What's the outlook for DBU in PC in terms of pipeline, job security etc? And base salary for someone with 3 years field experience?
Pipeline looks great but man if you can’t look that up on your own then pharma sales may not be for you. That’s more for home health reps.
Base pay and commission are some of the lowest in the industry. You’ll maybe get paid $60k base depending on where you live. Annual Target bonus is $24k lololol….oh and it’s a district based goal ahahaha. So nobody gives a flying Fvck about their bonus.
Wanna go kill yourself for a take home commission of $4k for the quarter? Be my guest. But nobody in your district will give af and if they don’t give af then you won’t get paid anyway because if they don’t make goal then you don’t make goal.
But we are not judged by territory performance here. No siree. It’s all about how many projects you’re in, how many inspiring texts and emails that you send your team. Basically make sure that you slap your name on as many projects as you can and then lie on your yearly document about all the amazing things that you did lmao.
All that matters is that you know who the DMs are that vote on awards and you just kiss kiss kiss their ass as hard as you can. I repeat…Performance isn’t important. Lots of people like that they don’t have to perform and they get a life long job but that means you’ll never bring home that $4k a month commission check lol.
You’ll have to compete mightily for yearly awards against some very stiff competition that was hired right off a college campus without any job experience so get ready to work 1/2 day every day like all of your teammates.
Good luck explaining your performance snd rankings when you want to move on to another company that actually has sales people and pays good base pay and $40k target commission.
Anybody else have anything to add? I think that sums it up here
Base pay and commission are some of the lowest in the industry. You’ll maybe get paid $60k base depending on where you live. Annual Target bonus is $24k lololol….oh and it’s a district based goal ahahaha. So nobody gives a flying Fvck about their bonus.
Wanna go kill yourself for a take home commission of $4k for the quarter? Be my guest. But nobody in your district will give af and if they don’t give af then you won’t get paid anyway because if they don’t make goal then you don’t make goal.
But we are not judged by territory performance here. No siree. It’s all about how many projects you’re in, how many inspiring texts and emails that you send your team. Basically make sure that you slap your name on as many projects as you can and then lie on your yearly document about all the amazing things that you did lmao.
All that matters is that you know who the DMs are that vote on awards and you just kiss kiss kiss their ass as hard as you can. I repeat…Performance isn’t important. Lots of people like that they don’t have to perform and they get a life long job but that means you’ll never bring home that $4k a month commission check lol.
You’ll have to compete mightily for yearly awards against some very stiff competition that was hired right off a college campus without any job experience so get ready to work 1/2 day every day like all of your teammates.
Good luck explaining your performance snd rankings when you want to move on to another company that actually has sales people and pays good base pay and $40k target commission.
Anybody else have anything to add? I think that sums it up here
OP here, thanks for the insights. I know Jardiance and Trulicity doing quite well in its class. Heard about the GIP/GLP1 in developmemt so trying to see if it's worth converting over or staying here although now reading about the bonus structure and pay I'm have second thoughts...
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I just peed my pants. I didn’t realize the pay was so low but I knew goals really didn’t matter to any of my Lilly counter parts. They never seemed to have ANY sense of urgency.
It’s that low now for new hires. Lilly is hiring newer reps with little to no experience and paying less. The more tenured reps that are currently at lilly make more
The most tenured reps here are paying d way way less than reps with the same tenure at any other respectable pharma company. That’s just a fact
Completely agree. I left lilly after 18 years there and am much happier at my new company. Salary is much higher Ans bonuses are individual and a lot more then I made with lilly being a top performer.
The best part is that people don’t look for projects as sales performance is what’s rewarded here. No kissing ass and no promotions based on the your manger giving you projects to occupy your time.
My biggest regret is how long it took me to leave lilly. Should have left much sooner.
The best part is that people don’t look for projects as sales performance is what’s rewarded here. No kissing ass and no promotions based on the your manger giving you projects to occupy your time.
My biggest regret is how long it took me to leave lilly. Should have left much sooner.
