Bye Bye Copaxone!!!

And, I'll give you guys another hint - Neuros do not recommend one therapy over another. I've seen several. They leave it entirely up to the patient. I was told to go home, look them up online and come back and say what I wanted. I initially chose avonex because I loved the idea of once a week; but then, as I said, the side effects were too much. I recently began seeing a very well known and respected specialist who RAVED about copaxone. You may call it "placebo" but the fact that it is not a chemical being introduced to your body is very attractive to patients and physicians. I would LOVE if an oral came to market that I could trust. But, it's just not the case. My first MS symptom was optic neuritis, if you think that I would ever take a product that could present the same symptoms - you're insane. I might as well go stick a fork in my eye. Not going to happen. They just don't know enough about MS to come up with an effective therapy. Believe me, I wish that wasn't the case - but it is. How can you treat a disease that you have no idea what causes it and it's so different from person to person? There's someone out there right now that can't walk who is under the same diagnosis as me - I ran 5 miles today - really? I call BS...

You are quite correct. Neuros do not tell the patients what therapy to take. It is strictly up to the patient to decide. They provide you with information so you can make the best informed decision. Unfortunately, all treatments sort of suck. What works for one, does not work for another. That is just a simple fact and if at first you don't suceed - you try again.

The best thing these biotechs and drug companies can do is simply be honest about the efficacy, side effects and their realistic risk rather than candy coating the whole thing with marketing statements that are grossly misleading. Some idiot on one of the boards implied that PML is much more manageable and not such a big deal if you contract the virus. After all it has greater than a 50% survival rate. I am betting that person never saw a patient with PML (I have).

Once the facts come out, these companies look like specieous greedy morons and few patients end up trusting anything they spew. The biotechs often manage to slit their own throats with their own shortsidedness and stupidity.

I found success with copaxone and I'm grateful. I'm not about to jump to an oral if what I'm using is working. That is just nonsensical. I don't mind a daily injection. It's become such a part of my life that I don't really give it a second thought.

The only thing I don't understand is how can you say copaxone is not a chemical being introduced to the body? Its a blend of polymers that get directed to the immune system subcutaneously. Even natural methods involve chemicals.
 






And what makes you mental midgets aware whether or not these are actual Reps from this company, competitive reps from another company, patients portraying themselves as reps, people portraying themselves as patients....get the picture????

This site should not be taken seriously be any MS patient as it is a total head game in here trying to get reactions. Obviously it worked in this thread getting folks responding and yelling. You have been had suckers!

By the way I'm your US Senator trying to bring bad publicity on pharma companies by portraying myself as a rep.
 












And what makes you mental midgets aware whether or not these are actual Reps from this company, competitive reps from another company, patients portraying themselves as reps, people portraying themselves as patients....get the picture????

This site should not be taken seriously be any MS patient as it is a total head game in here trying to get reactions. Obviously it worked in this thread getting folks responding and yelling. You have been had suckers!

By the way I'm your US Senator trying to bring bad publicity on pharma companies by portraying myself as a rep.

You're right - shame on me - I've been had. You are so smart! Look at you - you are so smart you are adorable! I could just pinch your cheeks.

Now there's a statement I bet you don't hear that often! Now run along little one and go out and play! Too much time at the computer can make you obese!
 






How did your long term disability data look that was presented at ECTRIMS?

Duh! Not so good!!

Novartis is taking names and kicking your ass! You will get NO CIS, NO INF failures so BYE BYE!!!
 






Yeah, how's that low dose save the brand study going?????

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000601009&fid=1725

I have never run into more unethical scum than I have in the MS market..... Lying to doctors about your competition, paying them insane amounts of money (ie:bribes) to write and just being plain old pond scum will catch you in the end. I have already documented some of this unethical behavior and the FDA (whom my best friend works for) is well aware and will have TEVA and it's corporate goons fined out the wazoo pretty soon......good luck with that.
 






Why are you so angry at Teva? For accusations of bribes go to the Biogen board. Copaxone is a SAFE AND EFFECTIVE drug and you only wish you worked at Teva. Yoy can try and sell against our data but at the end all patients end up in Copaxone when other medications fail or are proven intolerable. That my dear friend is a fact.
 






Why are you so angry at Teva? For accusations of bribes go to the Biogen board. Copaxone is a SAFE AND EFFECTIVE drug and you only wish you worked at Teva. Yoy can try and sell against our data but at the end all patients end up in Copaxone when other medications fail or are proven intolerable. That my dear friend is a fact.

Biogen isn't the company paying off its writers, Teva is!!!

And Cop is NOT effective!!!!! EVERY patient on Cop show disease progressive....FACT!

BYE BYE TEVA!
 






Biogen isn't the company paying off its writers, Teva is!!!

