Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Cost

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May 20, 2013 — A new report suggests that improved health care and significant reductions in drug costs might be attained by breaking up the age-old relationship between physicians and drug company representatives who promote the newest, more costly and often unnecessary prescription drugs.

This system, which has been in place for decades, at one time benefited doctors by keeping them up to date on new medications, and always provided generous amounts of "free" samples to get patients started on the newest drugs, as well as other supplies and gifts.
But it's actually a powerful marketing process into which the pharmaceutical industry pours tens of billions of dollars a year, with more than 90,000 drug representatives providing gifts and advice. There is one drug representative for every eight doctors in the United States. This doesn't necessarily serve the best interests of the patient in terms of economy, efficacy, safety or accuracy of information, experts say.
In one of the first reports of its type -- titled "Breaking Up is Hard to Do" -- researchers from Oregon State University, Oregon Health & Science University and the University of Washington outlined the deliberate process that one central Oregon medical clinic went through to remove drug company representatives from their practice. It explored the obstacles they faced and the ultimate, successful result. The findings were just published in the Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine.

The study found that avoiding conflicts of interest and becoming "pharma-free" is possible, but not easy.

"This is a culture change, one that's already happening but still has a ways to go, especially in smaller private practices," said Dr. David Evans, now with the Department of Family Medicine at the University of Washington, and previously a physician at the Madras, Ore., clinic featured in the article.

"The relationship between physicians and drug company representatives goes back generations, and it took a methodical, deliberate campaign to change it," Evans said. "We ultimately decided something had to be done when our medical clinic was visited by drug reps 199 times in six months. That number was just staggering."

Part of what allows the change, the researchers said, is that information on new medications is now available in many other forums. These may have less bias and be more evidence-based than the material traditionally provided by the pharmaceutical industry, which wanted to sell the latest product. In the Madras clinic, the physicians replaced information previously supplied by drug reps with monthly meetings to stay current on new medications, based on peer-reviewed, rather than promotional literature.
"In the past 5-10 years there's been more of a move toward what we call 'academic detailing,' in which universities and other impartial sources of information can provide accurate information without bias," said Daniel Hartung, assistant professor in the OSU College of Pharmacy. "This is being supported by some states and the federal government, and it's a move in the right direction."

Moves to separate the drug industry from the practice of medicine have been more aggressive in large medical teaching hospitals, Hartung said, but much less so in smaller private practice. Of the 800,000 physicians in the U.S., only 22 percent practice in academic settings, the study noted, and 84 percent of primary care physicians still have close relationships with the pharmaceutical industry.

The stakes can be high, the researchers said. In the study example, the "sample cabinet" of medications at the Madras clinic, provided for free by the pharmaceutical representatives, had an average price of $90 for a month's supply of the medications. Less expensive, generic medications were identified for 38 of the 46 sample drugs, which would have cost $22 a month.

The new analysis explored the necessary steps that a private clinic can take to help address this concern, including quantifying the clinic-industry relationship, anticipating clinician and staff concerns, finding new ways to provide up-to-date information, and educating patients and the public.

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May 20, 2013 — A new report suggests that improved health care and significant reductions in drug costs might be attained by breaking up the age-old relationship between physicians and drug company representatives who promote the newest, more costly and often unnecessary prescription drugs.

This system, which has been in place for decades, at one time benefited doctors by keeping them up to date on new medications, and always provided generous amounts of "free" samples to get patients started on the newest drugs, as well as other supplies and gifts.
But it's actually a powerful marketing process into which the pharmaceutical industry pours tens of billions of dollars a year, with more than 90,000 drug representatives providing gifts and advice. There is one drug representative for every eight doctors in the United States. This doesn't necessarily serve the best interests of the patient in terms of economy, efficacy, safety or accuracy of information, experts say.
In one of the first reports of its type -- titled "Breaking Up is Hard to Do" -- researchers from Oregon State University, Oregon Health & Science University and the University of Washington outlined the deliberate process that one central Oregon medical clinic went through to remove drug company representatives from their practice. It explored the obstacles they faced and the ultimate, successful result. The findings were just published in the Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine.

The study found that avoiding conflicts of interest and becoming "pharma-free" is possible, but not easy.

