Bad Managers at Ortho McNeil

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Too much fat, too much bureaucracy: at least two whole layers of management could be peeled off. That would actually be beneficial because then there MIGHT be less job justification and peripheral busy work. Our managers actually think that they contribute to our sales.. in reality they only contribute to the degree that they are willing to get out of the way. Do they routinely ask how they can facilitate your success or ask for your input or feedback? It's not they're fault really - for they most part they are cogs in the system. Thinking outside the box (for real, not just some BS expression), taking initiative, and defending subordinates will get your ass canned here. Until middle and upper management are purged, nothing will change. They make the rules and form the strategy; when their plans don't work, YOU did not implement them correctly. Plans and forecasts are NEVER wrong here.
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I can think of lots of times where the plan was wrong and had to be changed in midstream. Lots.
 








You all have sunk to a new low. Its so pathetic to read what you are post about people. As if you all are so perfect, get real... You are doing a job a that someone with a high school education could handle, your not businees people who have ever had to develop strategies or actually account for a tangible sale. Get over it... you are hostile beyond belief cause you are too lazy to get out of an industry that will only be scrutinized more and more as time goes on.

Face it you have no other skills, just because you business card (if were bright enough to order them) says sales rep or senior sales rep it doesnt mean that you are actually any good at it. You drop off samples and bring offices lunch, own it and live with it.

Dont go beating up a manager for wanting to be successful, maybe if you had some drive you might put up consistent results as well....Oh wait I forgot Managed Care is more difficult in your area.

Keep on whining...
 




Anonymous said:
You all have sunk to a new low. Its so pathetic to read what you are post about people. As if you all are so perfect, get real... You are doing a job a that someone with a high school education could handle, your not businees people who have ever had to develop strategies or actually account for a tangible sale. Get over it... you are hostile beyond belief cause you are too lazy to get out of an industry that will only be scrutinized more and more as time goes on.

Face it you have no other skills, just because you business card (if were bright enough to order them) says sales rep or senior sales rep it doesnt mean that you are actually any good at it. You drop off samples and bring offices lunch, own it and live with it.

Dont go beating up a manager for wanting to be successful, maybe if you had some drive you might put up consistent results as well....Oh wait I forgot Managed Care is more difficult in your area.

Keep on whining...
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Wait a minute. DMs are the skill-less creatures who like to hide behind their title to spend 65% of their time at home and could NEVER actually get up everyday and work. I have only ONCE actually seen a DM role play a drug and be good. Actually, I've only seen it once. The others would never even try.
 




TRUE Story! My last manager was a lazy fat A%$ . She was always 1/2 hour to an hour late on ride alongs and then left me at 3pm. WTH??????????????? She claimed to be picking her child up from day care or meeting her P.T. at the gym?

WEll I will tell you this C.A.T- GET A NEW PERSONAL TRAINER because the one you have now.......YOU ARE WASTING YOUR MONEY if you catch my drift! :)
 




Anonymous said:
You all have sunk to a new low. Its so pathetic to read what you are post about people. As if you all are so perfect, get real... You are doing a job a that someone with a high school education could handle, your not businees people who have ever had to develop strategies or actually account for a tangible sale. Get over it... you are hostile beyond belief cause you are too lazy to get out of an industry that will only be scrutinized more and more as time goes on.

Face it you have no other skills, just because you business card (if were bright enough to order them) says sales rep or senior sales rep it doesnt mean that you are actually any good at it. You drop off samples and bring offices lunch, own it and live with it.

Dont go beating up a manager for wanting to be successful, maybe if you had some drive you might put up consistent results as well....Oh wait I forgot Managed Care is more difficult in your area.

Keep on whining...
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This sentiment exemplifies how management feels about reps. BTW, in future rants where you choose to disparage the intelligence of others, you may want to proof-read beforehand.

One question: If pharma reps do not need skills or brains and seemingly do nothing, why are you needed? Go back to your nap and spooning with Ken.
 




Anonymous said:
Your view of budgets is just about what you'd expect from someone who has no clue as to how to appropriate monies. Budgets get moved to those territories with the most potential. Ever hear of return on investment Genius? Maybe he's moving the money to the territories that are actually getting results or to people who are getting things done. Slackers like you want the money and get it, then sit on it and do nothing, they finally wake up in the 4th quarter and realize they need to spend it just to have a zero balance in their budget so they dont get dinged on thier pdm...usually those programs thrown together with little planning yield nothing except feeding useless bottom feeders that provide no return..And if you have "no problem working hard to get results get out there and do it your manager wants nothing more from you than that....GROW UP
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its true that budgets get moved around all the time, i know that, i never denied it. return on investment is obvious to me. i dont think its ethical to leave one rep with no money when they are providing just as much business, using the money and getting a roi, and dont think its ethical when the manager knows the money is being used against company and pharma policy. so before you call me a slacker idiot, and tell me to grow up-look at what i was saying before you comment.
 




Anonymous said:
I heard some stupid, flaky girl turned him in because he told her to share some information that was not Pricara approved with a doctor. The company had no choice but to let him go. If management only knew how many DMs do illegal things everyday they would have to fire so many of them. The bottom line with this girl is that she couldn't stand that Jeff was riding her because her numbers were so bad. I heard that she has never had any good numbers and every year she finds herself in the lower half of the nation no matter what drug she has, but yet she is still here while other very good reps have been laid off for bogus reasons. She has a new manager but her numbers are still in the toilet I wonder who was the right person to be let go.
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OMG, I know who you are talking about she was in my training class she was flaky. Anyway that sucks for JF hopefully he has landed on his feet somewhere and realized like the other displaced reps that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.
 




