Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Cost

[Anonymous]

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Stop, stop, stop.... You had me at your no Sherlock Holmes.

Well, you are partly correct. I had you long before Sherlock Holmes, I had you at 3rd Grade.

Seriously though, if Health Care were a restaurant and researchers were the chefs and Dr's the waiters then Pharma Reps wouldn't even be the hostesses. You'd be the guys who valet parked the cars in the parking lot. The biggest problem with the analogy though is that the valet parkers' total compensation is actually in proportion to the value that they add. But they do get tips.

Here's yours - your not even qualified to be a high school science teacher so make some plans as the end of this gravy train fast approaches.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

Well, you are partly correct. I had you long before Sherlock Holmes, I had you at 3rd Grade.

Seriously though, if Health Care were a restaurant and researchers were the chefs and Dr's the waiters then Pharma Reps wouldn't even be the hostesses. You'd be the guys who valet parked the cars in the parking lot. The biggest problem with the analogy though is that the valet parkers' total compensation is actually in proportion to the value that they add. But they do get tips.

Here's yours - your not even qualified to be a high school science teacher so make some plans as the end of this gravy train fast approaches.

Only a moron like you would create an analogy like the one you described then talk about the biggest problem with it. Actually, the biggest problem with your analogy is that a mindless moron, YOU, thought of it and decided to post it. Do you ever get tired of being stupid?

 

[Anonymous]

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Only a moron like you would create an analogy like the one you described then talk about the biggest problem with it. Actually, the biggest problem with your analogy is that a mindless moron, YOU, thought of it and decided to post it. Do you ever get tired of being stupid?

Your retort proves that the apology comparing Reps to Valet Parking Attendants is an insult to Valet Parking Attendants.

 

[Anonymous]

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Your retort proves that the apology comparing Reps to Valet Parking Attendants is an insult to Valet Parking Attendants.

Analogy

 

[Anonymous]

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For any of you who are looking for more "respected" news from the highly regarded Science Daily Journal, today they posted an article on Hank, the Sloth Bear. He is the 1st cub at the Smithsonian National Zoo in 7 yrs. Thanks, Science Daily for the evidence. What a joke. Sad to say, many docs still need reps for info and guidance. Sad, but true. They know which ones they can ask questions of and which ones merely bring lunch.

As for academia, well my good friend went to Mayo with a rare mitochondrial disease. He was told that he had Diabetes. With an A1c of 5.2 and no random blood draws out of norm. They are clueless. So just because someone works at an institution doesn't mean they know what the hell they are doing. We give academics too much credit because they tell us we should respect them more. Take your article with a grain of salt.

I've been a rep and manager for 15 years, and I have to say that the ARROGANCE about the statement about detail reps being necessary beyond incredible. Get over yourselves!!

If youre like most here, this job represents the very highest salary/ benefit that you will ever achieve. I've watched Hall of Famers, Circle of Excellence, and Master Reps from other companies get slashed from Pfizer, BMS, Merck, GSK, and AZ. Many of them spun out of control for 1 to 2 years, then ended up in contract pharma sales at 50 cents on the dollar compared to their last salary.

We give folks from U Michigan, Duke, UNC, U Texas, and Hopkins too much credit? Not even worthy of reply.

Details reps merely spew out 30 second brand messages approved by a Medical/ Legal/ Regulatory review board, drawn up by some Madison Ave ad agency and a friggin MARKETER with a college background in business. Yeh, docs are lining up to hear what WE have to say!!

Doubt me? Get thee to Linked In. If youve been around for a long time, look up former competitors. You'll see what the world thinks of us!

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

I've been a rep and manager for 15 years, and I have to say that the ARROGANCE about the statement about detail reps being necessary beyond incredible. Get over yourselves!!