"This is a culture change, one that's already happening but still has a ways to go, especially in smaller private practices," said Dr. David Evans, now with the Department of Family Medicine at the University of Washington, and previously a physician at the Madras, Ore., clinic featured in the article.

"The relationship between physicians and drug company representatives goes back generations, and it took a methodical, deliberate campaign to change it," Evans said. "We ultimately decided something had to be done when our medical clinic was visited by drug reps 199 times in six months. That number was just staggering."

Part of what allows the change, the researchers said, is that information on new medications is now available in many other forums. These may have less bias and be more evidence-based than the material traditionally provided by the pharmaceutical industry, which wanted to sell the latest product. In the Madras clinic, the physicians replaced information previously supplied by drug reps with monthly meetings to stay current on new medications, based on peer-reviewed, rather than promotional literature.
"In the past 5-10 years there's been more of a move toward what we call 'academic detailing,' in which universities and other impartial sources of information can provide accurate information without bias," said Daniel Hartung, assistant professor in the OSU College of Pharmacy. "This is being supported by some states and the federal government, and it's a move in the right direction."

Moves to separate the drug industry from the practice of medicine have been more aggressive in large medical teaching hospitals, Hartung said, but much less so in smaller private practice. Of the 800,000 physicians in the U.S., only 22 percent practice in academic settings, the study noted, and 84 percent of primary care physicians still have close relationships with the pharmaceutical industry.

The stakes can be high, the researchers said. In the study example, the "sample cabinet" of medications at the Madras clinic, provided for free by the pharmaceutical representatives, had an average price of $90 for a month's supply of the medications. Less expensive, generic medications were identified for 38 of the 46 sample drugs, which would have cost $22 a month.

The new analysis explored the necessary steps that a private clinic can take to help address this concern, including quantifying the clinic-industry relationship, anticipating clinician and staff concerns, finding new ways to provide up-to-date information, and educating patients and the public.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...t+Science+News)

I have been through this scenerio many times over the years e.g. OSU, UVA, Georgetown, UPMC just to name a few. Many in these institutions and the initiatives they promote are just plain hypocrites. They put restrictions in place and pontificate on the evils of the drug industry but all never cease putting their hands out for clinical trials, clinical funding and disquised extorsion "requests". Don't be fooled - just follow the money to get a true picture.
 




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I have been through this scenerio many times over the years e.g. OSU, UVA, Georgetown, UPMC just to name a few. Many in these institutions and the initiatives they promote are just plain hypocrites. They put restrictions in place and pontificate on the evils of the drug industry but all never cease putting their hands out for clinical trials, clinical funding and disquised extorsion "requests". Don't be fooled - just follow the money to get a true picture.

So, if we take the numbers from the study as a starting point then 62% of the revenue of Pharma should go away and with it, about 73% of the Pharma Sales Reps jobs. Well, parasites, it's happening with the Affordable Care Act aka "Obama Care".

Now, all of Fed Govt spending is subject to regulation and that is about 50% of all US Health Care spending. So, in all the Fed Govt healthcare programs the schedule will not allow prescribing branded drugs when generics are available. Then, when insurance companies that control the spending in the other half of the US Healthcare economy see how well Obama Care works for reducing and controlling spending on drugs, just see the results of the study in you don't believe it, then they will follow. In a few short years, there will be no market for trying to sell branded drugs to Docs because the insurance will not pay for them.

Pharma backed Obama Care because it delays the inevitable and also expands the Pharma market to more patients. They sold you guys down the river? hahahaha
 




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So, if we take the numbers from the study as a starting point then 62% of the revenue of Pharma should go away and with it, about 73% of the Pharma Sales Reps jobs. Well, parasites, it's happening with the Affordable Care Act aka "Obama Care".

Now, all of Fed Govt spending is subject to regulation and that is about 50% of all US Health Care spending. So, in all the Fed Govt healthcare programs the schedule will not allow prescribing branded drugs when generics are available. Then, when insurance companies that control the spending in the other half of the US Healthcare economy see how well Obama Care works for reducing and controlling spending on drugs, just see the results of the study in you don't believe it, then they will follow. In a few short years, there will be no market for trying to sell branded drugs to Docs because the insurance will not pay for them.

