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Being educated by pop-culture has obviously left huge gaps in your knowledge of the world.

You actually think Hicks and Brand are pop culture?


What does that make the Pope, who has a 1+ billion network of Catholic adherents?
What does that make Mr. Murdoch and his News Corporation that infects the American and global consciousness with bull$hite entertainment and self-serving propaganda via Fox News?



(Not that I'm putting Francis in the same league as Rupert, <I like the Pope>, but the power these two can wield throughout their networks is quite overwhelmingly pop-cultural.)
 




Perhaps government should just give us based on each according to their ability and to each according to their need.

But then again, why repeat the failures of this ideology? We already know how that story ends, now don't we, moron?

Don't go away mad... just go away.

The issue seems to be that the Apex Predators (largest Corporations / Governments) have out-grown (or at least, severely depleted) their ecologies (SME / middle classes of developed countries), and we're left without any of the complexity between them and the lowest levels (the proletariat, to approximate Marx, or worse still, the destroyed fragments left in Iraq, Libya or failed states and extractive colonialist behaviors): to harp about the state of global fish stocks, I see a lot of similarity between the state of the oceans and the state of modern Capitalism (as human agency is at the bottom of both of them). Being an Apex Predator is useless if you starve (and the question then becomes: the only logical reason for current behaviors is deliberate genocide; both in the oceans and in global terms; if the behavior is emergent, then you have to change the agents).

"The most immediate, dramatic, and humbling revelation flowing from the ACE modeling of macroeconomic systems is the difficulty of constructing economic agents capable of surviving over time, let alone prospering. When firms with fixed costs to cover are responsible for setting their own production and price levels, they risk insolvency. When consumers with physical requirements for food and other essentials must engage in a search process in an attempt to secure these essentials, they risk death. Every other objective pales relative to survival; it is lexicographically prior to almost every other consideration."

Barring the 0.1%, most of the system is kept going by greed, bullshit, stupidity and repetitious non-thinking, coupled with social peer pressure. Even the so-called "experts" in the field, regularly make huge business cock-ups.

Vast amounts of energy are spent in the following ways:

1. Making people want to buy products that have no intrinsic value or difference over their market contemporaries

2. Producing products that have designed obsolescence built-in to guarantee re-purchase

3. Transport that is never figured into price [shipping costs largely] which results in products being outsourced globally and transported two, three, four times.

4. Being unable to rationalize long term benefits to short / medium term projects due to shareholder's expectations on return.

And so on, and so forth.

Bottom line: the system is corrupt. The system is so corrupt and inefficient and dangerously blinkered that vast amounts of time, energy and money are wasted trying to make the boat float. People bang their heads against entry to market issues, bureaucracy and all the old barriers to entry (the 'old' being education, welfare within upbringing, social structures and so on). The problem is that the real power brokers are stuck with the same old issues, and have been for about 100 years now. "Boom and Bust" cycles are a dangerous thing when everyone has nukes; "Uplift" doesn't happen when the difference between 'socialism' (i.e. communitarian-ism) and 'Communism' (i.e. totalitarian communitarian-ism) results in enforced regime change. Corporations don't function sanely when their only rationale is 'profit > all' which necessarily results in a moral double bind in the non-Sociopathic employees, with loss of function (which is why the highest realms of CEOs are statistically much more likely to be sociopaths than in a normal population), but more damagingly, means they can only function in partnership with despotic regimes with ease (i.e. Regulation to protect anything but the profit margin is against their constitution, and so counter their aims, however much their employees may still want to not pollute etc).

The current 'solution' to the issue is Disaster Capitalism, via the IMF; I think originally to get some kind of global meta-social recognition (i.e. The "McDonald's hypothesis" - that countries with McDonald's in them never go to war, which was sadly proven wrong in the Balkans, btw) to give a framework of human experience that would preclude violence.

Now, I've seen it argued that there's no "conspiracy", there's nothing behind the scenes, there's not a separate class who are more 'in the know' than the majority. This is patently false. Governments and Corporations regularly, and with no compunction to ever not to, lie to the world. They lie to the public, their shareholders, their bosses, you name it.

