What's the time frame on an LOC?

[Anonymous]

Not true at all. All of my partners have been here 5+ years and have never made PC. yet they're still here not "churn and burned" like this degenerate claims.

^We found one immature Forest defender. 99.9% chance that everyone on your team is miserable and are ready to leave in a hertbeat. They hate your fucking guts and their punkass managers. They would never tell you because your a homer douche.

 

[Anonymous]

Not true at all. All of my partners have been here 5+ years and have never made PC. yet they're still here not "churn and burned" like this degenerate claims.

Ill follow up with the other poster

Exhibit 2 : 5 years. Forest has been around for awhile and your partners have 5 years experience. Ponder that. Then look at other teams and postings and you will realize that the stats do not lie. Forest is a churn and burn corporation. If you like Forest, good for you. I actually have a friend who HAS been with them nearly 15 years he likes it. But he also sees it for what it is. His team also averages 3 years experience if you take him out. Managers get all excited to talk to other managers about Reps on LoC's. They really don't feel they are doing their job if they don't put one or two out every year. It's a shame and a warped way of doing business. I prefer managers who take pride in having good reps and making them better. Not managers who judge themselves by how many reps they can run off. Plus, they can ' honestly' say they have never fired anyone.
Clear eyes, full heart.

 

[Anonymous]

Ill follow up with the other poster

Exhibit 2 : 5 years. Forest has been around for awhile and your partners have 5 years experience. Ponder that. Then look at other teams and postings and you will realize that the stats do not lie. Forest is a churn and burn corporation. If you like Forest, good for you. I actually have a friend who HAS been with them nearly 15 years he likes it. But he also sees it for what it is. His team also averages 3 years experience if you take him out. Managers get all excited to talk to other managers about Reps on LoC's. They really don't feel they are doing their job if they don't put one or two out every year. It's a shame and a warped way of doing business. I prefer managers who take pride in having good reps and making them better. Not managers who judge themselves by how many reps they can run off. Plus, they can ' honestly' say they have never fired anyone.
Clear eyes, full heart.

So why dont you just quit and find something else if your so miserable douchebag?

 

[Anonymous]

So why dont you just quit and find something else if your so miserable douchebag?

Exhibit #3. When all else fails and you have been out witted resort to name calling. Ever notice how no matter how good a rep is at Forest, the minute they leave, rumors and innuendo about how they weren't that good surface? Managers take little digs that 'they just couldn't cut it' or 'their counterparts were really the ones responsible'. Which, when you go full circle, is actually an indictment against the Manager for both not being able to recognize this 'fatal flaw' in the interview process or being able to lead the rep to success. But most FRX managers can't think that far or in such a complex manner.

 

[Anonymous]

We are smarter than u think. That's why we are you're boss. Now get to work and increase my bonus

 

[Anonymous]

Exhibit #3. When all else fails and you have been out witted resort to name calling. Ever notice how no matter how good a rep is at Forest, the minute they leave, rumors and innuendo about how they weren't that good surface? Managers take little digs that 'they just couldn't cut it' or 'their counterparts were really the ones responsible'. Which, when you go full circle, is actually an indictment against the Manager for both not being able to recognize this 'fatal flaw' in the interview process or being able to lead the rep to success. But most FRX managers can't think that far or in such a complex manner.

Another productive day for this loser, couldn't wait to get up in the a.m. and get back on CP. Must be a fun life being the miserable, whiny, condescending little prick you are. I bet your doctors must love seeing your whiny little face walking through that door! Nope, its not that manager, the territory, your partners, the doctor. It's you buddy, you just plain suck at your job and probably have never actually had to sell anything before you got this easy job.

 

[Anonymous]

Another productive day for this loser, couldn't wait to get up in the a.m. and get back on CP. Must be a fun life being the miserable, whiny, condescending little prick you are. I bet your doctors must love seeing your whiny little face walking through that door! Nope, its not that manager, the territory, your partners, the doctor. It's you buddy, you just plain suck at your job and probably have never actually had to sell anything before you got this easy job.

Someone must have hit a nerve. Maybe the guy/girl got up early because they are getting ready to go to work? And you do make his/her point. You make fun of him/her for posting on CP, yet you do the same thing. Had this post been later in the day you probably would have said they are not working b/c they are too busy posting on CP.
Their post was none of the things you described. However, a glance at you replies shows that you are apparently the ' whining, condescending little prick'. I would venture a guess that the poster has more years of experience than you and does not work at Forest. You, however have done a great job illustrating everyone's point about the incompetence, arrogance and vindictiveness of a lot of Forest managers. I'm sure you are proud

 

[Anonymous]

Someone must have hit a nerve. Maybe the guy/girl got up early because they are getting ready to go to work? And you do make his/her point. You make fun of him/her for posting on CP, yet you do the same thing. Had this post been later in the day you probably would have said they are not working b/c they are too busy posting on CP.
Their post was none of the things you described. However, a glance at you replies shows that you are apparently the ' whining, condescending little prick'. I would venture a guess that the poster has more years of experience than you and does not work at Forest. You, however have done a great job illustrating everyone's point about the incompetence, arrogance and vindictiveness of a lot of Forest managers. I'm sure you are proud

Get to work loser

 

[Anonymous]

Get to work loser

As the OP for # 22 I say Game, Set and Match to the other guy. By your last post you firmly indicate a Do As I Say Not As I Do policy and your only rebuttal is to name call. You sir are the quintessential Forest Mgr. And history has proven that companies with managers like that are not long in the business world.