If youre like most here, this job represents the very highest salary/ benefit that you will ever achieve. I've watched Hall of Famers, Circle of Excellence, and Master Reps from other companies get slashed from Pfizer, BMS, Merck, GSK, and AZ. Many of them spun out of control for 1 to 2 years, then ended up in contract pharma sales at 50 cents on the dollar compared to their last salary.

We give folks from U Michigan, Duke, UNC, U Texas, and Hopkins too much credit? Not even worthy of reply.

Details reps merely spew out 30 second brand messages approved by a Medical/ Legal/ Regulatory review board, drawn up by some Madison Ave ad agency and a friggin MARKETER with a college background in business. Yeh, docs are lining up to hear what WE have to say!!

Doubt me? Get thee to Linked In. If youve been around for a long time, look up former competitors. You'll see what the world thinks of us!

What you spew isn't what the world thinks of us, but what you think of yourself.

 

[Anonymous]

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What you spew isn't what the world thinks of us, but what you think of yourself.

What?! Ok, access to big offices is at an all-time low because they feel that we bring no value. Most busy clinics and group practices big time hospitals and med schools completely ban the pharmaceutical industry (except when they need money). If I see one more book or journal article trashing the industry as a whole, and reps in particular, I'll bust an artery. And your come-back is "thats what you think of yourself"? Maybe in 3 years when youre looking for a job you can be a $65K per year attorney. What a great and thought out come-back! Whats your next retort: "I'm rubber and you're glue?"

Loser...or in pharma detail rep-speak and bad grammar: "YOUR A LOOSER"

 

[Anonymous]

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What?! Ok, access to big offices is at an all-time low because they feel that we bring no value. Most busy clinics and group practices big time hospitals and med schools completely ban the pharmaceutical industry (except when they need money). If I see one more book or journal article trashing the industry as a whole, and reps in particular, I'll bust an artery. And your come-back is "thats what you think of yourself"? Maybe in 3 years when youre looking for a job you can be a $65K per year attorney. What a great and thought out come-back! Whats your next retort: "I'm rubber and you're glue?"

Loser...or in pharma detail rep-speak and bad grammar: "YOUR A LOOSER"

Obama just delayed, by one year, the requirement for employers to report and be fined if they aren't following Onama Care requirements. Brilliant as this eliminates it as an issue for the next election! The Republicans now look like an ignorant drunk standing in front of a bar yelling, "Come out and fight" because they challenged someone inside to "Come outside" and they didn't.

Hahahahahaah!

 

[Anonymous]

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Obama just delayed, by one year, the requirement for employers to report and be fined if they aren't following Onama Care requirements. Brilliant as this eliminates it as an issue for the next election! The Republicans now look like an ignorant drunk standing in front of a bar yelling, "Come out and fight" because they challenged someone inside to "Come outside" and they didn't.

Hahahahahaah!

Yeah, brilliant.... Obama delays the "train wreck" for one year. Clearly an admission from your messiah that this is bad law.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

Obama just delayed, by one year, the requirement for employers to report and be fined if they aren't following Onama Care requirements. Brilliant as this eliminates it as an issue for the next election! The Republicans now look like an ignorant drunk standing in front of a bar yelling, "Come out and fight" because they challenged someone inside to "Come outside" and they didn't.

Hahahahahaah!

Cant you simpletons stay on topic, just for once? Our current field force is proof that the over-use of Ritalin in pedes during the mid to late 80s has severe long term adverse effects.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

What?! Ok, access to big offices is at an all-time low because they feel that we bring no value. Most busy clinics and group practices big time hospitals and med schools completely ban the pharmaceutical industry (except when they need money). If I see one more book or journal article trashing the industry as a whole, and reps in particular, I'll bust an artery. And your come-back is "thats what you think of yourself"? Maybe in 3 years when youre looking for a job you can be a $65K per year attorney. What a great and thought out come-back! Whats your next retort: "I'm rubber and you're glue?"

