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Why do so many people hate this job?

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Woody said:
Wow...you have a potty mouth. It's a FREE country so you can work where you can get hired. Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would hire you. Just because I liked to help people and docs about my products and the disease state, that makes me a good rep, and you complainer rep. No company had me do anything that was not right. In fact if I had a doc who I thought was shady or not up to par...I could delete them. And I did. I bet many docs deleted you. What happened: Did someone hurt your "Itty Bitty Feelings"? Ha!
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You say the poster has a "potty mouth" and then you try and accuse them of hurt feelings?

Sounds like you are the one that got triggered cochise...

Buck up and go order that next deli tray....easy mayo ok super rep?
 




anonymous said:
You say the poster has a "potty mouth" and then you try and accuse them of hurt feelings?

Sounds like you are the one that got triggered cochise...

Buck up and go order that next deli tray....easy mayo ok super rep?
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Suck my ballz u fat crippled ho mo sausage smugglin sphincter specialist. Trump needs his toilets cleaned get busy half breed shine boy from political board.
 




anonymous said:
Suck my ballz u fat crippled ho mo sausage smugglin sphincter specialist. Trump needs his toilets cleaned get busy half breed shine boy from political board.
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you are one disturbed drug rep...it bugs you being a professional nag with a detail bag? You are a signature collector that gets to wear a suit...convince yourself, it's a real job, selling drugs to some fat slob...

take your ugly sphincter talk to your Thanksgiving family dinner...

you sound like a real turkey...gobble gobble...
 




anonymous said:
you are one disturbed drug rep...it bugs you being a professional nag with a detail bag? You are a signature collector that gets to wear a suit...convince yourself, it's a real job, selling drugs to some fat slob...

take your ugly sphincter talk to your Thanksgiving family dinner...

you sound like a real turkey...gobble gobble...
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You obviously don’t know this industry very well, or at all. No one wears suits anymore. Dumbass.
 




  • Woody   Oct 11, 2019 at 07:59: PM
anonymous said:
You say the poster has a "potty mouth" and then you try and accuse them of hurt feelings?

Sounds like you are the one that got triggered cochise...

Buck up and go order that next deli tray....easy mayo ok super rep?
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you took the job knowing you would have to do this....right! So, do it and shut your PIE hole....get it!
 








I love this gig. Been working 2-3 days a week for years. Made millions....I did choose this career, and my family and I have loved it. I Question anyone who claims to do something better, more family friendly, and make more cash. Finally, don’t come on here claiming to be all noble just because you can’t get hired doing a job like this.
 




anonymous said:
I love this gig. Been working 2-3 days a week for years. Made millions....I did choose this career, and my family and I have loved it. I Question anyone who claims to do something better, more family friendly, and make more cash. Finally, don’t come on here claiming to be all noble just because you can’t get hired doing a job like this.
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serious question...how can you work the 4Ts (Tuesday-Thursday Ten to To) with all the surveillance they have on reps now? I mean there are so many ways they can no where you are when, that it would seem impossible to cheat them on their 40 hours or so now?

How is it done?
 








There is no secret sauce to this job it's a show up everyday job period. There is no magic in getting into the offices just go there and schedule a lunch and have a decent trust worthy personality and over time office will like you. Like most of the reps in Pharma they have self over embellished skill sets. It's literally a show up job. The company even tells you what to say anymore how hard or what kinds of brains are even needed to do it in 2020? Zero, Pharma could teach a responsible High School Kid to do the job anymore and certainly a college degree is not warranted anymore.
 








anonymous said:
There is no secret sauce to this job it's a show up everyday job period. There is no magic in getting into the offices just go there and schedule a lunch and have a decent trust worthy personality and over time office will like you. Like most of the reps in Pharma they have self over embellished skill sets. It's literally a show up job. The company even tells you what to say anymore how hard or what kinds of brains are even needed to do it in 2020? Zero, Pharma could teach a responsible High School Kid to do the job anymore and certainly a college degree is not warranted anymore.
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An accurate assessment of the current state of affairs.
 




Another example of why so many people hate this job (from a recent post on the Syneos board regarding their GSK contract):

I feel for everyone here that's stressing, all the best to everyone here.

Just want to go let a few things regarding GSK:
- The trackers are a GSK Classic. As pointed out, this data is 100% already available. I have no idea why someone would ask you to rewrite existing data? However this is what has been widely used over on the GSK side. It’s busy work.

- With that said, play the game if you’re staying. Put a lot of effort into all of your trackers. Make them nice and have them ready, fake excitement. No way around this if you plan on staying.

- Busy work usually means 1. Someone justifying work. 2. That sales are in a crunch and this is the best idea “leadership” has....Look we know this is a joke, but keep yourself in a positive light and role play this stupid game.