The usual problem cited is that the more you attempt to educate people in reality, the less they want to know, because they either lack the cognition to process the huge amounts of data or are too lazy. People are placing a lot of faith on white knights such as Google & Facebook, and new drugs, to essentially provide those who do not naturally have high levels of social organization / 'will power / focus' with tools to do it for them, without admitting the issues to everyone. (Note: This is a misunderstanding.)

The real issue is stagnation, lack of challenge and lack of new ideas being acted on. The 1960's are labeled as a hugely disruptive and massive social change, especially within America: however, at least they were acted upon. This resulted in a massive reactionary pull back. Add to this that the average ability to process that future is diminishing year on, year out. New social media is not really new, it is merely faster, because you can't eat an Ipad. Texting your friends / updating your web of friends is exactly the same model as gossiping (hello Tweet) which means they succeed (because they are merely the old sped up into the new, time frame by time frame) but are not game changers in their own rights.

In the last 30 years, we've not seen a massive upturn in BRICs like we should, because we've been draining them dry and keeping poverty real to make i-Devices. Shall we remember how many regime changes we manufactured? (i.e., Russia going from "one man takes a gun, next man takes a clip, one man takes a gun, next man takes a clip, if a man dies with a gun, pick it up" to "Here's our new line in modern tanks that beat everything but Panzer IVs and we just made 50 times the amount you've made"... in three years. Or, we could cite the India garments trade where cotton production [subsidized to the tune of ~ $2 billion a year in the USA] is locked into product buying by the majors?

That's not Capitalism, that's state enforced mafia work. Empire at play. And people point to India and claim... "Growing economy". Yep, because call centers and garments for the West are a functioning economy. Not to mention code farming. And that's to a country with nukes - the rest are merely resources waiting to get their infrastructure and cities bombed back into the third world. If you want a hint: name a country that succeeded in the Industrial Revolution without Empire - it is called Germany, and look where the last two attempts to break out & join the club lead.

All this B$ about countries unable to get out of poverty - hint: 1.3 billion people living in the West, getting fat, and making sure their slice of the pie isn't harmed. There's 7 billion people, and the "best minds" of the "the powers that be" are coming up with gems such as "Well, Africa is a write off, we should encourage Asia to educate women and increase birth control."

And they're hungry now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L50OJ3iIkw
 




You actually think Hicks and Brand are pop culture?


What does that make the Pope, who has a 1+ billion network of Catholic adherents?
What does that make Mr. Murdoch and his News Corporation that infects the American and global consciousness with bull$hite entertainment and self-serving propaganda via Fox News?



(Not that I'm putting Francis in the same league as Rupert, <I like the Pope>, but the power these two can wield throughout their networks is quite overwhelmingly pop-cultural.)

I am neither Catholic nor a follower of Fox News. Now what, you pop culture drone?
 








Vast amounts of energy are spent in the following ways:

1. Making people want to buy products that have no intrinsic value or difference over their market contemporaries


I AGREE.... I think Obamacare sucks too. Nothing is more wasteful, redundant or unaccountable than government. Free-Markets are the way to go. Nobody will spend your money more wisely, less wastefully or more accountably than the person who earned it.

So how do we move back to the original idea of America and THE FREE MARKET SYSTEM?
 




The issue seems to be that the Apex Predators (largest Corporations / Governments) have out-grown (or at least, severely depleted) their ecologies (SME / middle classes of developed countries), and we're left without any of the complexity between them and the lowest levels (the proletariat, to approximate Marx, or worse still, the destroyed fragments left in Iraq, Libya or failed states and extractive colonialist behaviors): to harp about the state of global fish stocks, I see a lot of similarity between the state of the oceans and the state of modern Capitalism (as human agency is at the bottom of both of them). Being an Apex Predator is useless if you starve (and the question then becomes: the only logical reason for current behaviors is deliberate genocide; both in the oceans and in global terms; if the behavior is emergent, then you have to change the agents).

"The most immediate, dramatic, and humbling revelation flowing from the ACE modeling of macroeconomic systems is the difficulty of constructing economic agents capable of surviving over time, let alone prospering. When firms with fixed costs to cover are responsible for setting their own production and price levels, they risk insolvency. When consumers with physical requirements for food and other essentials must engage in a search process in an attempt to secure these essentials, they risk death. Every other objective pales relative to survival; it is lexicographically prior to almost every other consideration."

