Xarelto reorg

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Well, looks like most of us survived yet again another yearly reorg with JnJ. So back to the webex's, module learning and taking time out of the field...WAIT-I don't work in the Hospital division, I actually have to work and study! Most, if not all Hospital reps are taking time off again to study for Xarelto...didn't think it was that hard to begin with...maybe I am just smarter than our average Hospital rep...LOL

BTW...If JnJ really wanted to save money, pay fines and give a decent wage to tenured reps-they would get rid of most of the managers. Lets face it...having 6-8 reps to look over is a piece of cake, especially if you have exp'd reps on your team. Managers should have between 10-16 reps and before the Mgrs can say 'WHAT... be real, what do you really contribute when you are with us-not much. Your coaching reports are bogus, your mentoring skills suck and the yearly reviews must take all of 2 weeks to complete for the limited number of reps per managers.

JnJ...WAKE UP and smell the coffe...your mangers have you snowed-get rid of the heavy layer and let your reps SELL!!!
 




Hospital reps are going to take time off again to study for this drug...boy, I am in the wrong division!!!

I hear what you are saying my new manger has 7 reps...all of us have over 5 years with JnJ, don't know haw much he can contribute-but he makes more money than I do-must be doing someone...I mean something right!

Would you like milk, cream or sugar with the coffee?
 




Why so down on hospital reps...jealous?
I don't work a full day, I take credit where credit isn't due, I take time off to study for a drug that the other division will sell just fine without my help and I make more than the other reps that sell the same drug as I do...you should be thankful that I can do so much with so little
 












can j&j do anything right? i really feel like a r***** working here. Always a reorg in progress no wonder none of the reps really care about the business. Janssen is the place to be! in hell
 












Anonymous said:
Why so down on hospital reps...jealous?
I don't work a full day, I take credit where credit isn't due, I take time off to study for a drug that the other division will sell just fine without my help and I make more than the other reps that sell the same drug as I do...you should be thankful that I can do so much with so little
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Hell yes I'm jealous. Always have been. No access, stay home and be a member of the elite. Hell yes.
 




Anonymous said:
The expansion was supposed to be for Retail to support afib. Now Retail's supporting orthopedic as well?
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Expansion? WTF are you talking about?

Managers often have only 8 "slots" to manage, only 75% of which are filled now. The balance presumably will be filled when the FDA gets around to approving X for AF (which is assumed, but given that X's approval was "assumed" for 2009...) in the fall (?????).

The company is adding vast quantities of DMs, but the "influx" of reps isn't due for months.

Imagine what this will look like in November when all the assumptions don't come to fruition?

Is this somehow supposed to look like the early PPI wars 15 years ago, when armies of reps descended like clouds of flies to harass doctors into prescribing THEIR drug instead of the other guy's?

Woe be to the people working for all those freshly minted DMs who, lacking experience, substitute micro-management and verbal beatings for wisdom when the pressure of non-success arrives.
 




Anonymous said:
Well, looks like most of us survived yet again another yearly reorg with JnJ. So back to the webex's, module learning and taking time out of the field...WAIT-I don't work in the Hospital division, I actually have to work and study! Most, if not all Hospital reps are taking time off again to study for Xarelto...didn't think it was that hard to begin with...maybe I am just smarter than our average Hospital rep...LOL

BTW...If JnJ really wanted to save money, pay fines and give a decent wage to tenured reps-they would get rid of most of the managers. Lets face it...having 6-8 reps to look over is a piece of cake, especially if you have exp'd reps on your team. Managers should have between 10-16 reps and before the Mgrs can say 'WHAT... be real, what do you really contribute when you are with us-not much. Your coaching reports are bogus, your mentoring skills suck and the yearly reviews must take all of 2 weeks to complete for the limited number of reps per managers.

JnJ...WAKE UP and smell the coffe...your mangers have you snowed-get rid of the heavy layer and let your reps SELL!!!
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Wow, you hit the nail on the head and have removed ALL DOUBT about the attitude of PriCara Reps- Pain sounds more like. Over confident w/ lack of knowledge and understanding for the acute care settings. You guys wined "Oh, just get Nucynta stocked, what's so hard about that?" Well hospitals just don't stock every drug that comes out. If you guys were such the superior sales force, why would the LAUNCH plan of selling Nucynta in outpatient setting only have changed? Because you guys were not selling it? Oh, is it the hospital reps fault surgeons are having a slow uptake? Most of my Pricara Pain have been calling on those guys longer than I- so doesn't it make them a putz who isn't selling or possibly something to do with the drug? I wouldn't be so quick to tear down especially since you haven't been able to make the cut to move up to institutional. There are lots of good Pricara reps out there- don't believe you're one of them.

So let's talk about time off to study. Yep, I do it- told to by my manager. Have 2-3 hour verbal exams w/ my manager at the end of the week to make certain I understand it too. Do you? We are also pulled 20 ways to "collaborate w/ our JNJ Partners" which isn't a bad thing. Have you ever considered the fact also we're working w/ more drugs and each have different priorities? Just detailing a doc won't generate use in the acute care setting. It's like our coverage w/ Humana. It's Nonformulary- I won't get used.

