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anonymous said:
Yes this is a good starter company.
They mostly hire right off college campuses.
The pay is low. Just do your time, try to get some things on your resume & then go get a better paying job with another company.

Lilly is a day care
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I just couldn’t resist giving my 2 cents here!! I will share a quick story on how drinking the “RED LILLY KOOL-AID (Red Piss H2O)” will certainly get you no where real fast.. SMH.. I was once a Lilly rep and a pretty damned good one too I might add! Did all the extra crapola (projects, mentoring & of course ass kissing) to climb that “Red Lilly Ladder”. Got the promotions & the silly plaques/trophies too… I actually remember touting that I had worked so long & done so well for Lilly, that I was going to be a Lilly-Lifer and had no plans to leave/retire in the future.
Then came the disaster w/ Alex Azar and missing the Alzheimer’s indication.
Just like that, it was over! So, of course I was pissed at first, but it only took about 2 months to land another pharma gig.
I will leave out my new company’s name, but the point is that I am so damned thankful that the AA Shit-Show happened and forced me out the door!
I now hold a very similar type of role/level that I held at Lilly. While my new company has its issues, it does not have all the BS/Propaganda!!!!!!
The reason I felt that way about leaving Lilly I found out very quickly, was because Lilly had done a really good job of making me believe a DAMN LIE!!!
What I mean by that is all the propaganda I was exposed to during all the district meeting where the DM slide whips everyone with how well compensated on both salary/bonuses as compared to other pharma peers… TOTAL HORSESHIT!!!

I started my new career with a 10k base pay raise, upgraded vehicle and a yearly bonus that is targeted at 60k. Coming up on my 5th year now and I have averaged about 70k a year in bonuses with another 28k in base pay on top of the 10k that I got from coming on board. So that’s 38k increase in base and I have plenty of room for increases unlike what I was told at Lilly with already being in the top end of the Executive Rep Scale BS.. SMH

Oh, almost forgot! I never get asked for more without special incentives and the last thing I really missed from my Lilly benefits was the amount of vacation I had stacked up after all those years at Lilly…

Well my company fixed that too recently, so I am as a happy as a rep could ever be!

My only regret in leaving Lilly was all the great people I used work w/ for so long, but many left w/ me or have transitioned out to much less toxic working environments.

Best of luck to you all, and I truly do mean that as I still hold a significant amount of Lilly stock! Great drugs, just absolutely horrible “People Skills” leadership with that Canadian D-Bag Ricks!!!
He has only cared about Wall Street and it shows with his the lack of morality/respect for people…
 






anonymous said:
I just couldn’t resist giving my 2 cents here!! I will share a quick story on how drinking the “RED LILLY KOOL-AID (Red Piss H2O)” will certainly get you no where real fast.. SMH.. I was once a Lilly rep and a pretty damned good one too I might add! Did all the extra crapola (projects, mentoring & of course ass kissing) to climb that “Red Lilly Ladder”. Got the promotions & the silly plaques/trophies too… I actually remember touting that I had worked so long & done so well for Lilly, that I was going to be a Lilly-Lifer and had no plans to leave/retire in the future.
Then came the disaster w/ Alex Azar and missing the Alzheimer’s indication.
Just like that, it was over! So, of course I was pissed at first, but it only took about 2 months to land another pharma gig.
I will leave out my new company’s name, but the point is that I am so damned thankful that the AA Shit-Show happened and forced me out the door!
I now hold a very similar type of role/level that I held at Lilly. While my new company has its issues, it does not have all the BS/Propaganda!!!!!!
The reason I felt that way about leaving Lilly I found out very quickly, was because Lilly had done a really good job of making me believe a DAMN LIE!!!
What I mean by that is all the propaganda I was exposed to during all the district meeting where the DM slide whips everyone with how well compensated on both salary/bonuses as compared to other pharma peers… TOTAL HORSESHIT!!!

I started my new career with a 10k base pay raise, upgraded vehicle and a yearly bonus that is targeted at 60k. Coming up on my 5th year now and I have averaged about 70k a year in bonuses with another 28k in base pay on top of the 10k that I got from coming on board. So that’s 38k increase in base and I have plenty of room for increases unlike what I was told at Lilly with already being in the top end of the Executive Rep Scale BS.. SMH

Oh, almost forgot! I never get asked for more without special incentives and the last thing I really missed from my Lilly benefits was the amount of vacation I had stacked up after all those years at Lilly…

Well my company fixed that too recently, so I am as a happy as a rep could ever be!

