Vest Study! What is really going on??

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I have only been here about a year but my doctors are now asking why the Vest study got pushed back again and are questioning that it must be going bad for LV? How many times has this got pushed back? Why don't we get any communication on this before we are bombarded by doctors? Actually why have I never got an communication regarding this???
 






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I have only been here about a year but my doctors are now asking why the Vest study got pushed back again and are questioning that it must be going bad for LV? How many times has this got pushed back? Why don't we get any communication on this before we are bombarded by doctors? Actually why have I never got an communication regarding this???
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Ummmmm lets see, your asking why we get no communication about it? Here's why, because a clear communication to us about the failing study ( which it is indeed failing in many ways) would be then telling us to NOT lie, and they want us to continue to lie and fabricate data. The story of ZOLL lifevest, it's all a big lie. Truth would end the business as we know it.
 






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I have only been here about a year but my doctors are now asking why the Vest study got pushed back again and are questioning that it must be going bad for LV? How many times has this got pushed back? Why don't we get any communication on this before we are bombarded by doctors? Actually why have I never got an communication regarding this???
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I asked my manager and he dodged the question and just said "Go get more MO's" I don't think anyone in the company wants to or cares to help the TM's in the field.
 






























Summary of highlights for you to draw conclusions:
-Mortality (outcomes endpoints changed) so VEST becomes events trial (yep. a defib works!)
-GE pulls out of analytics, MDT pulls out as well.
-PI's have concerns of selection bias altering the results (cherry picking of patients) and over involvement by Zoll in enrollment process. The early mortality benefit "separation of the curves" is now more inline with the control group. Outcomes benefit reported to be 0.8.
-Quality of Life assessment as reported directly by JW at an investigator meeting in 2012 showed that patients actually did worse in vest than in control group as related to medical adherence/core measure and mental health/well-being. Routine calls for follow-up to Vest patients addressing QOL questions was dropped. I guess you can't report what isn't measured.
-Site attrition is beneficial to Zoll not the integrity (?) of the study results. They string along for various reasons so as not to actually have to report data. Think in comparison to your comp plan (hire, enroll, wash, reset, hire, enroll, wash, reset): sales=(hire, wash, fire, reset).
 






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Summary of highlights for you to draw conclusions:
-Mortality (outcomes endpoints changed) so VEST becomes events trial (yep. a defib works!)
-GE pulls out of analytics, MDT pulls out as well.
-PI's have concerns of selection bias altering the results (cherry picking of patients) and over involvement by Zoll in enrollment process. The early mortality benefit "separation of the curves" is now more inline with the control group. Outcomes benefit reported to be 0.8.
-Quality of Life assessment as reported directly by JW at an investigator meeting in 2012 showed that patients actually did worse in vest than in control group as related to medical adherence/core measure and mental health/well-being. Routine calls for follow-up to Vest patients addressing QOL questions was dropped. I guess you can't report what isn't measured.
-Site attrition is beneficial to Zoll not the integrity (?) of the study results. They string along for various reasons so as not to actually have to report data. Think in comparison to your comp plan (hire, enroll, wash, reset, hire, enroll, wash, reset): sales=(hire, wash, fire, reset).
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You don't know what your talking about. If it were so bad why have we grown so much? I never met a clinical that could "keep the lights on" selling. We will get that heart failure indication and it will be a game changer. My only concern will be if we can keep up with the requests. Great position to be in if you can sell! If not go back to wiping backsides in the hospital.
 






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You don't know what your talking about. If it were so bad why have we grown so much? I never met a clinical that could "keep the lights on" selling. We will get that heart failure indication and it will be a game changer. My only concern will be if we can keep up with the requests. Great position to be in if you can sell! If not go back to wiping backsides in the hospital.
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Thank you little girl. You're so cute!
 






