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Anonymous said:
Wow! Unbelievable! Thought this contract was relatively secure!
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This is the yin/yang of contract sales.

On the one hand, Quintiles Management is tasked with providing "Human Resources" to the contract customer. Any claim that this is NOT DEHUMANIZING is a pure, unadulterated lie.

On the other hand, people volunteer for this because it's the best alternative of those available, and those recruiting and managing for Quintiles tell us what we want to hear (contracts are stable, the news is good, it might turn into a "permanent" job, and everybody gets a skiddles-crapping unicorn for Christmas) because it protects those managers' egos from the truth, that this is a meat market and the reps are not all that much different from day laborers piling into the back of a pickup truck at a local diner for a day's work.

We all avoid looking at the truth, because it allows us all to save face and whistle past the graveyard...until reality bites us (as it always does).
 






I don't mind so much that the contract has ended prematurely....let's face it the products aren't meeting their initial forecasts. It's the way they treated us that sucks....Why would they put us through all that DVT/PE training, endless conference calls, certification, contest bullshit, and have us start diabetes training when they knew....they KNEW...they we're letting us go?! That's what really sucks and shows they don't give a rats ass about people. They could have very easily let us go end-October and paid severance to the end of December. That would have been the humane thing to do.

I've always had a good work ethic, but I'm sure I'll be taking how I was treated on this contract (from Day 1) to my next position. It definitely will affect how much of myself I give to the next job/company.
 












Anonymous said:
I don't mind so much that the contract has ended prematurely....let's face it the products aren't meeting their initial forecasts. It's the way they treated us that sucks....Why would they put us through all that DVT/PE training, endless conference calls, certification, contest bullshit, and have us start diabetes training when they knew....they KNEW...they we're letting us go?! That's what really sucks and shows they don't give a rats ass about people. They could have very easily let us go end-October and paid severance to the end of December. That would have been the humane thing to do.

I've always had a good work ethic, but I'm sure I'll be taking how I was treated on this contract (from Day 1) to my next position. It definitely will affect how much of myself I give to the next job/company.
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See the post above yours.

Reality is the inverse of, in direct proportion to, the amount of time a company's management spends telling you about how they treat their employees.

J&J spends tons of time telling its employees (and contractors) how "family friendly" they are, and how "professional," and how they treat people as individuals...

I can't speak to other companies; I've only worked for J&J and Quintiles...but the bold text above describes my experiences in spades.
 












Anonymous said:
See the post above yours.

Reality is the inverse of, in direct proportion to, the amount of time a company's management spends telling you about how they treat their employees.

J&J spends tons of time telling its employees (and contractors) how "family friendly" they are, and how "professional," and how they treat people as individuals...

I can't speak to other companies; I've only worked for J&J and Quintiles...but the bold text above describes my experiences in spades.
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You couldn't have summed the experience here any better. Let's not forget the "Credo." The exact same correlation applies to the integrity of organizations who constantly tout how honest they are.
 


















Anonymous said:
I took out a piece of paper and pen to take notes. Just happened to walk by it this evening and started laughing. How silly of me to think I needed paper for this 4 minute CC. I wrote 2 very short lines "Dec 31st" and "one month severance".
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yep, your notes summed it up very well. after all that time they had spent telling us how good and strong the contract was. how janssen needed even more people for the new meds/new indications they have coming, and that we were in a VERY good spot with this contract. heck, they were even thinking that this was going to be "EXTENDING" because of all that was happening.
yea, riiiiigggghhhhtt!
moving on...........
 






Anonymous said:
yep, your notes summed it up very well. after all that time they had spent telling us how good and strong the contract was. how janssen needed even more people for the new meds/new indications they have coming, and that we were in a VERY good spot with this contract. heck, they were even thinking that this was going to be "EXTENDING" because of all that was happening.
yea, riiiiigggghhhhtt!
moving on...........
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Never trust The people at J&J!
 






One key lesson I have learned from working in contract sales for years is understand the metrics a CSO is responsible for. Not only market share growth, but also reach and frequency. Contract companies are paid on so many individual facets of the job. There is also a "vacancy" or "region at capacity" component. So keep in mind, when rumors are making their way through the mill and reps start to see the writing on the wall, management from the top to the region level are all incentivized to tell you whatever you need to hear to stay on board. Shitty, but true. I don't even blame the DMs because they probably want to believe what they are hearing as much as we do, but I will always keep this hard lesson learned the next time I see the rats running out of the cave while the cheerleaders are pointing the way in and talking about growth and contract extensions. Good luck guys.
 






Anonymous said:
One key lesson I have learned from working in contract sales for years is understand the metrics a CSO is responsible for. Not only market share growth, but also reach and frequency. Contract companies are paid on so many individual facets of the job. There is also a "vacancy" or "region at capacity" component. So keep in mind, when rumors are making their way through the mill and reps start to see the writing on the wall, management from the top to the region level are all incentivized to tell you whatever you need to hear to stay on board. Shitty, but true. I don't even blame the DMs because they probably want to believe what they are hearing as much as we do, but I will always keep this hard lesson learned the next time I see the rats running out of the cave while the cheerleaders are pointing the way in and talking about growth and contract extensions. Good luck guys.
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I saw my Q DM fired or reassigned back in AUG I saw the writing on the wall then I began to look Thank goodness I found something a month ago....I am truly sorry to all my Q counterparts...we worked 5 x harder than any of the Janssen folks frankly it is the worst group of lazy reps I have ever seen...I wish you all the best and will help out wherever I can
 






Anonymous said:
See the post above yours.

Reality is the inverse of, in direct proportion to, the amount of time a company's management spends telling you about how they treat their employees.

J&J spends tons of time telling its employees (and contractors) how "family friendly" they are, and how "professional," and how they treat people as individuals...

I can't speak to other companies; I've only worked for J&J and Quintiles...but the bold text above describes my experiences in spades.
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Could not agree with you more. My JnJ manager was the most hypocritical "family man" of all time. Totally treated me like dirt and completely unfairly. SO glad I am off this contract. In my 12 years of Pharma, Janssen was by far the worst company I ever worked for. Will have nothing to do with this company ever again. Peace out.
 






Anonymous said:
Could not agree with you more. My JnJ manager was the most hypocritical "family man" of all time. Totally treated me like dirt and completely unfairly. SO glad I am off this contract. In my 12 years of Pharma, Janssen was by far the worst company I ever worked for. Will have nothing to do with this company ever again. Peace out.
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You're not alone.

I have to wonder about what it takes to be a manager at Janssen (or J&J). Decent people need not apply, I guess.

They sure feel like they're the Good Guys, but it's all just a mask they use, including when they look in the mirror.

This industry as a whole is circling the toilet drain. The response of companies like Janssen is to whip their employees (and contractors) more furiously. They all can FOAD.
 






Anonymous said:
You're not alone.

I have to wonder about what it takes to be a manager at Janssen (or J&J). Decent people need not apply, I guess.

They sure feel like they're the Good Guys, but it's all just a mask they use, including when they look in the mirror.

This industry as a whole is circling the toilet drain. The response of companies like Janssen is to whip their employees (and contractors) more furiously. They all can FOAD.
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Amen. Ditto the comments regarding management. What a bunch of sanctimonious a-holes. Mine passed me up for the spot in my territory for a rep with diabetes experience and told me there were most likely going to be more spots open once Cana gets approved and to reapply then. Thanks for the loyalty, dumbass.
 
























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