What the h*ll is going on here?

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It's such a screwed up dynamic. The RD tells their managers what to say, how to act, how to score their reps, basically how to take a crap and wipe their asses. Then they ask them to rank their reps. Well gee, let's see, the top rep is going to be the one who best "parrots" their manager who has already bent over for their boss. The one who copies their ridiculous language and leaves BS success stories that say things like waxes and wanes and PVR, are you kidding me? Do you think the docs don't understand this shit? Teach them some more Einsteins. I guess we should all be smart enough to just copy everything they do, laugh at their jokes, tell them what great leaders they are, ....oh wait, no thanks, I have a brain...and integrity.
 






To answer the question from earlier I have moved on to the furniture industry as it is more stable and less stressful. Money is better and I dont have to cross my fingers when the numbers come out. My boss was a prick but here he respects me and sees me as an asset. I feel for all you peeps that are going through this BS. It takes 6-8 months for them to fire you so go get your sigs and then spend the rest of your day finding a new gig and not in the pharma industry. There is a common theme and not just with this shitty company. Times have changed and the golden handcuffs are just not worth it. Quality of life is way more important then telling people I work for a pharma company. Its the biggest waist of time and turns really good sales people into really good marketers yet the a holes above cant swallow that. Have fun DETAILING. Begging for scripts and bringing food to all the fattys. Forest is still the biggest piece out there and if the business model doesnt change neither will the reps. Good luck and once again. Get the F out!
 






Wow, what in the world is going on over there?! I worked at Forest years ago, and am thankful that they helped me get my foot in the door, but having been with several other companies since (8 yrs since I was with Forest) I am always reminded of how crazy things were there, even then. The good news is that companies love to hire from Forest because they know you must have one hell of a work ethic if you can survive there with all the meaningless BS after hours. The pharma world has certainly changed over the years, and Forest refuses to change with it. Occasionally I like to get on here and just see what's going on at companies I used to work for. I always get a good laugh out of the Forest posts, but this string is actually insightful and not full of needless bashing. My advice to you guys would be to get those resumes together and start looking at other industries, even if they're related -- like medical device, etc. You really won't believe how much higher your quality of life is once you're out of there. Good luck to you all.
 






WOW, I am in agreement with the post above. I was with Forest for 8 years as well. I put my heart and soul into this company. I have to say that unlike many of the posts on this thread, I would NOT say that Forest, in MY area, cared too much for the reps or had our best interest at heart. I almost laughed out loud (with no disrespect) at the post who said they saw 3 reps pushed out. I saw at least 3 pushed out of MY own territory in less than 3 years . It seemed to be the trend in my region. No matter who you were or how well you performed at one time or another, you were always going to be "bullied" by management when it was your turn. I saw some AMAZING reps get treated VERY poorly and maybe just because they had a "down" month or quarter. I stayed around for so long defending Forest because I honestly thought that being treated with such disrespect from management was going to be the same at all companies. Let me just say that it is NOT the same. Forest does beat the shit out of the competition when it comes to selling/marketing (and our training), but it is UNBELIEVABLE how they get away with the way they treat very GOOD talented people.....Good reps who put up with the "bad reputation" and bashing from "big pharma" Unfortunately, today's job market doesn't give anyone much of a choice, but speaking from experience, if you have an "out" TAKE IT. i guarantee your life will change....you WILL sleep at night. You will look back and wonder how you gave your blood and guts to Forest for so long. Don't let them tell you how BAD you are or how what you do isn't good enough. Makes me sick for you guys going through it. I wish you the best.
 