Barring the 0.1%, most of the system is kept going by greed, bullshit, stupidity and repetitious non-thinking, coupled with social peer pressure. Even the so-called "experts" in the field, regularly make huge business cock-ups.

Vast amounts of energy are spent in the following ways:

1. Making people want to buy products that have no intrinsic value or difference over their market contemporaries

2. Producing products that have designed obsolescence built-in to guarantee re-purchase

3. Transport that is never figured into price [shipping costs largely] which results in products being outsourced globally and transported two, three, four times.

4. Being unable to rationalize long term benefits to short / medium term projects due to shareholder's expectations on return.

And so on, and so forth.

Bottom line: the system is corrupt. The system is so corrupt and inefficient and dangerously blinkered that vast amounts of time, energy and money are wasted trying to make the boat float. People bang their heads against entry to market issues, bureaucracy and all the old barriers to entry (the 'old' being education, welfare within upbringing, social structures and so on). The problem is that the real power brokers are stuck with the same old issues, and have been for about 100 years now. "Boom and Bust" cycles are a dangerous thing when everyone has nukes; "Uplift" doesn't happen when the difference between 'socialism' (i.e. communitarian-ism) and 'Communism' (i.e. totalitarian communitarian-ism) results in enforced regime change. Corporations don't function sanely when their only rationale is 'profit > all' which necessarily results in a moral double bind in the non-Sociopathic employees, with loss of function (which is why the highest realms of CEOs are statistically much more likely to be sociopaths than in a normal population), but more damagingly, means they can only function in partnership with despotic regimes with ease (i.e. Regulation to protect anything but the profit margin is against their constitution, and so counter their aims, however much their employees may still want to not pollute etc).

The current 'solution' to the issue is Disaster Capitalism, via the IMF; I think originally to get some kind of global meta-social recognition (i.e. The "McDonald's hypothesis" - that countries with McDonald's in them never go to war, which was sadly proven wrong in the Balkans, btw) to give a framework of human experience that would preclude violence.

Now, I've seen it argued that there's no "conspiracy", there's nothing behind the scenes, there's not a separate class who are more 'in the know' than the majority. This is patently false. Governments and Corporations regularly, and with no compunction to ever not to, lie to the world. They lie to the public, their shareholders, their bosses, you name it.

The usual problem cited is that the more you attempt to educate people in reality, the less they want to know, because they either lack the cognition to process the huge amounts of data or are too lazy. People are placing a lot of faith on white knights such as Google & Facebook, and new drugs, to essentially provide those who do not naturally have high levels of social organization / 'will power / focus' with tools to do it for them, without admitting the issues to everyone. (Note: This is a misunderstanding.)

The real issue is stagnation, lack of challenge and lack of new ideas being acted on. The 1960's are labeled as a hugely disruptive and massive social change, especially within America: however, at least they were acted upon. This resulted in a massive reactionary pull back. Add to this that the average ability to process that future is diminishing year on, year out. New social media is not really new, it is merely faster, because you can't eat an Ipad. Texting your friends / updating your web of friends is exactly the same model as gossiping (hello Tweet) which means they succeed (because they are merely the old sped up into the new, time frame by time frame) but are not game changers in their own rights.

In the last 30 years, we've not seen a massive upturn in BRICs like we should, because we've been draining them dry and keeping poverty real to make i-Devices. Shall we remember how many regime changes we manufactured? (i.e., Russia going from "one man takes a gun, next man takes a clip, one man takes a gun, next man takes a clip, if a man dies with a gun, pick it up" to "Here's our new line in modern tanks that beat everything but Panzer IVs and we just made 50 times the amount you've made"... in three years. Or, we could cite the India garments trade where cotton production [subsidized to the tune of ~ $2 billion a year in the USA] is locked into product buying by the majors?

That's not Capitalism, that's state enforced mafia work. Empire at play. And people point to India and claim... "Growing economy". Yep, because call centers and garments for the West are a functioning economy. Not to mention code farming. And that's to a country with nukes - the rest are merely resources waiting to get their infrastructure and cities bombed back into the third world. If you want a hint: name a country that succeeded in the Industrial Revolution without Empire - it is called Germany, and look where the last two attempts to break out & join the club lead.

