What happened to the SF and LA reps

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The SF territory is no joke. If the goal is to get your drug on formulary within a specified period of time, you have to contend with access issues, the fact that they aren't going to convene a special P&T meeting just to review your drug, apathy, and a general disdain for reps, especially at the academic institutions. So "getting it done" sometimes simply cannot happen due to dynamics in the territory. I think Stanford is doing well, but they were also involved in the studies, or at least I think they were. In the city you have CPMC, San Fran General, and UCSF being the main accts. They just don't invite you in and tell you that they will start using your product. I used to live there and called on SF exclusively, and this was 4 years ago. It was hard then, and I'm sure it's more of a bitch at this point. I know reps that are still there and successful, but they have both been there for 10 years and have rock-hard relationships in the same space. Be careful what you wish for.
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Why you have a hard-on for this thread is a mystery. Can you please let it die, so we can go back to bitching about not making any money? We get it you are the SF pharmaceutical market guru, now please, go away.
 






Anonymous said:
The SF territory is no joke. If the goal is to get your drug on formulary within a specified period of time, you have to contend with access issues, the fact that they aren't going to convene a special P&T meeting just to review your drug, apathy, and a general disdain for reps, especially at the academic institutions. So "getting it done" sometimes simply cannot happen due to dynamics in the territory. I think Stanford is doing well, but they were also involved in the studies, or at least I think they were. In the city you have CPMC, San Fran General, and UCSF being the main accts. They just don't invite you in and tell you that they will start using your product. I used to live there and called on SF exclusively, and this was 4 years ago. It was hard then, and I'm sure it's more of a bitch at this point. I know reps that are still there and successful, but they have both been there for 10 years and have rock-hard relationships in the same space. Be careful what you wish for.
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Why you have a hard-on for this thread is a mystery. Can you please let it die, so we can go back to bitching about not making any money? We get it you are the SF pharmaceutical market guru, now please, go away.
 






Anonymous said:
How many times do we have to state it? She wasn't let go! Stop causing trouble idiot. Besides, do you think a new company would start firing people so early on? So stop it dude.
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Actually, I know Forest Labs has put reps on Plan after 4 months into drug launch. No joke. My division has 2 reps on a plan for performance.
 






Anonymous said:
How many times do we have to state it? She wasn't let go! Stop causing trouble idiot. Besides, do you think a new company would start firing people so early on? So stop it dude.
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no, jackass I was asking how the hell you can say that she was let go based on the posts here. I wasn't saying she was let go. Reading comp 101.
 






Anonymous said:
Why you have a hard-on for this thread is a mystery. Can you please let it die, so we can go back to bitching about not making any money? We get it you are the SF pharmaceutical market guru, now please, go away.
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I'm a woman, so no hard-on. I am kind of wet though seeing your double posts. Why do you have a hardon enough to post the same thing twice?
 






























Anonymous said:
Because I know her and she quit and wanted out. Totally her choice. You are the jackass for not dropping it
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you can't read. the post you are referring to was stating that there was no way to know one way or the other whether she left on her own or was let go, as some people here were doing. The post you answered didn't state either.

As for not dropping it, you keep posting about dropping, which cannot happen unless, well, you drop it.

Besides, I for one want to know what the heck went on in that territory. I heard the rep was doing quite well with getting it on formulary at the major institutions in the area.
 






Anonymous said:
you can't read. the post you are referring to was stating that there was no way to know one way or the other whether she left on her own or was let go, as some people here were doing. The post you answered didn't state either.

As for not dropping it, you keep posting about dropping, which cannot happen unless, well, you drop it.

Besides, I for one want to know what the heck went on in that territory. I heard the rep was doing quite well with getting it on formulary at the major institutions in the area.
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So drop it already
 












Anonymous said:
you can't read. the post you are referring to was stating that there was no way to know one way or the other whether she left on her own or was let go, as some people here were doing. The post you answered didn't state either.

