calls! What the hell are they going to do about it, fire all of us? I don't think so.
 








Anonymous said:
Fake call investigation my ass. I routinely lie about 50% of my calls, and have for years. Not only that, I plan on doing it each and every day! They can't find shit in a toilet! They don't ant to discover that 95% of us are lying about calls! What the hell are they going to do about it, fire all of us? I don't think so.
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Id say at least 90% of the calls I enter are fake. This is a make believe job!
 




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