Grow up, get some class and learn to work with others or you'll be a significant contributor to the failure of X, just as you are significantly contributing to the failure of Nucynta in your local area. I bet you don't share much w/ you hospital rep- afraid they may steal YOUR Doc or YOUR scripts? HAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA

That was theraputic
 




You sound like a hospital rep for sure.
Fact 1
YOU NEVER STOP TALKING or in this case writing. A trait of most hospital reps.
You guy need an active listening class for sure. You guys mostly suck balls with very few exceptions
 




Anonymous said:
Wow, you hit the nail on the head and have removed ALL DOUBT about the attitude of PriCara Reps- Pain sounds more like. Over confident w/ lack of knowledge and understanding for the acute care settings. You guys wined "Oh, just get Nucynta stocked, what's so hard about that?" Well hospitals just don't stock every drug that comes out. If you guys were such the superior sales force, why would the LAUNCH plan of selling Nucynta in outpatient setting only have changed? Because you guys were not selling it? Oh, is it the hospital reps fault surgeons are having a slow uptake? Most of my Pricara Pain have been calling on those guys longer than I- so doesn't it make them a putz who isn't selling or possibly something to do with the drug? I wouldn't be so quick to tear down especially since you haven't been able to make the cut to move up to institutional. There are lots of good Pricara reps out there- don't believe you're one of them.

So let's talk about time off to study. Yep, I do it- told to by my manager. Have 2-3 hour verbal exams w/ my manager at the end of the week to make certain I understand it too. Do you? We are also pulled 20 ways to "collaborate w/ our JNJ Partners" which isn't a bad thing. Have you ever considered the fact also we're working w/ more drugs and each have different priorities? Just detailing a doc won't generate use in the acute care setting. It's like our coverage w/ Humana. It's Nonformulary- I won't get used.

Grow up, get some class and learn to work with others or you'll be a significant contributor to the failure of X, just as you are significantly contributing to the failure of Nucynta in your local area. I bet you don't share much w/ you hospital rep- afraid they may steal YOUR Doc or YOUR scripts? HAAAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAA

That was theraputic
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I'm on your hosp level -- and I have never,ever been involved in a 2-3 hour verbal exam, not weekly or yearly. Who is your DM man? I'd fired 'em.
 




Anonymous said:
I'm on your hosp level -- and I have never,ever been involved in a 2-3 hour verbal exam, not weekly or yearly. Who is your DM man? I'd fired 'em.
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This is the first time in my career where I was expected to have weekly check-in-verbal exams. I think it is regional for our group but for certain a district requirement. Wish is wasn't do but it is
 




Anonymous said:
You sound like a hospital rep for sure.
Fact 1
YOU NEVER STOP TALKING or in this case writing. A trait of most hospital reps.
You guy need an active listening class for sure. You guys mostly suck balls with very few exceptions
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I'll be brief since you can't understand more than a sentence at a time.

I heard you and....

You missed the point.

All you want to do is argue it's US vs. THEM. Teamwork is how you win.

Oh, that hurts.

Get some class, maturity. If this product fails,we all lose
 




Anonymous said:
I'll be brief since you can't understand more than a sentence at a time.

I heard you and....

You missed the point.

All you want to do is argue it's US vs. THEM. Teamwork is how you win.

Oh, that hurts.

Get some class, maturity. If this product fails,we all lose
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Get ready to lose this product is shit
 








I must say, I stumbled onto this board and found this conversation most amusing.

I am a clinical pharmacist in charge of an large anticoagulation program in a hospital. We have pharmacists and nurses working to assure the safe and effective use of anticoagulants in both the inpatient and outpatient setting.

Further, I have worked for many, many years in this field and have both real world, bedside expertise, and know the data inside and out on rivaroxaban. I know much more about this than any MD in my system and carry a ton of influence. (Don't believe me? Well, you'll have to trust me....)

The point? Anyone making fun of hospital reps and the time they need to put in to function are morons. I will eat an unknowledgable rep alive if they come see me. Our poor dabigatran rep was not trained for the hospital, only clinic sales. He failed miserably as we don't just look at the glossy and agree.

Sorry to burst this primary care bubble, but these hospitals guys earn every dollar dealing with assholes like me.
 




Anonymous said:
I must say, I stumbled onto this board and found this conversation most amusing.

I am a clinical pharmacist in charge of an large anticoagulation program in a hospital. We have pharmacists and nurses working to assure the safe and effective use of anticoagulants in both the inpatient and outpatient setting.

Further, I have worked for many, many years in this field and have both real world, bedside expertise, and know the data inside and out on rivaroxaban. I know much more about this than any MD in my system and carry a ton of influence. (Don't believe me? Well, you'll have to trust me....)

The point? Anyone making fun of hospital reps and the time they need to put in to function are morons. I will eat an unknowledgable rep alive if they come see me. Our poor dabigatran rep was not trained for the hospital, only clinic sales. He failed miserably as we don't just look at the glossy and agree.

Sorry to burst this primary care bubble, but these hospitals guys earn every dollar dealing with assholes like me.
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This is why I will only interview and hire those with a pharmacy, nursing, or science backgrounds for any territory vacancies on my team.
 








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