As for not dropping it, you keep posting about dropping, which cannot happen unless, well, you drop it.

Besides, I for one want to know what the heck went on in that territory. I heard the rep was doing quite well with getting it on formulary at the major institutions in the area.
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I thought the SF territory was performing poorly and her manager was riding her hard. I doubt it was really a one-sided break up. As much as we complain, this Cadence opportunity is a highly coveted position. Unless she had a sugar daddy, I don't think she would walk away from a high performing territory in biotech.
 






Anonymous said:
I thought the SF territory was performing poorly and her manager was riding her hard. I doubt it was really a one-sided break up. As much as we complain, this Cadence opportunity is a highly coveted position. Unless she had a sugar daddy, I don't think she would walk away from a high performing territory in biotech.
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lol @highly coveted!! I mean, seriously, it's tylenol. If this is your idea of "highly coveted", then I fear you have absolutely no aspirations in life. It's just a fucking job.

Anyway, from what I hear, it's on all of the formularies in that territory. If getting the drug on pretty much everywhere in a short period of time is underperforming, then everyone should be rich here before it's all said and done. Whoever gets the territory will have an easy time of it.
 






Anonymous said:
lol @highly coveted!! I mean, seriously, it's tylenol. If this is your idea of "highly coveted", then I fear you have absolutely no aspirations in life. It's just a fucking job.

Anyway, from what I hear, it's on all of the formularies in that territory. If getting the drug on pretty much everywhere in a short period of time is underperforming, then everyone should be rich here before it's all said and done. Whoever gets the territory will have an easy time of it.
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Totally agree with your first point but the second point is debatable. Just because the hospital has it on formulary means nothing. Pharmacy is holding up sales in many devious ways and will continue to do so.
 






Anonymous said:
Totally agree with your first point but the second point is debatable. Just because the hospital has it on formulary means nothing. Pharmacy is holding up sales in many devious ways and will continue to do so.
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just sayin, that it all begins there, and if someone can do it in SF in a short period or time, they know what they're doing. A good manager would see that, look at the big picture, and manage accordingly. Yes, pharmacy is boning us, but if you have someone with relationships that can overcome one of the biggest hurdles, i.e., formulary acceptance in a few months at all major hospitals, chances are they can overcome pharmacy as well.

I just read "Management For Dummies"
 






Anonymous said:
just sayin, that it all begins there, and if someone can do it in SF in a short period or time, they know what they're doing. A good manager would see that, look at the big picture, and manage accordingly. Yes, pharmacy is boning us, but if you have someone with relationships that can overcome one of the biggest hurdles, i.e., formulary acceptance in a few months at all major hospitals, chances are they can overcome pharmacy as well.

I just read "Management For Dummies"
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Look spittle closer, the title of your text was "Management for Dumbass"
 












Anonymous said:
yes, he is awful
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I couldn't agree with you more! EI is the most self serving, arrogant manager on the planet! Not only that, but he has no clue about how to sell this drug into the hospital enviroment properly. Yes, the drug sounds good at first so it's relatively easy to get it on formulary. BUT, to get the drug on formulay without also having standing orders in place (from your top surgeons) is like putting gas in your car for trip but having no clue where you're going. The key to selling this drug is volume (i.e. STANDING ORDERS), not extended therapy. With that approach pharmacy can't say much because each patient may only be on it for 1 -2 days max. Your success will come from the fact that almost every patient will get the drug. (Ya, ya, EXCEPT for patients in which it's contraindicated etc., etc)

Back to EI though, what a bonehead! DON'T TAKE THE JOB IF YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR HIM. Your life will go from happy to miserable faster that you can say, "Oh Sh#*t". Hope that helps.
 






Is EI worst than RM, surfing with his head in the sand? His best people are all a bunch of whinners, looking at JNJ, wishing they were still at Giliead. The good ones took off, so EI can't be so bad. Folks are not buying the story of "help me please" I took care of you in the 90's! RSL is back to his old tricks.
 






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