 

[Anonymous]

Once this starts your done. These stupid young DMS get off on taking you down. It's sad to say its hard to see this company going to this. Long time rep. Just to let you know that 6-8 years ago this was a great company to rep for. I have always thought Howard Soloman was a great CEO but, I think he has no idea how the sales force is treated now. Very sad to see this company going down like this. We as reps made this company as Howard always stated at national meetings. Things will just get extremely worst when Howard retires. I hope him the best but I think if he really knew how things are now he would clean house.

 

[Anonymous]

Once this starts your done. These stupid young DMS get off on taking you down. It's sad to say its hard to see this company going to this. Long time rep. Just to let you know that 6-8 years ago this was a great company to rep for. I have always thought Howard Soloman was a great CEO but, I think he has no idea how the sales force is treated now. Very sad to see this company going down like this. We as reps made this company as Howard always stated at national meetings. Things will just get extremely worst when Howard retires. I hope him the best but I think if he really knew how things are now he would clean house.

What's the old saying? 'If you have to tell someone you are in charge you really aren't.' You are right about the change in the treatment of the sales team over the last 8 years. We have to look no further then the 6 year veteran name caller on this board. I will disagree about Howard Solomon's departure and won't have to call you names or anything! I think he knows but just doesn't care anymore. His interest has been directed elsewhere. If/when there is a turn over at the top things will get better for the reps but until then stay buckled in with you arms and legs inside the car at all times

 

[Anonymous]

We are smarter than u think. That's why we are you're boss. Now get to work and increase my bonus

Most of us already know "the game" here. Either we've been targeted or one of our partners who doesn't deserve it has. Are some reps targeted justifiably? Yeah, of course. Set them aside and think about what we KNOW you know about managers and RDs acting like their taking action and addressing their lackluster results by DM targeting one or two of their reps at a time for LOCs that will inevitably lead to warnings and a target for termination. In ten plus years the numbers never get better after this scenario and the nightmare it brings to those targeted. You ask us to sell on evidence, efficacy, and outcomes. Where's the evidence to support what you a ** clowns are doing??? Are you above every bit of insight on sales management that's ever been published or recognized? Why? Check out what some real leaders think. Jobs, Gates, Lombardi, Wooden, Lincoln, MLK.....you're above the most admired, respected, and effective leaders in history??? Smh

 

[Anonymous]

Most of us already know "the game" here. Either we've been targeted or one of our partners who doesn't deserve it has. Are some reps targeted justifiably? Yeah, of course. Set them aside and think about what we KNOW you know about managers and RDs acting like their taking action and addressing their lackluster results by DM targeting one or two of their reps at a time for LOCs that will inevitably lead to warnings and a target for termination. In ten plus years the numbers never get better after this scenario and the nightmare it brings to those targeted. You ask us to sell on evidence, efficacy, and outcomes. Where's the evidence to support what you a ** clowns are doing??? Are you above every bit of insight on sales management that's ever been published or recognized? Why? Check out what some real leaders think. Jobs, Gates, Lombardi, Wooden, Lincoln, MLK.....you're above the most admired, respected, and effective leaders in history??? Smh

I'm afraid they are probably modeling their leadership styles on Jobs and Welch. Jobs was a genius but an absolute azzhat of a person and manager. Welch said you should continually fire the bottom 10% of your staff. Unfortunately no one here amongst the trees knows that Welch retracted that statement because it was an unsustainable model. The more people you fire or 'leave on their own' the less effective you can be as a sales force.

 

[Anonymous]

what does LOC stand for?

 

[Anonymous]

what does LOC stand for?

Letter of Concern. I hope you get this before you get blasted. Just trying to be nice

 

[Anonymous]

Why on earth would anyone agree to sign an LOC??? The entire thing is based on the premise that the LOC is based on facts, correct? Well, has anyone ever received one from their DM that was not completely fabricated? DO NOT SIGN IT if it is not 100% accurate!!!!!!

 

[Anonymous]

As the OP for # 22 I say Game, Set and Match to the other guy. By your last post you firmly indicate a Do As I Say Not As I Do policy and your only rebuttal is to name call. You sir are the quintessential Forest Mgr. And history has proven that companies with managers like that are not long in the business world.

Try selling something you noodle cake

 

[Anonymous]

I was on an loc, low, probation, and was lucky enough to leave on my own. The DMs use this as a way to push the bottom 25% out. Leaving here was the best thing thats ever happend to me.

 

[Anonymous]

Why on earth would anyone agree to sign an LOC??? The entire thing is based on the premise that the LOC is based on facts, correct? Well, has anyone ever received one from their DM that was not completely fabricated? DO NOT SIGN IT if it is not 100% accurate!!!!!!

to sign or not sign. how does it help you if you don't sign<\?