Loser...or in pharma detail rep-speak and bad grammar: "YOUR A LOOSER"

My access is fine. You need to stop watching MSNBC and reading Bill Maher books. There are plenty of books on sales that accurately describe the mutual benefit of the customer/sales person relationship. You just need to broaden your horizons and lift yourself out of the shit, faux-reality in which liberals languish.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

My access is fine. You need to stop watching MSNBC and reading Bill Maher books. There are plenty of books on sales that accurately describe the mutual benefit of the customer/sales person relationship. You just need to broaden your horizons and lift yourself out of the shit, faux-reality in which liberals languish.

there are no books, no journal articles nothing that talks about the benefits of pharma sales but plenty that cover the parasitic postition of pharma reps. just look that the article that is referenced multiple times in this post.

 

[Anonymous]

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there are no books, no journal articles nothing that talks about the benefits of pharma sales but plenty that cover the parasitic postition of pharma reps. just look that the article that is referenced multiple times in this post.

The referenced study involved something like 6 participants out in the backwoods of the Pacific Northwest. No grand takeaways from this pathetic excuse for a legitimate study.

 

[Anonymous]

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The referenced study involved something like 6 participants out in the backwoods of the Pacific Northwest. No grand takeaways from this pathetic excuse for a legitimate study.

First - every participnat in the study had something more than any Pharma Rep, credibility. They were all licensed medical proffesionals rather than Ford Taurus marginally educated morons. And then, having anything published in any scientific journal is more than an idiot like you could ever hope for.

Then finally, we have a creatin like you presumptively proposing what is a legitimate study or not when it was written by MD PhD and published in a journal from an organization that represents the 2nd largest group of board certified docs in the country.

Your problem is that you forget how much of a real piece of worthless shit that you truely are. You forget, but we don't, that you've made all these claims before and just like this time when you are smacked down again, you come back.

You must hang out with a really fuckin' stupid crown that allows you the freedom to say and beleive really dumb stuff so that when you are not posting here for a while, you come back and think that you can et away with it here too as well.

This ain't the South dumb imbred fuck.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

The referenced study involved something like 6 participants out in the backwoods of the Pacific Northwest. No grand takeaways from this pathetic excuse for a legitimate study.

From the article

"In one of the first reports of its type -- titled "Breaking Up is Hard to Do" -- researchers from Oregon State University, Oregon Health & Science University and the University of Washington outlined the deliberate process that one central Oregon medical clinic went through to remove drug company representatives from their practice. It explored the obstacles they faced and the ultimate, successful result. The findings were just published in the Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine."

What is the American Board of Family Medicine?

"The American Board of Family Medicine (ABFM) is the second largest medical specialty board in the United States."

https://www.theabfm.org/about/index.aspx

And what is the "Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine."?

"the Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine ( JABFM ) is the official peer-reviewed journal of the American Board of Family Medicine (ABFM)."

http://www.jabfm.org/site/misc/about.xhtml

And who are you? a Ford Taurus driving bullshit slop slopping Pharma sales Rep who thinks that listening to Glenn Beck makes him an "uber-businessman" ande who can't even read and correctly and interpret a summary of a scholarly article let alone publish one.

And you think that you can criticize this study and us not laugh at you?

you are a self parody my friend.

 

[Anonymous]

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And what is The Oregon Medical Clinic?
Answer: 3 physicians and 3 nurses.

Wow! Maybe we should restructure society based on the opinion of these 6 individuals.

And maybe you should obsess more about Glen Beck and Fox News.
Maybe The Oregon Medical Clinic can diagnose and treat your psychosis.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

Hmmm.... Interesting

Brian J. Druker, from Oregon Health & Science University, in Portland, became interested in the problem. Working with Nicholas Lydon, a scientist and research program director at Novartis, Druker obtained a small supply of several of the company’s most promising inhibitors and found imatinib mesylate to be the most potent. Despite concerns about its small potential market and toxicity to dogs at high doses, Druker urged Novartis to explore this exciting lead. Novartis finally agreed to support cautious, limited tests in Druker’s clinic and at two other sites. By 1999, Druker was reporting spectacular preliminary results at a national meeting of hematologists, and soon the company was proceeding with large-scale clinical trials. It took only two years for the trials to be completed and the drug to be approved by the FDA. Angell concludes: “[M]ost of Novartis’ research and development investment in Gleevec was made several years after there was good scientific evidence to suggest that the drug would be useful.”