My only regret in leaving Lilly was all the great people I used work w/ for so long, but many left w/ me or have transitioned out to much less toxic working environments.

Best of luck to you all, and I truly do mean that as I still hold a significant amount of Lilly stock! Great drugs, just absolutely horrible “People Skills” leadership with that Canadian D-Bag Ricks!!!
He has only cared about Wall Street and it shows with his the lack of morality/respect for people…
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Unfortunately for me I’m stuck working at Lilly right now. I’m working to get out as quickly as possible.
I’ve worked outside of Lilly & the base oay at Lilly is a little below average and the annual target bonus is laughably low.
The awards based off project participation & ass kissing DMs is unlike anything I’ve ever seen.
This is one of the very few companies where your individual performance doesn’t determine your promotions or awards. It is all about playing a game and contributing right before voting time lol. Don’t contribute too early or the voting DMs forget your impact. Don’t contribute too much or they expect more & you get stale. Oh and make sure your kissing the voting DMs ass and asking how you can help them because that’s what drives a company and not performance.
Lilly sure is a disappointing place to work for a company with such a great brand in the pharmacy market. Lilly is for reps that can’t sell & don’t have to endure the pressure of moving business
 












anonymous said:
Unfortunately for me I’m stuck working at Lilly right now. I’m working to get out as quickly as possible.
I’ve worked outside of Lilly & the base oay at Lilly is a little below average and the annual target bonus is laughably low.
The awards based off project participation & ass kissing DMs is unlike anything I’ve ever seen.
This is one of the very few companies where your individual performance doesn’t determine your promotions or awards. It is all about playing a game and contributing right before voting time lol. Don’t contribute too early or the voting DMs forget your impact. Don’t contribute too much or they expect more & you get stale. Oh and make sure your kissing the voting DMs ass and asking how you can help them because that’s what drives a company and not performance.
Lilly sure is a disappointing place to work for a company with such a great brand in the pharmacy market. Lilly is for reps that can’t sell & don’t have to endure the pressure of moving business
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and yet you’re still here. Quit bitching and leave
 






anonymous said:
and yet you’re still here. Quit bitching and leave
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Whooo weee. Look at this guy that is rustled to the max! I must have struck a nerve lol. Did you get promoted or win an award for licking the boots of the voting DMs? Did you put your name on a bunch of projects where you didn’t really participate? Did other reps burn by you in their numbers but you were the one promoted? Hahaha … it’s all good little man. No one thinks much of those that win here.
Heck your DM may have propped you up the whole way. Good for you! Now don’t so end that $70k a year all in one place! And save all $3,500 annual target bonus for vacations and buying nice things ahhh hahaha
 






anonymous said:
Whooo weee. Look at this guy that is rustled to the max! I must have struck a nerve lol. Did you get promoted or win an award for licking the boots of the voting DMs? Did you put your name on a bunch of projects where you didn’t really participate? Did other reps burn by you in their numbers but you were the one promoted? Hahaha … it’s all good little man. No one thinks much of those that win here.
Heck your DM may have propped you up the whole way. Good for you! Now don’t so end that $70k a year all in one place! And save all $3,500 annual target bonus for vacations and buying nice things ahhh hahaha
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anonymous said:
Whooo weee. Look at this guy that is rustled to the max! I must have struck a nerve lol. Did you get promoted or win an award for licking the boots of the voting DMs? Did you put your name on a bunch of projects where you didn’t really participate? Did other reps burn by you in their numbers but you were the one promoted? Hahaha … it’s all good little man. No one thinks much of those that win here.
Heck your DM may have propped you up the whole way. Good for you! Now don’t so end that $70k a year all in one place! And save all $3,500 annual target bonus for vacations and buying nice things ahhh hahaha
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nope not in the Dbu. Another business unit. You need to leave. You are a Bully and need to just go. Someone like you belongs in a job where you really have to earn what you do. It’s not here. Such a weak person.
 






anonymous said:
nope not in the Dbu. Another business unit. You need to leave. You are a Bully and need to just go. Someone like you belongs in a job where you really have to earn what you do. It’s not here. Such a weak person.
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Huh?? Lmfao!! This is the epitome of the Dbu. So many examples of reps not making quota but sliding by with a YES, all because they know the right people. Meanwhile, superior reps, with outrageous quotas that don’t kiss ass, fall victim to the company’s outlandish goal setting because the company takes away our ability to reach our customers during the pandemic. So much more going on here…
 


















anonymous said:
Not in the Dbu. You just need to go. Shaming people isn’t right no matter what you do. Go find another job
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Uh-oh. Sounds like I hit a little too close to home for you.
Trust me. Many are looking to leave for better pay. It’s a hiring market in the pharma works right now & that's why Lilly has a huge turn over problem this year.
The base pay here is meh, annual target commission is uninspiring and getting awards & promotions has nothing to do with best performance (all about relationships with voting DMs).