And Cop is NOT effective!!!!! EVERY patient on Cop show disease progressive....FACT!

BYE BYE TEVA!

Not a fact

I've been on it for some time (nearly 10 years) - no new lesions - no increased EDSS - no cognitive decline - able to work out 3 or 4 times a week - no treatment related fatigue or flu symptoms

Please be careful what you say - copaxone does work

I am living proof
 






Why are you so angry at Teva? For accusations of bribes go to the Biogen board. Copaxone is a SAFE AND EFFECTIVE drug and you only wish you worked at Teva. Yoy can try and sell against our data but at the end all patients end up in Copaxone when other medications fail or are proven intolerable. That my dear friend is a fact.

Intolerable, you mean like lipoatrophy.
 






Intolerable, you mean like lipoatrophy.

Let's see - copaxone causes lipoatrophy. Last I looked this isn't fatal.

Avonex, Rebif, Betaseron - flu-like symptoms, fatigue, fever, liver damage, increased risk of depression, neutralizing anti-bodies - OK - but seriously uncomfortable

Tysabri - PML - likley debilitating and possibly fatal - not good at all

Gilenia - reduces heart rate, infections, and long-term usage not yet completely defined - wait for it

As long as it is working for someone, dents in one's ass is far more favorable to the rest of the array of side effects associated with MS treatments.
 






Let's see - copaxone causes lipoatrophy. Last I looked this isn't fatal.

Avonex, Rebif, Betaseron - flu-like symptoms, fatigue, fever, liver damage, increased risk of depression, neutralizing anti-bodies - OK - but seriously uncomfortable

Tysabri - PML - likley debilitating and possibly fatal - not good at all

Gilenia - reduces heart rate, infections, and long-term usage not yet completely defined - wait for it

As long as it is working for someone, dents in one's ass is far more favorable to the rest of the array of side effects associated with MS treatments.[/QUOT

Lets see lipoathrophy is permanent, disfiguring and the totally unnecessary destruction of tissue and is a fact of life with copaxone patients. And due to site rotation can happen anywhere injected. And since most MS patients are younger women they will live with these avoidable repercussions forever. Copaxone is the price patients pay for being taken in by marketing strategies. This is key. Scare vulnerable patients and their non committal neurologists with highly exaggerated competitive side effect claims, however short lived or unlikely, otherwise patients may question why they need a 365 inj/yr for ZERO additional efficacy and the inevitable lipoatrophy.
 






Let's see - copaxone causes lipoatrophy. Last I looked this isn't fatal.

Avonex, Rebif, Betaseron - flu-like symptoms, fatigue, fever, liver damage, increased risk of depression, neutralizing anti-bodies - OK - but seriously uncomfortable

Tysabri - PML - likley debilitating and possibly fatal - not good at all

Gilenia - reduces heart rate, infections, and long-term usage not yet completely defined - wait for it

As long as it is working for someone, dents in one's ass is far more favorable to the rest of the array of side effects associated with MS treatments.[/QUOT

Lets see lipoathrophy is permanent, disfiguring and the totally unnecessary destruction of tissue and is a fact of life with copaxone patients. And due to site rotation can happen anywhere injected. And since most MS patients are younger women they will live with these avoidable repercussions forever. Copaxone is the price patients pay for being taken in by marketing strategies. This is key. Scare vulnerable patients and their non committal neurologists with highly exaggerated competitive side effect claims, however short lived or unlikely, otherwise patients may question why they need a 365 inj/yr for ZERO additional efficacy and the inevitable lipoatrophy.

Yes lipoathrophy is permanent, but neither debilitating nor deadly. Yes, most MS patients are younger women, but shame on them if they are that vain and stupid. Shame on you for thinking MS patiens are that vain and stupid. I have to assume you also are vain and stupid for considering this is the worst thing that can happen to an MS patient. Grow up, take a look around and stop being a shallow moron.
 






Copaxone is generic in two years...bye, bye!
I'll have it in my bag, as a generic.

Heart effects- .5 percent of several hundered patients...non-issue
infections- same as placebo in the studies....next
wait and see- nice advice for someone who has no TIME to wait and see. Or better yet as your patient programs suggest....wait for our oral drug to come out.

One year will be the start of the fall for the rest of you.......once docs are fine with the safety and process, the efficacy of this drug will bury the rest.....

Every drug has it's place, the TEVA reps look like scum bags bashing a drug they know very little about..........wait ' the FDA is coming to a doctor near you, hope your bribe wasn't attached to that doc...." Jail time baby!!!!!!
 