Anonymous said:
Sorry, nobody tops my manager (WM) in Connecticut. This troll is a total kool aid drinker. I can't wait until the next realignment. I hope to get away from this loser.
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(WM) was my manager as well. Not a bad guy..never had a problem working with him. He is just a spineless jelly fish that is only out for himself. All his reps think the same thing and nobody trusts him. He is amiable enough and will always be nice when you work with him. FCR's won't be really bad either. Just don't trust him.
 








Anonymous said:
This sentiment exemplifies how management feels about reps. BTW, in future rants where you choose to disparage the intelligence of others, you may want to proof-read beforehand.

One question: If pharma reps do not need skills or brains and seemingly do nothing, why are you needed? Go back to your nap and spooning with Ken.
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Eventually most reps will not be needed and this is why pharma companies today are reducing their field sales forces.
 




Anonymous said:
You all have sunk to a new low. Its so pathetic to read what you are post about people. As if you all are so perfect, get real... You are doing a job a that someone with a high school education could handle, your not businees people who have ever had to develop strategies or actually account for a tangible sale. Get over it... you are hostile beyond belief cause you are too lazy to get out of an industry that will only be scrutinized more and more as time goes on.

Face it you have no other skills, just because you business card (if were bright enough to order them) says sales rep or senior sales rep it doesnt mean that you are actually any good at it. You drop off samples and bring offices lunch, own it and live with it.

Dont go beating up a manager for wanting to be successful, maybe if you had some drive you might put up consistent results as well....Oh wait I forgot Managed Care is more difficult in your area.

Keep on whining...
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Wow, What happen to all of the KB stuff I guess if you cry enough anything is possible to remove. Good luck KB you are going to need it.
 








Anonymous said:
Wow, What happen to all of the KB stuff I guess if you cry enough anything is possible to remove. Good luck KB you are going to need it.
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Hilarious! He sure can dish it out, though! Now we know without a shadow of a doubt that he reads this thread; I guess if I were in his shoes and I saw a thread titled, "Bad Managers" I would look for my name as well. You're only hiding from yourself -- nothing new has been shared on this site that those who know you or know of you don't already know about you. You are a laughable fraud. Please have this post omitted so that we have the satisfaction of knowing you read this. Regardless, your team will continue to joke about what an inept idiot you are as a person and a dm.
 




...............LOL It is funny how KB has no prblem degrading others to their face or behind their back; but can not take what is said about him on cafe pharma........... POOR KEN...... U big stupid DBAG!
 




Anonymous said:
(WM) was my manager as well. Not a bad guy..never had a problem working with him. He is just a spineless jelly fish that is only out for himself. All his reps think the same thing and nobody trusts him. He is amiable enough and will always be nice when you work with him. FCR's won't be really bad either. Just don't trust him.
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Mike Baker is still up to his old tricks
 




Anonymous said:
...............LOL It is funny how KB has no prblem degrading others to their face or behind their back; but can not take what is said about him on cafe pharma........... POOR KEN...... U big stupid DBAG!
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That is funny that KB can't take it. It just goes to show how fragile he is and how insecure he is. You are right that all of his past and present reps will continue to laugh at him and he will continue to be the joke of Pricara. KB gives us an early Christmas present and just leave now so we don't have to see your sorry face and deal with your worthless attitude anymore.
 




Anonymous said:
Wow, What happen to all of the KB stuff I guess if you cry enough anything is possible to remove. Good luck KB you are going to need it.
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Notice how the other link on here regarding management has mysteriously dissappeared? Wow those PA managers are something? They cry and cry and get what ever they wany erased from this site.

Suck it up BIG BOYS!!!!!! I did during our ride alongs where I was abused! COME ON BOYS( Management of PA) TIME TO PUT ON YOUR BIG BOY PANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 




Anonymous said:
I actually think the other poster meant to put it another way because I believe you are wrong. A good manager is someone that gets their inspiration and satisfaction out of being a true mentor and supports their reps and is the go-to when issues come up and they need help, support, and guidance. This job is an autonomous one. We are all profewssionals that get the job done and I don't need someone to watch over me everyday. As a rep, I manage MY projects, my time, my money, and all the resources given to me.
Bad managers are the babysitters and spies. They are the ones that use intimidation as their motivation rather than support and positive reinforcement. They are the ones that get emails out and copy the regionals to make themselves look good and could care less about their individual reps. They are motivated by climbing the ladder rather than being a mentor. It is one thing if a rep has poor numbers and isn't working, then a manager needs to reprimand this person to various levels - including termination. Sometimes, a rep has poor numbers and they truly are working to their best potential. Perhaps they are not working smart. Rather than instantly wanting to get rid of this rep, this would be the opportunity for the manager to jump in and help them towards becoming a better rep and working smarter. Unfortunately this usually doesn't happens. Although this industry says it is all about what is best for the patient - in actually reality it is a business and all they care about is the numbers. The most ironic thing is though that the majority of managers out there are not good salespeople....so how can they teach? I can't tell you how many times I have seen reps getting promoting and being stunned, since their numbers as rep were never stellar.
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EXCELLANY AND WELL SAID I COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!!!!
 




Phillip "Sweet P" Ashley...by far the worst manager I've ever had, and I've had a bunch with all the "course corrections" this company has had. Seriously, a lawsuit waiting to happen. A real dirt-bag self-absorbed loser. Very active in his church on the weekends, very active with his female reps too, if you know what I mean.
 




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