Pharma backed Obama Care because it delays the inevitable and also expands the Pharma market to more patients. They sold you guys down the river? hahahaha

You are commenting on just pharma and I agree with you.However,don't forget the entire iceburg - all medical decisions will be made on a monetary basis e.g. extended care, major medical proceedures, devices and evolvement of substandard medical care across the board centered around not physicians but paramedical personnel, end of life care. If you are over a selected age, have multiple diseases you may not be worth the expense - and if you don't agree you better look at what occurs in Canada and England. Last but not least, physicians themselves will be at the mercy of the "cost container decision makers"reimbursements will continue to shrink and work loads get overly larger. Both pharma and the AMA hopped on the Obamacame bandwagon and they will reap the negative outcomes. I have no sympathy for either.
 




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You are commenting on just pharma and I agree with you.However,don't forget the entire iceburg - all medical decisions will be made on a monetary basis e.g. extended care, major medical proceedures, devices and evolvement of substandard medical care across the board centered around not physicians but paramedical personnel, end of life care. If you are over a selected age, have multiple diseases you may not be worth the expense - and if you don't agree you better look at what occurs in Canada and England. Last but not least, physicians themselves will be at the mercy of the "cost container decision makers"reimbursements will continue to shrink and work loads get overly larger. Both pharma and the AMA hopped on the Obamacame bandwagon and they will reap the negative outcomes. I have no sympathy for either.

So, you agree that at least half of spending on Pharma products in the US is wasted and should be eliminated, that when we do that it will reduce the revenue of Pharma's in a proportional amount and probably the profit margins to a larger disproportionate amount and eventually lead to the elimination of about 75% of the Pharma sales force. Good then let's move on to address you assertions.

Then, if you agree with what I posted below would you also agree when I post just a sampling of the plethora of academic studies that completely blow holes in the scary prospects that you seem to hint at in your teasing of the threat of "death panels" in the Affordable Care Act?

Sure, let's look at what occurs in Canada and England as well as Germany and France and the Scandinavian countries that have Govt controlled healthcare but not limit ourselves to just looking at how people are denied healthcare at the end of life.

First ism it is accepted that the US pays , as a % of our GDP, twice as much as is the average in these other countries. And, there is no indications for any DEMOGRAPHIC of people within the US that they benefit from this spending. No matter your socio-economic status, your race nothing, do your Health Outcomes indicate that you benefit from this spending. There are some studies that indicate that the average person WITH HEALTH INSURNACE and are younger that 55 years old in the US, who is diagnosed with Cancer has a better chance but that is only a small difference and can be easily preservued with regulations. If you are older they will spend more on your cancer in the US but you will have no better outcome than in any other countries that we are comparing them to. Then, if you don't have Healthcare, and you are covered by one of the Fed Govt's Health care safety nets then you have a much lower chance of a positive outcome when cancer is detected because without Health Insurance in the US your cancers are discovered much later. These differences are easily detected and are widely accepted in many studies. By-the-way, if you are non-white (i.e, African American, Hispanic, Asian etc) then you are 3 times more likely to depend on these health care system than if you are Caucasian.

Next, it is widely accepted that ~ 50% of US Healthcare spending is spent on patients in their last year of life. And as was written above, this will make no measurable difference in the outcome if you are white and or over 55 years old and that is only a very small diffence.

You can make some statements like, "Well what if it was you are your loved one that was denied care?". That is a total emotional apeal as there is absolutley no data or reasonable agreement that it would make any difference. But then you can ask, "But what if?" to which I would reply yes, what if we took the spending that we are known to waste and spend it to actually prevent the need for treatment that is PROVEN to have a positive effect and to give healthcare to people to people who now only receive it when it is mostly too late and more expensive.

You are thinking, wow this guy has drank the Koolaid and has totally bought in to the "Socialist" view of Govt supplied healthcare, to which I will reply, "Everything that I have just written was developed by the Heritage Foundation in the 90's in response to the threat of a real Fed Govt Healthcare take over that was threatened by Bill Clinton and the hinting at "death panels" that you made is simply parroting the irrational claims of one side of the political argeuemt. Who, until recently, was saying and writing what I wrote above. Just witness the latest Bozo show with Romney and Gingrich having to deny policies that they once champion using the same ration arguments that I just made.