Here's the thing. At Lilly, you will never be "rich" because the money isn't good for the amount of work and pressure. The grass isn't greener on this side, trust me. The DBU is a complete joke. They treat us like children over here. Project this, project that, why aren't you doing more, etc. For the truly smart people, Lilly is just a stepping stone for people who want to gain some good experience then bounce after a 2-5ish years. I can't wait to leave. At Lilly they are REALLY focused on hiring young people...which just boils me but there's nothing I can do. I really wish they would hire the best person for the job, but that is just a dream. Not a huge fan of what this company has turned in to, but hey, it pays the bills
Yes this is a good starter company.
They mostly hire right off college campuses.
The pay is low. Just do your time, try to get some things on your resume & then go get a better paying job with another company.
Lilly is a day care
It did pretty much sum it up.
Nothing against bright young people who have what it takes, but when I left several years ago anyone with half a brain could see the writing on the wall.
RD said in Executive Rep session “we need to hire younger people, who look like our customers.” Whatever that means — figure it out. Of course, coming from a older Caucasian, I guess it was excusable since he was Senior Management and of course, he deserved to be there. The message was clear though.
And it makes sense right? Our customers are all 23 years old and with diversity as the first, middle and last name.
There are hard working reps, everywhere, but Lilly started long ago to deemphasize the individual contribution. At various times, vicious evil and moronic managers had a way of keeping those they didn’t like in line, or pushing them out. Just adjust the quota, and bingo, give more to the high achiever you don’t like because they don’t kiss your ass, and make it easier for another rep to succeed by guaranteeing they will hit lesser goals.
Another former attraction for Lilly was the defined benefit plan, which is probably going away, and when you are in you’re 20’s you could care less about that because you never age. Lol.
Nothing against bright young people who have what it takes, but when I left several years ago anyone with half a brain could see the writing on the wall.
RD said in Executive Rep session “we need to hire younger people, who look like our customers.” Whatever that means — figure it out. Of course, coming from a older Caucasian, I guess it was excusable since he was Senior Management and of course, he deserved to be there. The message was clear though.
And it makes sense right? Our customers are all 23 years old and with diversity as the first, middle and last name.
There are hard working reps, everywhere, but Lilly started long ago to deemphasize the individual contribution. At various times, vicious evil and moronic managers had a way of keeping those they didn’t like in line, or pushing them out. Just adjust the quota, and bingo, give more to the high achiever you don’t like because they don’t kiss your ass, and make it easier for another rep to succeed by guaranteeing they will hit lesser goals.
Another former attraction for Lilly was the defined benefit plan, which is probably going away, and when you are in you’re 20’s you could care less about that because you never age. Lol.
Sadly, there will be a tsunami of diabetes due to overeating during lockdown.
Maybe but not enough to keep our current reps! This division needs to be downsized. Besides, I have many customers that used to do lunches, displays and did lunches that are not doing them after the COVID so there you go! No need for more reps of the current footprint!
The commission is very low
Lots of reps with no sales experience
Projects & getting managers to like you is how you get promoted. Numbers don’t matter
Lots of reps with no sales experience
Projects & getting managers to like you is how you get promoted. Numbers don’t matter
Even if we have a great pipeline in the DBU, the drug still needs to be approved by the FDA. it’s also very difficult to launch products during a pandemic! I have a few friends that have done this and it is almost impossible to have a successful launch even with a blockbuster product! You don’t need 2 people in a territory that can’t see anyone trying to launch a product that HCPs don’t want to hear about because their focus has been treating patients and dealing with pandemic issues! I’ve also had many MDs I’ve called on for a decade retire early due to the stuff they have put up with the past 1 1/2 years.
DBU is fine. They will fold in UPC and other reallocated reps. That’s why they are holding openings. Respect for people. DBU making all the money.
Dbu is over staffed in Pc. What do overlays really do? Join calls with counterparts. And yes UPC will grow… hoping we lose some Pc reps in neuro… or you guys can have them to add to your already over staffed calls
Do tell us all about how DBU is overstaffed and United will grow. We are dying to know. Biting nails for that one. Awaiting the creative response.
Good luck selling all that trulicity and tirzepatide when all the manufacturing people have quit over the vaccine mandate. The system is already at capacity. Good luck when they all walk out. You gonna step in?
They already have a contract group trained and ready to go to replace anyone in manufacturing that leaves. Writing has been on the wall for that for a while. Especially since introducing workday and screwing B path folks. This is a dream come true for leadership.