All this B$ about countries unable to get out of poverty - hint: 1.3 billion people living in the West, getting fat, and making sure their slice of the pie isn't harmed. There's 7 billion people, and the "best minds" of the "the powers that be" are coming up with gems such as "Well, Africa is a write off, we should encourage Asia to educate women and increase birth control."

And they're hungry now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L50OJ3iIkw

How can somebody type so many words and say NOTHING. The best part of your link was The WalMart commercial that preceded it. You're a secret WalMart spy.
 




A quote, attributed to NOBODY, is WORTHLESS: "The most immediate, dramatic, and humbling revelation flowing from the ACE modeling of macroeconomic systems is the difficulty of constructing economic agents capable of surviving over time, let alone prospering. When firms with fixed costs to cover are responsible for setting their own production and price levels, they risk insolvency. When consumers with physical requirements for food and other essentials must engage in a search process in an attempt to secure these essentials, they risk death. Every other objective pales relative to survival; it is lexicographically prior to almost every other consideration."

And let's face it, regardless of attribution, this particular quote is LESS THAN WORTHLESS.
 




Vast amounts of energy are spent in the following ways:

1. Making people want to buy products that have no intrinsic value or difference over their market contemporaries


I AGREE.... I think Obamacare sucks too. Nothing is more wasteful, redundant or unaccountable than government. Free-Markets are the way to go. Nobody will spend your money more wisely, less wastefully or more accountably than the person who earned it.

So how do we move back to the original idea of America and THE FREE MARKET SYSTEM?

yes, i agree.

but, there's no going back, only forward comrade.
 
















A quote, attributed to NOBODY, is WORTHLESS: "The most immediate, dramatic, and humbling revelation flowing from the ACE modeling of macroeconomic systems is the difficulty of constructing economic agents capable of surviving over time, let alone prospering. When firms with fixed costs to cover are responsible for setting their own production and price levels, they risk insolvency. When consumers with physical requirements for food and other essentials must engage in a search process in an attempt to secure these essentials, they risk death. Every other objective pales relative to survival; it is lexicographically prior to almost every other consideration."

And let's face it, regardless of attribution, this particular quote is LESS THAN WORTHLESS.

AGENT-BASED COMPUTATIONAL ECONOMICS: A CONSTRUCTIVE APPROACH TO ECONOMIC THEORY
http://www2.econ.iastate.edu/tesfatsi/hbintlt.pdf
 




















Embracing the principles of The Free Market is moving forward.


[Starting in 1946] taxes [on the 1%'s incomes were > 90% and] stayed pretty much just that way for the next 15 years, until the early 1960s. Importantly, this was one of the most successful eras in US economic history. The middle class boomed, the economy boomed, and the stock market boomed. And all with the top marginal income tax rate over 90%. This suggests that the Republican mantra about high marginal tax rates killing the economy is, well, a bunch of crap.

http://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-tax-rates?op=1



These were the types of policies that created the middle class. But you'll have to learn that lesson all over again, won't you, moron?
 












Embracing the principles of The Free Market is moving forward.

we have already embraced those principles ever since Adam Smith entered into the prevailing consciousness.



[Posit]
today's (skewed, oligarchic-controlled) markets are emergent from the "free" market dynamics of self-interested individuals (who care less about the ecological footprint they create on others). in other words, when we allowed psychopaths to become + stay rich/powerful and elected/hired their (unwitting) lackeys to run governments and empires, we find ourselves living in today's world, which unsurprisingly is not fundamentally different than past eras.
[/Posit]



an apt metaphor: "we the people" allowed "some people" to OD on freedom akin to letting our loved ones shoot up with lethal doses of heroin. after all, they are simply "free" and "(ir)rational" to make choices without any "external" challenge or intervention. so...this leaves us in a double bind where we simply won't stop each other from (blissfully) suiciding ourselves, because we stand by the principles of "freedom".

or, do we really (like) (want) (need) the Freudian death drive just to feel alive, trapped in a prison of our own desi(gn)(re)?



fact: there are over 7 billion on the planet today, and we're expected to reach 11 billion by 2100 (short of some tinfoil conspiracy crackpot's wet dreams coming true).


what are the implications for a 2101 world by rebooting the system with a McKenna-esque archaic revival of the "free market"?