The reason why Pharma bought into the ACA (Obama Care) was that the data just presented in the study above is well known and will be ever more discussed at the time goes on. And, there are no tradeoffs to the Healthcare system if these costs for drugs are cut. But you say, well profits are required to develop new drugs? In the study it was found that 73% of the drugs in the cabinet had Generic replacements. And, it takes what, about 15-20 years to bring a new drug to the market? So for at least 10-15 years before that period Pharmas were using their profit to develop and license drugs that they KNEW would be only treatments for drugs already treated by Generics then, for the next 15-20 years they still failed to develop new drugs while continueing to manipulate the medical system in order to get Docs to spend more on their branded drugs rather than write scripts for Generics that would have had the same effects. The only trade-offs will be, over a period of time, a significant reduction in Pharma revenues and profits and since Pharma has used those profits over they last 30-40 years to mostly develop branded drugs to compete with generics the US market will not lose any drug development from which we will benefit. Pharmas backed the ACA because they new that the easiest, and painless spending to cut (painful only to them and to the extent that they can make policians feel through lobbying) is cutting spending on Pharma products and this simply delays that while they continue to milk immoral and unethical profits from the US Healthcare market.

And as far as the AMA is concerned, they have the same and more data regarding US Healthcare spending and they too know that noir only would it be immoral and unethical to oppose reforming the US Healthcare System through US Healthcare Insurance it would be only a matter of time until we couldn't afford the ever increasing Healthcare costs with no discernible benefits to US Patients.
 




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So, you agree that at least half of spending on Pharma products in the US is wasted and should be eliminated, that when we do that it will reduce the revenue of Pharma's in a proportional amount and probably the profit margins to a larger disproportionate amount and eventually lead to the elimination of about 75% of the Pharma sales force. Good then let's move on to address you assertions.

Then, if you agree with what I posted below would you also agree when I post just a sampling of the plethora of academic studies that completely blow holes in the scary prospects that you seem to hint at in your teasing of the threat of "death panels" in the Affordable Care Act?

Sure, let's look at what occurs in Canada and England as well as Germany and France and the Scandinavian countries that have Govt controlled healthcare but not limit ourselves to just looking at how people are denied healthcare at the end of life.

First ism it is accepted that the US pays , as a % of our GDP, twice as much as is the average in these other countries. And, there is no indications for any DEMOGRAPHIC of people within the US that they benefit from this spending. No matter your socio-economic status, your race nothing, do your Health Outcomes indicate that you benefit from this spending. There are some studies that indicate that the average person WITH HEALTH INSURNACE and are younger that 55 years old in the US, who is diagnosed with Cancer has a better chance but that is only a small difference and can be easily preservued with regulations. If you are older they will spend more on your cancer in the US but you will have no better outcome than in any other countries that we are comparing them to. Then, if you don't have Healthcare, and you are covered by one of the Fed Govt's Health care safety nets then you have a much lower chance of a positive outcome when cancer is detected because without Health Insurance in the US your cancers are discovered much later. These differences are easily detected and are widely accepted in many studies. By-the-way, if you are non-white (i.e, African American, Hispanic, Asian etc) then you are 3 times more likely to depend on these health care system than if you are Caucasian.

Next, it is widely accepted that ~ 50% of US Healthcare spending is spent on patients in their last year of life. And as was written above, this will make no measurable difference in the outcome if you are white and or over 55 years old and that is only a very small diffence.

You can make some statements like, "Well what if it was you are your loved one that was denied care?". That is a total emotional apeal as there is absolutley no data or reasonable agreement that it would make any difference. But then you can ask, "But what if?" to which I would reply yes, what if we took the spending that we are known to waste and spend it to actually prevent the need for treatment that is PROVEN to have a positive effect and to give healthcare to people to people who now only receive it when it is mostly too late and more expensive.

You are thinking, wow this guy has drank the Koolaid and has totally bought in to the "Socialist" view of Govt supplied healthcare, to which I will reply, "Everything that I have just written was developed by the Heritage Foundation in the 90's in response to the threat of a real Fed Govt Healthcare take over that was threatened by Bill Clinton and the hinting at "death panels" that you made is simply parroting the irrational claims of one side of the political argeuemt. Who, until recently, was saying and writing what I wrote above. Just witness the latest Bozo show with Romney and Gingrich having to deny policies that they once champion using the same ration arguments that I just made.