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You don't know what your talking about. If it were so bad why have we grown so much? I never met a clinical that could "keep the lights on" selling. We will get that heart failure indication and it will be a game changer. My only concern will be if we can keep up with the requests. Great position to be in if you can sell! If not go back to wiping backsides in the hospital.
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Bahahahaha..says the new manager...Bahahahaha..!!
 






Anonymous said:
You don't know what your talking about. If it were so bad why have we grown so much? I never met a clinical that could "keep the lights on" selling. We will get that heart failure indication and it will be a game changer. My only concern will be if we can keep up with the requests. Great position to be in if you can sell! If not go back to wiping backsides in the hospital.
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What heart failure indication? I didnt realize Vest Study was to increase indications?
 


















Anonymous said:
You don't know what your talking about. If it were so bad why have we grown so much? I never met a clinical that could "keep the lights on" selling. We will get that heart failure indication and it will be a game changer. My only concern will be if we can keep up with the requests. Great position to be in if you can sell! If not go back to wiping backsides in the hospital.
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Let me explain why the company has grown so much you fool!! As far as hear failure, you already are getting these patients you fucking moron! The reason the company has grown is simple. Scare the shit out of everybody + reimbursement+ end user DOESNT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE DEVICE !!!!! If Drs or Hospitals had to buy or purchase this product, it would be on the shelf next to the paper towels. Dont even talk about growth!!!! Look at Holter monitors or event recorders! Do you know the history behind these devices?? Same bullshit....oh and yeah take a look at their reimbursement today. Medicare and the OTHER providers will only allow you to grow so much, before POW you guessed it, decreased reimbursements. Why do you think you keep hearing the term "standard of care" coming out of all the blow hards at Zoll. Problem is a thermometer is standard of care. An EKG is standard of care, and I wouldnt make money selling either!! As far as Heart failure....lets put this stupid fucking pipe dream to rest. What happened here was Stan was reading his first medical journal one day, and he saw an article on heart failure DRG's and 30 day readmissions. He saw what he considered to be a huge number of Hear Failure patients reported in the US. Because he and the rest of the cracker jack medical management team, have no idea how heart failure patients work their way around the medical system, he figured these patients were uncovered and at risk. Fact of the matter is heart failure patients ARE already being considered and covered with the life vest!!! A newly diagnosed HF patient in a Card office is going to have what team??? Thats right a cath!!!! Why you ask?? Well the Dr. may want to see if the cause is ischemic or not. Now wait a minute you students of Cardiology (whoevers left) you may say my Dr saw a huge cardiomyopathy and there is no need for a cath. Well the answer is wanna bet?? So what does this mean for a Zoll Rep?? It means get your ass in the Hospital, and Cath lab, and Cardiac Surgery, and you will find 99 percent of the HF patients. In other words, if you are currently doing this, you are getting nearly all of the HF patients!!! Dont believe me? Ask your Card or EP what he does next when he diagnosis a HF patient! So you keep waiting for your Hypertension oops I mean Heart Failure indication. When it comes and you dont see a HUGE increase in MO's blame the sales force!! That is unless you think Medicare and the other providers are going to give the vest a class 1 or 2 indication!! LOL Keep pipe dreaming and telling the Pharm reps you hire all the Bullshit thats coming. Oh and by the way turn off the lights on your way out when medicare cuts reimbursement.
 






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I have only been here about a year but my doctors are now asking why the Vest study got pushed back again and are questioning that it must be going bad for LV? How many times has this got pushed back? Why don't we get any communication on this before we are bombarded by doctors? Actually why have I never got an communication regarding this???
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You are a unicorn - rare for a rep to make it a year. The Vest study is even more mythical. Don't hold your breath.
 
























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Wow-26% (either suspended/Terminated). Guess they couldn't find that "low hanging fruit". Maybe they should enroll PCP's/Chiropractors/Homeopaths
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HAHA! Study start date 2008 with goal of 1900 patients. 7 years to get 1900 patients? Isn't there a huge market with tons of patients just clamoring for a wearable defibrillator? That's what my recruiter said.
 






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