- I don’t think either side is fully comfortable as to what will happen, just do what’s best for you and never stop looking for new roles.
 




Anonymous said:
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Found this post on another thread and it pretty much sums up this bs industry. Another reason why we all have to get out of this business sooner than later.

The Real Reasons I Quit After Over a Decade

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1) I could not endure one more ride along with a DSM with two to three years pharma experience and no life experience "coaching" me and alienating the physicians with whom my counterparts and I had established a good relationship.
2) I could not explain one more time why I was not getting 8 signatures a day when the only way to report signatures was to issue samples and I was given only enough samples per month to give only one half of my targets ONE sample--that's right--ONE sample each.
3) I could not one more time spends thousands of dollars on worthless evening programs that the physicians simply did not want to attend because corporate insisted.
4) I could not attend one more business emphasis meeting with the endless repetitive details and silly games and DMs who "manage" by reading from slide after power point slide.
5) I could not one more time take lunches to office staffs who complained about the quantity/quality/variety of the free food while they bragged they had not bought a lunch for four straight years.
6) I could not one more time pretend interest and have conversations with people with whom I have zero in common and do not care to know the details of their dysfunctional lives.
7) I could not one more time listen to the rah rah lies from all levels--DSM, RSM, corporate.
8) I could not one more day dread having to stand in that damn sample closet and hear, "Need a signature?"
9) I could not one more moment be so bored that there were days that I literally got in my car and screamed to the windshield.
10) I transitioned to a position that was a lateral move financially. Win Win.
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Amen to all of this!! Pharma looks attractive from the outside, but once you start doing the job, it just absolutely sucks! Like this poster said, your coworkers will mainly be complete superficial morons who have never had an original or intelligent thought in their lives. They keep their jobs by being complete kiss-asses to management. Young people just entering pharma, PLEASE TAKE THIS ADVICE: get out now while you still can!! If not, the rest of your career will be spent being kicked around by these a-hole pharma companies who care only about profit. If you want to stay in the health career, do something that has some stability. Get a masters in healthcare administration, get an RN, or get masters in HR. Anything but pharma sales. Trust me on this.
 




anonymous said:
Amen to all of this!! Pharma looks attractive from the outside, but once you start doing the job, it just absolutely sucks! Like this poster said, your coworkers will mainly be complete superficial morons who have never had an original or intelligent thought in their lives. They keep their jobs by being complete kiss-asses to management. Young people just entering pharma, PLEASE TAKE THIS ADVICE: get out now while you still can!! If not, the rest of your career will be spent being kicked around by these a-hole pharma companies who care only about profit. If you want to stay in the health career, do something that has some stability. Get a masters in healthcare administration, get an RN, or get masters in HR. Anything but pharma sales. Trust me on this.
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listen to this post youngin's...truer words were never spoken...

pharma is a seductive beast that you will regret greatly as you age...
 












  • Woody   Oct 31, 2019 at 08:29: PM
anonymous said:
In the 33 years that I have been in the industry, I have never met someone who truly loved this job. Men and women take this job, because it pays the bills better than other jobs. I have also never met anyone, who wasn't glad when they retired from this bullshit!!

If I had to do it over again, I would definitely not choose this shitshow!!
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You should have got a Gov't job. I loved this job. It's reps like you that give it a bad name. Someone who does something for 33 years that does not like it has serious problems.
 




anonymous said:
Amen to all of this!! Pharma looks attractive from the outside, but once you start doing the job, it just absolutely sucks! Like this poster said, your coworkers will mainly be complete superficial morons who have never had an original or intelligent thought in their lives. They keep their jobs by being complete kiss-asses to management. Young people just entering pharma, PLEASE TAKE THIS ADVICE: get out now while you still can!! If not, the rest of your career will be spent being kicked around by these a-hole pharma companies who care only about profit. If you want to stay in the health career, do something that has some stability. Get a masters in healthcare administration, get an RN, or get masters in HR. Anything but pharma sales. Trust me on this.
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This is true. You have to have an exit plan. Take the money while building a business on the side or learning real career skills in another manner. Pharma doesn’t teach you much other than some nominal disease state knowledge and great catering ordering skills.
 




Just saw this post on LinkedIn from a former Takeda manager who was let go and decided to start her own business farming out the desperate as 1099 reps. And she makes working for free sound so enticing! This:

CommEx Consulting is looking for talented, experienced, pharmaceutical field leaders who have a true passion for coaching, training, and developing sales professionals to serve as 1099, part-time, Executive Selling Coaches for one of our client/partners. Span of control will be 5-7 highly motivated representatives and interested leaders must commit to approximately 2 field coaching sessions/representative/month. Benefits include working with a gold standard product in the class, a first class global pharma company, and most rewarding, the ability to positively impact the careers of new representatives as they enter into this fulfilling industry where we impact the lives of patients each and every day.
 




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