The reason why Pharma bought into the ACA (Obama Care) was that the data just presented in the study above is well known and will be ever more discussed at the time goes on. And, there are no tradeoffs to the Healthcare system if these costs for drugs are cut. But you say, well profits are required to develop new drugs? In the study it was found that 73% of the drugs in the cabinet had Generic replacements. And, it takes what, about 15-20 years to bring a new drug to the market? So for at least 10-15 years before that period Pharmas were using their profit to develop and license drugs that they KNEW would be only treatments for drugs already treated by Generics then, for the next 15-20 years they still failed to develop new drugs while continueing to manipulate the medical system in order to get Docs to spend more on their branded drugs rather than write scripts for Generics that would have had the same effects. The only trade-offs will be, over a period of time, a significant reduction in Pharma revenues and profits and since Pharma has used those profits over they last 30-40 years to mostly develop branded drugs to compete with generics the US market will not lose any drug development from which we will benefit. Pharmas backed the ACA because they new that the easiest, and painless spending to cut (painful only to them and to the extent that they can make policians feel through lobbying) is cutting spending on Pharma products and this simply delays that while they continue to milk immoral and unethical profits from the US Healthcare market.

And as far as the AMA is concerned, they have the same and more data regarding US Healthcare spending and they too know that noir only would it be immoral and unethical to oppose reforming the US Healthcare System through US Healthcare Insurance it would be only a matter of time until we couldn't afford the ever increasing Healthcare costs with no discernible benefits to US Patients.

20 - 30 years? I've only been a Rep for 16 years and that means that I have been in an industry that screws US patients for my entire career. That isn't going to look too good on LinedIn. My brother-in-law is a big time banker at Bank of America and I thought he was a big time scumbag because of the industry he works in. My God, I will not be able to face any of my daughter's friends parents as this becomes more widely known. Has anyone seen the movie, "Thank you for Smoking"? I feel like I work as a lobbyist for the Tobacco, Gun and Alcohol Industries all rolled into one!
 








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I have been through this scenerio many times over the years e.g. OSU, UVA, Georgetown, UPMC just to name a few. Many in these institutions and the initiatives they promote are just plain hypocrites. They put restrictions in place and pontificate on the evils of the drug industry but all never cease putting their hands out for clinical trials, clinical funding and disquised extorsion "requests". Don't be fooled - just follow the money to get a true picture.

Very true. I have dealt with many institutions over the years. They have implemented various policies to keep us out. They have claimed we brainwash their young residents into using the "wrong" drugs when internet is there for them to search for options too. When it is time for money such as a charity golf (what an oxymoron when a group of physicians want to golf at the expenses of others and still able to claim as charitable and compassionate), they would contact us. They want us to fund their CME programs but not to make any suggestion nor display. I can name more examples.
 




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Cme is real education- and hours we can use. I used to listen to reps but you guys have been very dumbed down. No use anymore and if your studies have flaws know them and don't lie!

I do wish you luck finding new careers as I don't see reps lasting more than another year or two.
 




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Cme is real education- and hours we can use. I used to listen to reps but you guys have been very dumbed down. No use anymore and if your studies have flaws know them and don't lie!

I do wish you luck finding new careers as I don't see reps lasting more than another year or two.

Don't be a hypocrite. CME of course is real. They said stay away and then call us for more money. I just got a request to support their annual CME update. I thought we are scum bags until they need funding. Another moron doc who is holier than thou is asking for support so he can golf at this "charity golf" event. Another hypocrite.

Then that specialist asked if I could find money to buy her an office machine.

Please feel free to stop seeing reps. We don't miss you. We don't even know if you are worthwhile.
 




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It's none of the governments business who drug companies market too; Witt the exception of institutions and federal workers controlled by the Gov. As long as companies are in compliance they can market through sales reps etc. to whom ever they want. This is a basic tenet of a free. Society. People also have the right to ban reps from thier institutions.

The point is this: limiting freedom limits the choices and option of consumers (patients). If you are comfortable with the consequences so be it. But this not my ideal. The market should always be the arbiter.
 




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Don't be a hypocrite. CME of course is real. They said stay away and then call us for more money. I just got a request to support their annual CME update. I thought we are scum bags until they need funding. Another moron doc who is holier than thou is asking for support so he can golf at this "charity golf" event. Another hypocrite.

Then that specialist asked if I could find money to buy her an office machine.

Please feel free to stop seeing reps. We don't miss you. We don't even know if you are worthwhile.