This couldn't possibly be the same Oregon Health & Science University that is now advocating for The Breakup of Physician and Drug Company Relationships.... Could it? Naw... Couldn't be. That would make them HIGHLY HYPOCRITICAL.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

And what is The Oregon Medical Clinic?
Answer: 3 physicians and 3 nurses.

Wow! Maybe we should restructure society based on the opinion of these 6 individuals.

And maybe you should obsess more about Glen Beck and Fox News.
Maybe The Oregon Medical Clinic can diagnose and treat your psychosis.

Again, you think that you have the credibility to make the claim that the study isn't "legitimate" yet the "The American Board of Family Medicine (ABFM) is the second largest medical specialty board in the United States." says otherwise.

https://www.theabfm.org/about/index.aspx

And what is the "Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine."?

"the Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine ( JABFM ) is the official peer-reviewed journal of the American Board of Family Medicine (ABFM)."

http://www.jabfm.org/site/misc/about.xhtml

And who are you? a Ford Taurus driving bullshit slop slopping Pharma sales Rep who thinks that listening to Glenn Beck makes him an "uber-businessman" ande who can't even read and correctly and interpret a summary of a scholarly article let alone publish one.

And you think that you can criticize this study and us not laugh at you?

You are a self parody my friend.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Breakup of Physician, Drug Company Relationship Could Improve Health Care, Cut Co

Hmmm.... Interesting

Brian J. Druker, from Oregon Health & Science University, in Portland, became interested in the problem. Working with Nicholas Lydon, a scientist and research program director at Novartis, Druker obtained a small supply of several of the company’s most promising inhibitors and found imatinib mesylate to be the most potent. Despite concerns about its small potential market and toxicity to dogs at high doses, Druker urged Novartis to explore this exciting lead. Novartis finally agreed to support cautious, limited tests in Druker’s clinic and at two other sites. By 1999, Druker was reporting spectacular preliminary results at a national meeting of hematologists, and soon the company was proceeding with large-scale clinical trials. It took only two years for the trials to be completed and the drug to be approved by the FDA. Angell concludes: “[M]ost of Novartis’ research and development investment in Gleevec was made several years after there was good scientific evidence to suggest that the drug would be useful.”

This couldn't possibly be the same Oregon Health & Science University that is now advocating for The Breakup of Physician and Drug Company Relationships.... Could it? Naw... Couldn't be. That would make them HIGHLY HYPOCRITICAL.

So, now the argument is that if some of a University's researchers take money from Pharma then the whole university is then implicated? Guilt by association? If that is the standard you wish to start holding individuals and institutions to then all of Pharma and Novartis in particular is truely and totally fucked. As this and many other scientific studies have shown the most of the basic current business model of Pharma is a fraud so extending that to the portion that isn't would be very easy. Then, the lawsuits proving despicable wides spread criminal behavior are so ubiqitous that it is widely accepted that, like the Financial Services, paying large fines and settlements are simply the "price of doing business".

Then as has been posted here before - even if a significant portion of the sales of US Pharma companies can clearly labeled as "non-value add" since it is based upon drugs that could be easily and more cheaply replaced with Generics the vast portion of the US Pharma Reps could, should and will be eliminated since it is based even more non-value add activites. So, the US Healthcare market is gradually changed and more of the inneffecient spending is removed and the ellicit profits from uneeded Pharma spending is elimnated the perverse incentives will be removed from acedemic research since Pharma will have much less money to throw at them.

 

[Anonymous]

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What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.