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WOW, I am in agreement with the post above. I was with Forest for 8 years as well. I put my heart and soul into this company. I have to say that unlike many of the posts on this thread, I would NOT say that Forest, in MY area, cared too much for the reps or had our best interest at heart. I almost laughed out loud (with no disrespect) at the post who said they saw 3 reps pushed out. I saw at least 3 pushed out of MY own territory in less than 3 years . It seemed to be the trend in my region. No matter who you were or how well you performed at one time or another, you were always going to be "bullied" by management when it was your turn. I saw some AMAZING reps get treated VERY poorly and maybe just because they had a "down" month or quarter. I stayed around for so long defending Forest because I honestly thought that being treated with such disrespect from management was going to be the same at all companies. Let me just say that it is NOT the same. Forest does beat the shit out of the competition when it comes to selling/marketing (and our training), but it is UNBELIEVABLE how they get away with the way they treat very GOOD talented people.....Good reps who put up with the "bad reputation" and bashing from "big pharma" Unfortunately, today's job market doesn't give anyone much of a choice, but speaking from experience, if you have an "out" TAKE IT. i guarantee your life will change....you WILL sleep at night. You will look back and wonder how you gave your blood and guts to Forest for so long. Don't let them tell you how BAD you are or how what you do isn't good enough. Makes me sick for you guys going through it. I wish you the best.
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This is so true!! After being bullied and harrassed by a worthless loser of a "manager", I am free. The relief from the constant stress, sleeplessness, and threats is great! I too put my heart and soul into Forest for years and was bullied unbelievably for the last year. I realized that life is too short to put up with someone who is so ugly (inside and out) that he has to take it out on others. He has had numerous HR complaints and a lawsuit....and another one coming! Get out and get your life back if you are miserable!
 






Anonymous said:
This is so true!! After being bullied and harrassed by a worthless loser of a "manager", I am free. The relief from the constant stress, sleeplessness, and threats is great! I too put my heart and soul into Forest for years and was bullied unbelievably for the last year. I realized that life is too short to put up with someone who is so ugly (inside and out) that he has to take it out on others. He has had numerous HR complaints and a lawsuit....and another one coming! Get out and get your life back if you are miserable!
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Can you tell me who you're referring to here? I need help!
 






Sorry, but we can't say who we are or give specifics, you know that! Look up all the labor laws and previous settlements in your state. Find a reputable labor law attorney and get a consultation and some advice. We are at will employees but we still have rights.
-do you have any medical disability or diagnosis? Anxiety, ADD, etc. Honestly, this stress may f'ing kill me.
-are you not being treated or held to the same standard as the entire sales force? Do you have specific examples of this?
-are you being discriminated against for some reason? are you a minority? Are you over 40?

Play it smart! Just like anything else, it will take hard work.
 






I am so HAPPY to be out of that place! You will find another job if you put in the effort. Just make the choice to be happier and then DO SOMETHING about it. So many act as though there is no life after Forest....but I can assure you, there are better jobs, better companies and better people to work for out there. The choice to do something is always YOURS. Good luck!
 






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I am so HAPPY to be out of that place! You will find another job if you put in the effort. Just make the choice to be happier and then DO SOMETHING about it. So many act as though there is no life after Forest....but I can assure you, there are better jobs, better companies and better people to work for out there. The choice to do something is always YOURS. Good luck!
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This poster is absolutely right, the grass is greener! You can break free of the golden handcuffs. For once, someone posts something positive and true. If this company is chosing to rid themselves of quality employees, so be it! Go market yourself to a direct competitor, his them where it hurts. Don't let the talking heads who work for this company make you devalue yourself or your abilities. And most of all, do not let the stress from this job (and it is just a job) be a detriment to your family and friends.
 






Ditto: Did my time for 11 years at FP many moons ago. Another 15 with a different company
1) It is always about Wall Street, never the pt, the med or the dr
2) They can and will replace you with a younger, sexier less expensive you
3) Dr's have no respect for any of us, in any company. We as an indusrty ruined it
4) Every company drags down their reps with useless busy work. It is an information society and they can't help themselves. Even when it negativley effects sales.
5) All the above applies to every pharna company.
6) Take control. get out. It's ok if you don't go to Vegas or you have to buy a car and pay for gas. Life is for the living, pharma is for the dead.

Good Luck All
 












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