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You are so misinformed buddy...Just because you see us doing weekly inventory at a few accounts, you assume that's all we do. We do this for free- to gain access to hospitals and build relationships with staff. This is a NEED and this helps us sell in EVERY aspect. We don't need permission to come to the OR, see docs and go into cases. WE ARE WANTED THERE!!! we do NOT get paid on suture, when will you assholes learn that?? Our comp is made from CABGs,Ortho and general surgery.
Quit being so GD bitter!! We don't sit around talking about you guys.

Lets get another thing straight. Our variable comp is the equal and in most cases (last year at least) CSRs made more variable comp than endo. True fact, learned it at NTM. So, get off your high horse and go punch the time clock at one of your 5 accounts.
 






Maybe CSR variable comp was higher last year, but you are not factoring in endo base salaries which are WAY higher than suture. That's why so many of the endo reps will be let go in the merger.
 






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You are so misinformed buddy...Just because you see us doing weekly inventory at a few accounts, you assume that's all we do. We do this for free- to gain access to hospitals and build relationships with staff. This is a NEED and this helps us sell in EVERY aspect. We don't need permission to come to the OR, see docs and go into cases. WE ARE WANTED THERE!!! we do NOT get paid on suture, when will you assholes learn that?? Our comp is made from CABGs,Ortho and general surgery.
Quit being so GD bitter!! We don't sit around talking about you guys.

Lets get another thing straight. Our variable comp is the equal and in most cases (last year at least) CSRs made more variable comp than endo. True fact, learned it at NTM. So, get off your high horse and go punch the time clock at one of your 5 accounts.
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Wow, you're wanted there? I've been in this industry for 8+ years and I can count the amount of times I've seen a suture rep in my area on one hand. I get more questions on suture because the hospitals can never seem to track down or know who the suture rep is at their shop. What are you going to teach them? How to tie a knot?

Let's be honest, if your sale was highly technical and surgeons REALLY needed you, you wouldn't have 44+ accounts. You having 44 accounts tells me that what you are doing isn't a necessity or else you wouldn't be spread so thin. You think an ortho or a spine rep has 44 accounts to cover? If you were really needed in your area and the surgeons saw you as a resource where you were critical to their cases, you wouldn't have 44 accounts.
 






We have a ton of accounts because they have to have someone to call for representation on suture questions/service. We DO NOT get paid on suture asshole, how many times do you need to read that to have an understanding??
We narrow our accounts to heart shops and big hernia shops, which are few and far between and yes, we have to be in the cases. It's just like your business big boy. We have competition surrounding us, waiting in line at the scrub sink. Unlike you, our business is not based around contracts for mesh,tacker and prineo.

Why are you so hung up on suture, man? It's just part of the gig and we do inventory to have access. I do inventory at 4 of my accounts-2 of which endo has NO access. I mean, do I need to make a picture pop up book for you to understand this?? Just drop the suture and focus on mesh,fixation and open heart. When you get your shit together and want to cry somemore you can get back to me OR if you want to take your ball and go home, that's cool too.
 












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The bottom line is that the Endo reps are so important to our business that we are about to lay half of them off.
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A suture rep is an absolute waste of time, space, money and resources. Hospitals might as well just call JnJ HQ to get answers. I have never seen a suture rep in a case. Ever. Not to mention most of them wear khakis and polos and drive their Prius' around in circles to make sure they're logging sufficient miles on the company car. I know one dumbass suture rep that used to drive his car 2+ hrs to play gold a few times a week in order to post miles. Sounds like a job where he was "really needed" in the OR.
 






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A suture rep is an absolute waste of time, space, money and resources. Hospitals might as well just call JnJ HQ to get answers. I have never seen a suture rep in a case. Ever. Not to mention most of them wear khakis and polos and drive their Prius' around in circles to make sure they're logging sufficient miles on the company car. I know one dumbass suture rep that used to drive his car 2+ hrs to play gold a few times a week in order to post miles. Sounds like a job where he was "really needed" in the OR.
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That's because suture reps don't go to the same cases as endo reps. They can be found in CABG cases for suture, plastics cases for prineo, and hernia cases for mesh/tacker.
 












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We have a ton of accounts because they have to have someone to call for representation on suture questions/service. We DO NOT get paid on suture asshole, how many times do you need to read that to have an understanding??
We narrow our accounts to heart shops and big hernia shops, which are few and far between and yes, we have to be in the cases. It's just like your business big boy. We have competition surrounding us, waiting in line at the scrub sink. Unlike you, our business is not based around contracts for mesh,tacker and prineo.

Why are you so hung up on suture, man? It's just part of the gig and we do inventory to have access. I do inventory at 4 of my accounts-2 of which endo has NO access. I mean, do I need to make a picture pop up book for you to understand this?? Just drop the suture and focus on mesh,fixation and open heart. When you get your shit together and want to cry somemore you can get back to me OR if you want to take your ball and go home, that's cool too.
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Wow, resort to name calling? I love internet tough guys. You got me, sitting behind your computer acting tough. You seem pretty defensive and are quick to get personal.

I forgot, you guys are so advanced that you had to rely on endo last year to sell your tacker.

The suture team could be replaced by a call center and no one would notice.

Oh wait, who would pass out those knot tying boards to the surgeons? Maybe the suture side is needed..
 