[Hold that thought...]

http://www.vavatch.co.uk/books/banks/cultnote.htm

FIRSTLY, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: THE CULTURE DOESN'T REALLY EXIST. IT ONLY EXISTS IN MY MIND AND THE MINDS OF THE PEOPLE WHO'VE READ ABOUT IT.

That having been made clear:

The Culture is a group-civilisation formed from seven or eight humanoid species, space-living elements of which established a loose federation approximately nine thousand years ago. The ships and habitats which formed the original alliance required each others' support to pursue and maintain their independence from the political power structures - principally those of mature nation-states and autonomous commercial concerns - they had evolved from.

The Culture, in its history and its on-going form, is an expression of the idea that the nature of space itself determines the type of civilisations which will thrive there.

The thought processes of a tribe, a clan, a country or a nation-state are essentially two-dimensional, and the nature of their power depends on the same flatness. Territory is all-important; resources, living-space, lines of communication; all are determined by the nature of the plane (that the plane is in fact a sphere is irrelevant here); that surface, and the fact the species concerned are bound to it during their evolution, determines the mind-set of a ground-living species. The mind-set of an aquatic or avian species is, of course, rather different.

The galaxy (our galaxy) in the Culture stories is a place long lived-in, and scattered with a variety of life-forms. In its vast and complicated history it has seen waves of empires, federations, colonisations, die-backs, wars, species-specific dark ages, renaissances, periods of mega-structure building and destruction, and whole ages of benign indifference and malign neglect. At the time of the Culture stories, there are perhaps a few dozen major space-faring civilisations, hundreds of minor ones, tens of thousands of species who might develop space-travel, and an uncountable number who have been there, done that, and have either gone into locatable but insular retreats to contemplate who-knows-what, or disappeared from the normal universe altogether to cultivate lives even less comprehensible.

In this era, the Culture is one of the more energetic civilisations, and initially - after its formation, which was not without vicissitudes - by a chance of timing found a relatively quiet galaxy around it, in which there were various other fairly mature civilisations going about their business, traces and relics of the elder cultures scattered about the place, and - due to the fact nobody else had bothered to go wandering on a grand scale for a comparatively long time - lots of interesting 'undiscovered' star systems to explore...

Essentially, the contention is that our currently dominant power systems cannot long survive in space; beyond a certain technological level a degree of anarchy is arguably inevitable and anyway preferable.

[Let go of that thought...]


we have tried "free markets." see [Posit] above.




it's worth a read (or skip to the discussion & conclusion on pages 9 - 12):

Game Theory, Statistical Mechanics and Income Inequality

http://arxiv.org/abs/1406.6620




will the real Adam Smith, please stand up?

http://spartacus-educational.com/PRsmithA.htm

Adam Smith pointed out the dangers of a system that allowed individuals to pursue individual self-interest at the detriment of the rest of society...

Smith went onto argue: "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty and justice. But though the law cannot hinder people of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less to render them necessary."

Smith argued that capitalism results in inequality...

To protect the poor Smith argued for government intervention: ""The man whose whole life is spent in performing a few simple operations, of which the effects are perhaps always the same, or very nearly the same, has no occasion to exert his understanding or to exercise his invention in finding out expedients for removing difficulties which never occur. He naturally loses, therefore, the habit of such exertion, and generally becomes as stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become. The torpor of his mind renders him not only incapable of relishing or bearing a part in any rational conversation, but of conceiving any generous, noble, or tender sentiment, and consequently of forming any just judgment concerning many even of the ordinary duties of private life... But in every improved and civilized society this is the state into which the labouring poor, that is, the great body of the people, must necessarily fall, unless government takes some pains to prevent it."

In the Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations Smith argues that progressive taxation is a vital ingredient in the creation of a fair society: "The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state. The expense of government to the individuals of a great nation is like the expense of management to the joint tenants of a great estate, who are all obliged to contribute in proportion to their respective interests in the estate. In the observation or neglect of this maxim consists what is called the equality or inequality of taxation.