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Guess what Publicis is doing now. They now have a new sales force model for primary care. Reps are paid $35,000 per year just to LEAVE samples and a PI. NO product detailing in an effort to avoid PDMA issues. The reps have NO product training and therefore pose very little liability. If a physician has a question they fill out a request form on the tablet which immediately goes to a MSL for prompt follow up with the physician. Part of the mentality with hiring the Inventiv primary care sales force was to hire a great deal of non-pharma sales people for the teams. Believe me I know this as fact. They want a mixture of 1-2 year pharma and b2b or other low level sales. They want people who "dont have bad habits". Its more like they want people who aren't on to how disposable they are and work them like mules for 2 years then with the "possibility" of being kept on will as you know be let go for sure. Yeah piss on my back and tell me its raining Forest. How stupid do you think these Inventiv managers are?

This industry has outsourced the contract reps lol.. If you think you will retire in pharmaceutical sales at Forest you are kidding yourself. They think they are cutting edge but are still have a big pharma 1990's mentality. The primary care products are a joke and good luck in hospitals. I understand some NYC teaching hospitals are now excluding all pharmaceutical reps and have hired a Pharm D whose main responsibility is to educate and update physicians on new and existing medication.

These guys at Forest an other companies just don't get it. Still they are like Obama and will have you believe we are doing great. They are lean, profitable and strategic. Wyeth and King were great companies on the NYSE until Pfizer decided to buy them. Don't think it can't happen at Forest. Start to work towards a new skill set. Use the time and money at Forest to protect your future and move on..Otherwise the move will be made for you.

Signed,

Had enough of it already..
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Read about Amerigen filing for generic Bystolic.. I bet all those new Inventiv hires feel real gooad about the move now. I mean we all know that they are temporary but this is a little fast LOL.... Guess the reaper comes for us all...:) Good luck Forest!! You'll need it!!!
 






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Read about Amerigen filing for generic Bystolic.. I bet all those new Inventiv hires feel real gooad about the move now. I mean we all know that they are temporary but this is a little fast LOL.... Guess the reaper comes for us all...:) Good luck Forest!! You'll need it!!!
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How is this any different than the lexapro patent challenge five years ago? First, generic companies take shots at branded drugs all the time. Doesn't usually work. Even if this does work for the two companies challenging, it won't shake out for at least 2-3 years.

I've been here awhile. Everything from the celexa marketing business to the lx patent challenge to bystolic not getting the CHF indication to Ichan. We are still here. I am no kool aid drinker, but not a hater either. Don't hold your breath waiting for the sudden demise of Forest.
 






if you think Forest is not ripe for downsizing or a takeover you ARE drinking the kool-aid. What I'm getting ready to say isn't exactly something to be proud of, but the track record cannot be denied. I started with another small startup pharma company more than 10 years ago. I thought I would get in on the ground floor and be a part of something big. Things started going downhill and I saw the writing on the wall and I got out. I had performed well though the company as a whole had not. Within a year the company's branded business had been dissolved and the company had been absorbed by another pharm company. I moved on to another start up specialty company and doubled my salary thinking this would be the big move that would get me in on the ground floor with stock options that would explode when the company took off. A little over a year later I saw the writing on the wall and again, though I was in the top 10 in the country in sales, made a move for purposes of stability. Within a year of leaving that company also ceased to have a salesforce. I was with Forest for 6 years until this past fall. The same behaviors that I observed with 2 previous companies more than prepared me for what I was seeing with Forest. I was in the top 25% of the company when I left last fall. Believe me when I say, Forest is grasping at straws right now. The contract force is a test run to see what kind of productivity they can get from external reps. As generic Lexapro cuts deeper and deeper into Forest's pockets work will become unbearable for a large portion of reps. I feel for many of you because it is only a matter of time. Forest's business model is unsustainable with the current revenue stream. There are not enough late stage products with high enough revenue projections in the pipeline to sustain the current level of sales activity. I wish you luck!
 