We have a real career as Care providers. You guys once did too, your companies ruined you. Those jobs are going the way of the milkman.
 




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It's none of the governments business who drug companies market too; Witt the exception of institutions and federal workers controlled by the Gov. As long as companies are in compliance they can market through sales reps etc. to whom ever they want. This is a basic tenet of a free. Society. People also have the right to ban reps from thier institutions.

The point is this: limiting freedom limits the choices and option of consumers (patients). If you are comfortable with the consequences so be it. But this not my ideal. The market should always be the arbiter.

You sound like the Tea Bagger who yelled, "Keep your govt hands off of my Medicare," Read the posts above, the Fed Govt spends ~ 50% of the costs of the US Healthcare system so why should they pay your and your company for branded drugs when generics will work. Then the same goes for the other 50 percent of the market.
 




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You sound like the Tea Bagger who yelled, "Keep your govt hands off of my Medicare," Read the posts above, the Fed Govt spends ~ 50% of the costs of the US Healthcare system so why should they pay your and your company for branded drugs when generics will work. Then the same goes for the other 50 percent of the market.

Life is not that simple. Who has to spend the big $ to research and discover that new drug? Certainly not the generic companies. We have to recoup the money spent and then people complain. You cannot have the latest and don't want to pay a dime for it. Americans are spoiled. I myself am taking both Merck branded drugs and generics. Both have their places. Why generic companies are so profitable and doing a lot of M&A? They don't have to spend much in R&D.
 




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You sound like the Tea Bagger who yelled, "Keep your govt hands off of my Medicare," Read the posts above, the Fed Govt spends ~ 50% of the costs of the US Healthcare system so why should they pay your and your company for branded drugs when generics will work. Then the same goes for the other 50 percent of the market.

Fat and unhealthy Americans demand the best but do not want to pay.

Generic manufacturers are good in saying they are for the little guys while making a huge profit.

Doctors like to tell the drug companies to lower their prices while they keep building larger homes and buying nice cars. They also continue to charge the same fee after their medical school loans are paid off (think the same analogy about you guys made enough out of Zocor by now argument).

We are all hypocrites.
 




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Fat and unhealthy Americans demand the best but do not want to pay.

Generic manufacturers are good in saying they are for the little guys while making a huge profit.

Doctors like to tell the drug companies to lower their prices while they keep building larger homes and buying nice cars. They also continue to charge the same fee after their medical school loans are paid off (think the same analogy about you guys made enough out of Zocor by now argument).

We are all hypocrites.

Please dont associate your ilk with doctors and those that save lives. You are snake oil salesmen.
 




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Please dont associate your ilk with doctors and those that save lives. You are snake oil salesmen.

Doc...would you throw all your tools away? This industry and others, like the food industry, equipment makers and others have a whopper to do with your success in caring for patients...Sure bet you need your tools. You're not Houdini; they're not evil.

BTW...I think there might be some research going on with some kind of snack oil... :)
 




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First of all in Europe and other countries that have socialized medicine the marketing and speech of representatives is quite different than what takes place in the United States. If you think our new national healthcare system will permit what is going on and has gone on for years, well you will be quite shocked.
 




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Doc...would you throw all your tools away? This industry and others, like the food industry, equipment makers and others have a whopper to do with your success in caring for patients...Sure bet you need your tools. You're not Houdini; they're not evil.

BTW...I think there might be some research going on with some kind of snack oil... :)

Most of the pills you push are much like party favors for patients. Maybe help a little, patients want a little bag of free stuff. The older meds work just as well for most people.
 




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Life is not that simple. Who has to spend the big $ to research and discover that new drug? Certainly not the generic companies. We have to recoup the money spent and then people complain. You cannot have the latest and don't want to pay a dime for it. Americans are spoiled. I myself am taking both Merck branded drugs and generics. Both have their places. Why generic companies are so profitable and doing a lot of M&A? They don't have to spend much in R&D.

Um, last I checked, the expectation is that drug companies have the patent years to recoup their costs. Not to mention they raise the costs of the branded drugs pretty much every year, sometimes more than once a year. Did Singulair's raw material costs skyrocket the last year it was on patent? No, they did not. So why did the price get raised? Oh, to rake in the last bits of outrageous profit you'd like people to believe is actually the drug's research costs. Puh-leaz.