I want to thank all of you for your comic relief! I worked for Teva around the time Copaxone was launched and it is comforting to see that things never change. This is the only disease state where reps are arguing over the same tired issues from 15 years ago! Lack of disability data (Copaxone), 18 vs 32% reduction in disability (Avonex), placebo, Holy Water, dirty sales tactics...I could go on forever.
The truth is that your marketplace is getting very crowded and only a finite number of patients are diagnosed each year. The fiercely brand-loyal doctors who were pursuaded years ago with stock-options (Biogen), fancy Super Bowl parties and a race car (Teva) or just plain threatened (Serono) will now face pressure to make choices for their patients. MS Neurologists were spoiled stinking rotten and spent years successfully avoiding difficult treatment decisions for their patients.
I worked for more than one MS company and if the sales reps spent half as much time on their own product as they do being disgusted with the competition everyone would be better off.
BTW, of the MS products I have worked with (n=3), Copaxone is the one I would ask to go on if I were diagnosed tomorrow.
I look forward to the interesting and insulting posts in response to my comments.
Carry on!
 






I want to thank all of you for your comic relief! I worked for Teva around the time Copaxone was launched and it is comforting to see that things never change. This is the only disease state where reps are arguing over the same tired issues from 15 years ago! Lack of disability data (Copaxone), 18 vs 32% reduction in disability (Avonex), placebo, Holy Water, dirty sales tactics...I could go on forever.
The truth is that your marketplace is getting very crowded and only a finite number of patients are diagnosed each year. The fiercely brand-loyal doctors who were pursuaded years ago with stock-options (Biogen), fancy Super Bowl parties and a race car (Teva) or just plain threatened (Serono) will now face pressure to make choices for their patients. MS Neurologists were spoiled stinking rotten and spent years successfully avoiding difficult treatment decisions for their patients.
I worked for more than one MS company and if the sales reps spent half as much time on their own product as they do being disgusted with the competition everyone would be better off.
BTW, of the MS products I have worked with (n=3), Copaxone is the one I would ask to go on if I were diagnosed tomorrow.
I look forward to the interesting and insulting posts in response to my comments.
Carry on!

Nothing interesting or insulting, but fact.

Most neurologists leave the treatment option to the patient after discussing the potential side effects, efficacy, frequency of injections, additional meds that complement specific treatments.

MS patients are the most informed patients around. This is a comment I have seen made by many a neurologist and MS specialist.

As a salesperson, you can think you are influencing an outcome, but the reality is the patients are for the most part in the driver seat.

I have MS for 20+ years and have moved about the country and never has a doctor tried to influence my treatment options. They have only presented the options and after careful review of risk/reward did I choose.

Some have clenched their teeth, but the reality is I am the patient and I choose not them.

I have had little to no progression over the past twenty years and am grateful and lucky. The course of treatment I have chosen has worked well for me. I am not about to jump to an oral med, an infusion, etc. just because it is new. If it ain't broke - don't fix it.
 






Yes lipoathrophy is permanent, but neither debilitating nor deadly. Yes, most MS patients are younger women, but shame on them if they are that vain and stupid. Shame on you for thinking MS patiens are that vain and stupid. I have to assume you also are vain and stupid for considering this is the worst thing that can happen to an MS patient. Grow up, take a look around and stop being a shallow moron.

No this is the worst thing that could happen to a Copaxone patient. Now the poor young woman has MS and lipoatrophy! You may call it vain and stupid I call it quality of life. Especially when the condition is totally avoidable and un necessary .Your right about one thing there are a lot of morons and moronic decisions made in this industry. Patients are not stupid. They are just scared and as a result easily misled. This is where the Copaxone propaganists thrive. Scared anxious patients looking for answers looking for help. Very close to the way desperate people end up in a religious cult, anyway whatever it takes, whatever works, good luck with your kool aid , ka ching$
 






No this is the worst thing that could happen to a Copaxone patient. Now the poor young woman has MS and lipoatrophy! You may call it vain and stupid I call it quality of life. Especially when the condition is totally avoidable and un necessary .Your right about one thing there are a lot of morons and moronic decisions made in this industry. Patients are not stupid. They are just scared and as a result easily misled. This is where the Copaxone propaganists thrive. Scared anxious patients looking for answers looking for help. Very close to the way desperate people end up in a religious cult, anyway whatever it takes, whatever works, good luck with your kool aid , ka ching$

Apparently, you must not have a clue what it is to feel like utter crap every day. Qualilty of life is being able to enjoy time with those you love, being able to work, being able to do things that stimulate your intellect and enhance your life.

Lipoatrophy is painless, doesn't make you tired, doesn't make you dizzy, doesn't give you a fever - it is nothing.

You must be young and healthy because you are clueless if dents in the skin and appearance is what you consider quality of life.

There's a philosophy. I can't walk, but my ass doesn't have dents. Life is good!

Grow up jackwagon!