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if you think Forest is not ripe for downsizing or a takeover you ARE drinking the kool-aid. What I'm getting ready to say isn't exactly something to be proud of, but the track record cannot be denied. I started with another small startup pharma company more than 10 years ago. I thought I would get in on the ground floor and be a part of something big. Things started going downhill and I saw the writing on the wall and I got out. I had performed well though the company as a whole had not. Within a year the company's branded business had been dissolved and the company had been absorbed by another pharm company. I moved on to another start up specialty company and doubled my salary thinking this would be the big move that would get me in on the ground floor with stock options that would explode when the company took off. A little over a year later I saw the writing on the wall and again, though I was in the top 10 in the country in sales, made a move for purposes of stability. Within a year of leaving that company also ceased to have a salesforce. I was with Forest for 6 years until this past fall. The same behaviors that I observed with 2 previous companies more than prepared me for what I was seeing with Forest. I was in the top 25% of the company when I left last fall. Believe me when I say, Forest is grasping at straws right now. The contract force is a test run to see what kind of productivity they can get from external reps. As generic Lexapro cuts deeper and deeper into Forest's pockets work will become unbearable for a large portion of reps. I feel for many of you because it is only a matter of time. Forest's business model is unsustainable with the current revenue stream. There are not enough late stage products with high enough revenue projections in the pipeline to sustain the current level of sales activity. I wish you luck!
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choke on a spoon
 


















How often are you detailing that??? Is it a P4 right after Viibryd and Savella, and the new clean Savella isomer and the new antipsychotic that will try to be promoted for resistant depression? Where does generic citalopram fit into your detail?

Forest may be smart enough to compete w/ themselves to keep revenue coming in, but they sure don't need you to do it!
 


















Let me guess - you're a blame-Bush, Obama-lovin', bleeding heart, head in the sand lib as well.
It's obvious because you have to rely on personal attacks and name calling instead of anything resembling an intelligent response. You truly are a mental midget.

Anonymous said:
Oh I'm sorry, let's try this again. Choke on a phallus!
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Anonymous said:
if you think Forest is not ripe for downsizing or a takeover you ARE drinking the kool-aid. What I'm getting ready to say isn't exactly something to be proud of, but the track record cannot be denied. I started with another small startup pharma company more than 10 years ago. I thought I would get in on the ground floor and be a part of something big. Things started going downhill and I saw the writing on the wall and I got out. I had performed well though the company as a whole had not. Within a year the company's branded business had been dissolved and the company had been absorbed by another pharm company. I moved on to another start up specialty company and doubled my salary thinking this would be the big move that would get me in on the ground floor with stock options that would explode when the company took off. A little over a year later I saw the writing on the wall and again, though I was in the top 10 in the country in sales, made a move for purposes of stability. Within a year of leaving that company also ceased to have a salesforce. I was with Forest for 6 years until this past fall. The same behaviors that I observed with 2 previous companies more than prepared me for what I was seeing with Forest. I was in the top 25% of the company when I left last fall. Believe me when I say, Forest is grasping at straws right now. The contract force is a test run to see what kind of productivity they can get from external reps. As generic Lexapro cuts deeper and deeper into Forest's pockets work will become unbearable for a large portion of reps. I feel for many of you because it is only a matter of time. Forest's business model is unsustainable with the current revenue stream. There are not enough late stage products with high enough revenue projections in the pipeline to sustain the current level of sales activity. I wish you luck!
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The key is you left the company. I've been in the top 25 several of my many years. So you were in the top 25 when you left...wow you must hold the key to many company secrets.
 












My there are a number of thick people on this board. I did not say I had never been in the top 25% previously, only that I was in the top 25% when I left. I never claimed insider information, just perspective from someone who has been through it. The point is that I was not run out on a rail. I have performed above average in every position I have been in. I left because of the writing on the wall. Do you think adding a contract company improves your job security? Having seen it with other companies I just wanted to offer friendly advice about Forest's sorry state of affairs.

I'm sure there are plenty who will ride it out, try to weather the storm hoping that they are one of the few that are spared. I mean, if you get cut you will probably get some form of severance and with Obumbo in the White House there is no telling how long you will get to receive unemployment. That moron has already extended it to almost 2 years. I have too much pride in my work and ethical standards that are too high to continue in the cesspool that Forest has become. And I decided to find another job because I don't expect the government and unemployment to take care of me.



Anonymous said:
The key is you left the company. I've been in the top 25 several of my many years. So you were in the top 25 when you left...wow you must hold the key to many company secrets.
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