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I'd report it at corporate level/compliance. Who wants a dishonest slacker as a partner? It's WRONG, bottom line. This isn't going over $20 or a wife brought to a dinner-it's intentional.
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If she is a hot female and you are a male, tell her you want some action in the back of the company vehicle. otherwise you will turn her in. It could be a "win-win"!!!! Just sayin.
 






Yeah because committing blackmail and rape is a total win-win. What a motherfucking asshole.

Report her to corporate compliance. If they catch her and find out you knew, you'll get terminated alongside her.
 






Unless you are 100% clean yourself (calls and expenses), just forget about it. If you report it and they investigate, it's an automatic review of all calls and expenses for the last six months for the ENTIRE territory.
 












However, if compliance finds out that you knew about this and did not report this you are just as guilty in their eyes. You can approach the rep and let them know that you have seen them doing this and stop any future violations or just call it in. These people that fake signatures like the idiots they are will get caught. I dont understand why people cant go out and do their job to their best ability.
 






Just worry about yourself. Keep your nose clean, and let your partners worry about digging their own graves. Seriously. It's not worth it. Way worse goes on in this industry. If anyone gets wind of you saying one thing, you'll be blackballed for the rest of your career.
 






Focus on your on Sh*t. I knew a rep that used CASSRA's to trace sigs or memorized the signatures and just signed. What the hell did I care? I went to pres club 3 years in a row. As long as I was making bank and was not partaking in that BS, I just worried about my own work. I could carry the territory by myself. And many times it becomes the devil you know vs. the devil you don't know when they hire someone new. It is so much work to get a rep up to speed because the DM's are absolutely useless.

But I have since moved on and it is really funny to hear all the drama. Forest is the equivalent to a high school football player. In their world they think they are so important and are the greatest. But when you get a real job and have a quota that actually matters and actually have to sell something it is like someone from the NFL looking in at the arrogant life of that HS football player. It is so much more rewarding (financially and job satisfaction wise) when you grow up and get a real job.

But if she were hot and I were single I would go the BJ for silence way. Everyone wins in that scenario!!

Just saying!
 






Sure, go ahead and turn your partner in... snitch. With any luck they'll fire you, too. Once you do something like this no one, and I mean NO ONE will ever trust you in your division or region again. Everyone will know about it because something like this doesn't stay private, and it should be known by everyone you work with so they can be forewarned about you. Go ahead and turn her/him in, the company needs to weed out people like you.
 






As opposed to keeping a person like you?!?! Based on your response, and name calling, I think it's safe to assume you engage in the same activity. Faking sigs does nothing but inflate individual call averages, which are then referred to by DMs as being acceptable numbers. Say an honest rep can only make and average of 7 calls a day, while the rep (like you) is out there faking sigs and call notes so that you can claim 10+ calls. Now the honest rep is being ridden by the DM for not having high enough call numbers. I was in a terriroty where it was next to impossible to make more than 6 calls a day (because of geography). Its sad that thats what this job has turned into, but if you're in it for a paycheck and nothign more, then I guess this shouldn't be too much of an issue. Most reps at this company are immature, inexperienced, uneducated and fairly stupuid.
 






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As opposed to keeping a person like you?!?! Based on your response, and name calling, I think it's safe to assume you engage in the same activity. Faking sigs does nothing but inflate individual call averages, which are then referred to by DMs as being acceptable numbers. Say an honest rep can only make and average of 7 calls a day, while the rep (like you) is out there faking sigs and call notes so that you can claim 10+ calls. Now the honest rep is being ridden by the DM for not having high enough call numbers. I was in a terriroty where it was next to impossible to make more than 6 calls a day (because of geography). Its sad that thats what this job has turned into, but if you're in it for a paycheck and nothign more, then I guess this shouldn't be too much of an issue. Most reps at this company are immature, inexperienced, uneducated and fairly stupuid.
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Agree with you 100%!!
 






Anonymous said:
As opposed to keeping a person like you?!?! Based on your response, and name calling, I think it's safe to assume you engage in the same activity. Faking sigs does nothing but inflate individual call averages, which are then referred to by DMs as being acceptable numbers. Say an honest rep can only make and average of 7 calls a day, while the rep (like you) is out there faking sigs and call notes so that you can claim 10+ calls. Now the honest rep is being ridden by the DM for not having high enough call numbers. I was in a terriroty where it was next to impossible to make more than 6 calls a day (because of geography). Its sad that thats what this job has turned into, but if you're in it for a paycheck and nothign more, then I guess this shouldn't be too much of an issue. Most reps at this company are immature, inexperienced, uneducated and fairly stupuid.
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Oh Mr. Pure as the wind-driven snow rep, how do you know if I have faked sigs? How do you know if I'm honest? You don't know me, so don't make assumptions. As a matter of fact I have never done that, but I'd detest anyone else squealing on someone that did. The faking sigs is a result of a flawed company policy. Getting a required number of calls or sigs a day is stupid and unproductive. You say you had to drive all over to get calls/sigs because of the geography of your territory? That's lots of unproductive windshield time, and the company should be aware of that. The rep that forged the sigs was wrong, but the rep going to squeal on her is even worse. It's true, no other rep in that division will like or trust him if he squeals. The manager may act as though he approves of what the rep did if he squeals, but even the manager will never trust that rep again and I doubt he would ever get high evaluations on his performance reviews either. Trust is a terrible thing to lose, and you can't get it back once it's gone. Nobody trusts a squealer.
 