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Wow, resort to name calling? I love internet tough guys. You got me, sitting behind your computer acting tough. You seem pretty defensive and are quick to get personal.

I forgot, you guys are so advanced that you had to rely on endo last year to sell your tacker.

The suture team could be replaced by a call center and no one would notice.

Oh wait, who would pass out those knot tying boards to the surgeons? Maybe the suture side is needed..
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Wait!?!?! Endo reps sold the tacker? In what part of the country? One of my endo reps (there are 4 in my territory) made $16k last year on the tacker and did absolutely nothing for it. The guy doesn't even know what it is.
 






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Wait!?!?! Endo reps sold the tacker? In what part of the country? One of my endo reps (there are 4 in my territory) made $16k last year on the tacker and did absolutely nothing for it. The guy doesn't even know what it is.
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Guys, the reality is that whether it's EES or Inc....it's a terrible gig to have. No one wants to see you in the OR. It isn't a good feeling to be not wanted. Docs roll their eyes when they see an Ethicon rep lurking around the scrub sink. You are a nuisance, both unwanted and unneeded. If you were smart, you would look to bolt this shithole of an organization for a company that brings new technology and excitement to the OR. As it stands, you guys create no value, and it's doubly as bad when you bring your goofy managers into the OR with you. It makes the surgeons life miserable to have to listen to you drone on about suture and trocars. Go get some real jobs you wannabes.
 






Anonymous said:
Guys, the reality is that whether it's EES or Inc....it's a terrible gig to have. No one wants to see you in the OR. It isn't a good feeling to be not wanted. Docs roll their eyes when they see an Ethicon rep lurking around the scrub sink. You are a nuisance, both unwanted and unneeded. If you were smart, you would look to bolt this shithole of an organization for a company that brings new technology and excitement to the OR. As it stands, you guys create no value, and it's doubly as bad when you bring your goofy managers into the OR with you. It makes the surgeons life miserable to have to listen to you drone on about suture and trocars. Go get some real jobs you wannabes.
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You know what else surgeons roll their eyes at? Idiots who refer to them as "docs"
 






Anonymous said:
Guys, the reality is that whether it's EES or Inc....it's a terrible gig to have. No one wants to see you in the OR. It isn't a good feeling to be not wanted. Docs roll their eyes when they see an Ethicon rep lurking around the scrub sink. You are a nuisance, both unwanted and unneeded. If you were smart, you would look to bolt this shithole of an organization for a company that brings new technology and excitement to the OR. As it stands, you guys create no value, and it's doubly as bad when you bring your goofy managers into the OR with you. It makes the surgeons life miserable to have to listen to you drone on about suture and trocars. Go get some real jobs you wannabes.
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CSR here and totally agree with this comment. The only people that want to see you in the OR are your staff that you are friends with. And unless they are in higher position like a coordinator, getting OR access is becoming more restrictive day by day. Not all docs roll their eyes, but yes the market is over satuarated w MDD reps.
 






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Wait!?!?! Endo reps sold the tacker? In what part of the country? One of my endo reps (there are 4 in my territory) made $16k last year on the tacker and did absolutely nothing for it. The guy doesn't even know what it is.
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yeah none of my endo reps did jack for SS, but I dont blame them. Although they should have given the $200 per box sold back to CSRs since we werent making jack
 






Anonymous said:
Guys, the reality is that whether it's EES or Inc....it's a terrible gig to have. No one wants to see you in the OR. It isn't a good feeling to be not wanted. Docs roll their eyes when they see an Ethicon rep lurking around the scrub sink. You are a nuisance, both unwanted and unneeded. If you were smart, you would look to bolt this shithole of an organization for a company that brings new technology and excitement to the OR. As it stands, you guys create no value, and it's doubly as bad when you bring your goofy managers into the OR with you. It makes the surgeons life miserable to have to listen to you drone on about suture and trocars. Go get some real jobs you wannabes.
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Once again, the same rant continues. And like I always say, "What device job adds value." "What device rep is glad to be seen."

I agree with your to a point but we are NO different than ANY other device rep. Sorry, grass is not greener.
 






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A suture rep is an absolute waste of time, space, money and resources. Hospitals might as well just call JnJ HQ to get answers. I have never seen a suture rep in a case. Ever. Not to mention most of them wear khakis and polos and drive their Prius' around in circles to make sure they're logging sufficient miles on the company car. I know one dumbass suture rep that used to drive his car 2+ hrs to play gold a few times a week in order to post miles. Sounds like a job where he was "really needed" in the OR.
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If you are serious, then you have issues. 6 year CSR here making awesome money for 3 days a week work, plus free car, benefits, etc. If you call 24 hours of work per week making $130K/year waste of time, then you sound like an unhappy person in general

Medical device reps are going out the door, unless you are able to work for a company where you can show great return on investment with your products ie Intuitive
 






No longer work for EES. I was a full line so I guess I'm biased but there is no way you can compare an Endo rep to inc or women's health. Everyone was good when I was there but Full Line's carry sooo much product and exposed to everything! I didn't make enough to justify the workload so I left.
 






Anonymous said:
No longer work for EES. I was a full line so I guess I'm biased but there is no way you can compare an Endo rep to inc or women's health. Everyone was good when I was there but Full Line's carry sooo much product and exposed to everything! I didn't make enough to justify the workload so I left.
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So what is the difference between your full-line role and an EP full-line role. EP not only has more products, but also more accounts.
 












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