The only people that like this environment are the ones who can’t impact their territory but can still get promoted hahaha. Plus there’s absolutely no pressure to sell here. Even if you worked your azz off and we’re a top producer there’s no more reward than just being in the top 50%
 






anonymous said:
Uh-oh. Sounds like I hit a little too close to home for you.
Trust me. Many are looking to leave for better pay. It’s a hiring market in the pharma works right now & that's why Lilly has a huge turn over problem this year.
The base pay here is meh, annual target commission is uninspiring and getting awards & promotions has nothing to do with best performance (all about relationships with voting DMs).

The only people that like this environment are the ones who can’t impact their territory but can still get promoted hahaha. Plus there’s absolutely no pressure to sell here. Even if you worked your azz off and we’re a top producer there’s no more reward than just being in the top 50%
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I work hard. Have a top territory NOT in the DBU and appreciate the benefits from my job. You need to leave. Go check the greener grass somewhere else. Your attitude is toxic
 
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anonymous said:
I work hard. Have a top territory NOT in the DBU and appreciate the benefits from my job. You need to leave. Go check the greener grass somewhere else. Your attitude is toxic
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Mmm hmm sure you’re territory is a top territory. Isn’t that what’s so great about an anonymous message board. You can be anything you want to be to fit your narrative.

Lilly isn’t about rewarding to performers broseph. First that’s evident in a capped commission plan that also largely depends on the performance of your district instead of being 100% based on individual performance.

Secondly we all see people that are just barely in the performance equation but make lots of noise right before voting time. It’s the Lilly strategy to look like you are a contributor right before voting time so the voting DMs will think of you lol.
 






anonymous said:
Mmm hmm sure you’re territory is a top territory. Isn’t that what’s so great about an anonymous message board. You can be anything you want to be to fit your narrative.

Lilly isn’t about rewarding to performers broseph. First that’s evident in a capped commission plan that also largely depends on the performance of your district instead of being 100% based on individual performance.




Secondly we all see people that are just barely in the performance equation but make lots of noise right before voting time. It’s the Lilly strategy to look like you are a contributor right before voting time so the voting DMs will think of you lol.
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agree with earlier poster. If you’re that great, and it’s so unfair here, leave. If all you can do is bitch and whine then go find your dream pharma job Mr/Mrs wonderful
 






anonymous said:
agree with earlier poster. If you’re that great, and it’s so unfair here, leave. If all you can do is bitch and whine then go find your dream pharma job Mr/Mrs wonderful
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I’m working on it sugar tits.
And so are a lotta other reps, Nobody believes in the ass kissing project system and you skimpy $24k target bonus lolololol
 






anonymous said:
agree with earlier poster. If you’re that great, and it’s so unfair here, leave. If all you can do is bitch and whine then go find your dream pharma job Mr/Mrs wonderful
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Lilly has some of the highest turn over rate in the industry Chief. People leave for better pay. Home office is at least talking about pay adjustments
 












anonymous said:
and yet you’re still here. Quit bitching and leave
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Look at this loser that doesn’t want the boat rocked lol
Oh no! What would happen if Lilly moved to a system based off performance instead of who made the last impression with their project.
Well it would make your job more difficult because you’d be judged on sakes results. No more hiding for you
 






anonymous said:
You should see how many of the kiss-ass hacks come internally and get promoted through the marketing ranks because they were consistently ly a top performer
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marketing? So they can take a step down and work their way up the proverbial marketing cow path only to wait in line for something higher level? I don’t know if that’s a bigger joke or DN running the DBU. That guy has reached the end. He’s lost his damn mind. Why are so many people covering for him?
 






DN is on a serious power trip. Look at the cronies he has surrounded himself with and now all the way up to Mason. It is embarrassing to see if LS or AK is going to be first to post in a Trams chat to suck up to leadership....or the lack there of
 






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