Anonymous said:
Oh Mr. Pure as the wind-driven snow rep, how do you know if I have faked sigs? How do you know if I'm honest? You don't know me, so don't make assumptions. As a matter of fact I have never done that, but I'd detest anyone else squealing on someone that did. The faking sigs is a result of a flawed company policy. Getting a required number of calls or sigs a day is stupid and unproductive. You say you had to drive all over to get calls/sigs because of the geography of your territory? That's lots of unproductive windshield time, and the company should be aware of that. The rep that forged the sigs was wrong, but the rep going to squeal on her is even worse. It's true, no other rep in that division will like or trust him if he squeals. The manager may act as though he approves of what the rep did if he squeals, but even the manager will never trust that rep again and I doubt he would ever get high evaluations on his performance reviews either. Trust is a terrible thing to lose, and you can't get it back once it's gone. Nobody trusts a squealer.
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
 






Anonymous said:
Oh Mr. Pure as the wind-driven snow rep, how do you know if I have faked sigs? How do you know if I'm honest? You don't know me, so don't make assumptions. As a matter of fact I have never done that, but I'd detest anyone else squealing on someone that did. The faking sigs is a result of a flawed company policy. Getting a required number of calls or sigs a day is stupid and unproductive. You say you had to drive all over to get calls/sigs because of the geography of your territory? That's lots of unproductive windshield time, and the company should be aware of that. The rep that forged the sigs was wrong, but the rep going to squeal on her is even worse. It's true, no other rep in that division will like or trust him if he squeals. The manager may act as though he approves of what the rep did if he squeals, but even the manager will never trust that rep again and I doubt he would ever get high evaluations on his performance reviews either. Trust is a terrible thing to lose, and you can't get it back once it's gone. Nobody trusts a squealer.
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I think this is right on. I have been around a while. I have had counterparts I love and ones I wish would have never been hired. Even though most reps would not fake sigs because it is an immediate death sentence, no rep who has been with Forest more than 6 months has not crossed the line at least a little. Don't tell. If she is really that bad she will shoot herself in the foot soon enough.
 






I draw the line at faked signatures. Entering a few docs into a call - even if one of those docs may have been nothing more than a wave thru a closed exam room door - may not be the "pure" thing to do but we all have call averages to hit. But faking a physician signature is a serious crime. I would confront the her. The BJ solution is tempting, but since we are on a "pure" streak here, handle it like a professional. Tell her she put you in the position of having to break company policy by ignoring the felony crime she committed. Tell her you expect she will never put you in that position again. DO NOT DOCUMENT ANYTHING ON THE FIRST CONVERSATION. You would be documenting that you knew she broke the rules but didn't report it. Handle it via a in person conversation. And be sure to tell her you will not jepordize your career or family by ignoring any future incidents. That will end it. But you better make sure she has nothing on you....or can make anything up to accuse you of. That's another reason I would avoid the very tempting but somwewhat dangerous BJ option.....
 






HR knows all about reps faking sigs and do nothing about it. They don't want headaches so they ignore it. Yes, they are in fact, hiding info that they and others in management know about fake sigs and have done nothing about it. Forest doesn't care about faking signatures as long as you sell pills. They have proof about fake sigs and turn their backs on the reps and DMs so they don't have to get involved. Just make sure you don't go over your budget on lunches or dinner or your head will roll.
 












I would ask you to hold a mirror up to your own activity before you call someone else out on theirs. Make sure you never fibbed a little on an expense report, etc. and if you're sure you're 100, then pull the trigger, otherwise it could come back to bite you and invite cause for them to look at you when they previously were not.
 






Anonymous said:
Dont be a rat
One rep can move the numbers
U may need this partner for future business
Phrma sales will be dead in a year so chill
For reps that question this approach go find a job without a pod
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I agree. I have a specialty rep who fakes shit all the time. This person sucks, has no idea I know how many bogus calls they enter and how much bullshit I sniff out when I ask them to tell me how their calls went and then I follow up only to learn the line of crap I was fed. But you know what? This idiot isn't hurting anything. My other partners and I can compensate, and no one wins when there is too much team drama.

Just leave it alone.
 






Anonymous said:
I agree. I have a specialty rep who fakes shit all the time. This person sucks, has no idea I know how many bogus calls they enter and how much bullshit I sniff out when I ask them to tell me how their calls went and then I follow up only to learn the line of crap I was fed. But you know what? This idiot isn't hurting anything. My other partners and I can compensate, and no one wins when there is too much team drama.

Just leave it alone.
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Sounds like KN from NY!
 












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