Thoughts on Ortho Dermatologics

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anonymous said:
My apologies to those suffering from psoriasis. I am positive that psoriasis is more than a cosmetic condition to those that suffer from the disease. I don't believe in this company's leadership and their business model.
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This is a good walk back. Psoriasis is well more than a cosmetic condition, with the internal inflammation causing it affecting much more than the skin. That said, your initial supposition is true. While Duobbri might be a decent product, the fact that it’s over $800 is a signal that the current pharma pricing model is broken beyond repair. In what universe are two generics mixed together worth $800? Why, in the OD universe, of course! How any payer reimburses for that nonsense is baffling.
 






anonymous said:
This is a good walk back. Psoriasis is well more than a cosmetic condition, with the internal inflammation causing it affecting much more than the skin. That said, your initial supposition is true. While Duobbri might be a decent product, the fact that it’s over $800 is a signal that the current pharma pricing model is broken beyond repair. In what universe are two generics mixed together worth $800? Why, in the OD universe, of course! How any payer reimburses for that nonsense is baffling.
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I know Joe Papa and his leadership team reads what is written on here. I could hear it in his voice when asked questions about a particular product at the last investor meeting he presented at. The truth does seem to affect him.

Taking a look at the bigger picture, for real sustainability to occur, companies like Valeant Health Inc. (BHC) need to be destroyed, Amazon needs to be taught a lesson, and the economy needs to go into a recession. Don't worry about jobs. Everything will work out. It always does. As Nike would say, just do it!
 






anonymous said:
I know Joe Papa and his leadership team reads what is written on here. I could hear it in his voice when asked questions about a particular product at the last investor meeting he presented at. The truth does seem to affect him.

Taking a look at the bigger picture, for real sustainability to occur, companies like Valeant Health Inc. (BHC) need to be destroyed, Amazon needs to be taught a lesson, and the economy needs to go into a recession. Don't worry about jobs. Everything will work out. It always does. As Nike would say, just do it!
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YAWN!!
 






I recently applied for a job at Ortho-Dermatologics and just checked the website and saw that the Dermatology job I was looking at is gone! In fact all the dermatology openings are no longer listed. Did they have a hiring blitz and filled them?
 












anonymous said:
If I was to get a prescription for Halobetasol 0.05% cream 50gm × 2, I would pay roughly $120.00 at the pharmacy. If I was to get a prescription for Tazarotene 0.1% cream 30gm × 3, I would pay roughly $321.00 at the pharmacy. If I was to get a prescription for Duobrii 0.01% / 0.045% lotion 100gm, I would pay roughly $825.00.

$441.00 for 5 tubes of cream or $825 for 1 bottle of lotion?

Are either of these two choices going to provide me with the ultimate jerking off experiences? Probably not.

If I am a physician, I pick the cheapest therapy. If I am a patient, I expect the cheapest therapy. Psoriasis is pretty much a cosmetic condition. Are the small percentage differences between the two ingredients going to make much of a difference? Probably not.

Valeant Health Inc. (BHC), for the most part, is an expensive glorified generics company.

Why fire Billy? I'd fire the guy in charge of setting the prices for these products. Then I would evaluate the management and salesforce.
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So you google prices of some medications, I think there’s some more to be said about products in dermatology. The vehicle makes a big difference in a lot of cases.

As for Duobrii, it’s a product that combines two ingredients that have been around a long time and thought to be an A+ rating for the treatment of psoriasis. However in the past and separating the ingredients has the irritation of tazarotene and lack of penetration if you try layering the two. Now you have excellent efficacy and ease of use in an easy to apply lotion with QD dosing until clearance. You can’t do that with two generics, so yes a branded will sometimes cost most than generics, but also compare to price per gram.
 






anonymous said:
So you google prices of some medications, I think there’s some more to be said about products in dermatology. The vehicle makes a big difference in a lot of cases.

As for Duobrii, it’s a product that combines two ingredients that have been around a long time and thought to be an A+ rating for the treatment of psoriasis. However in the past and separating the ingredients has the irritation of tazarotene and lack of penetration if you try layering the two. Now you have excellent efficacy and ease of use in an easy to apply lotion with QD dosing until clearance. You can’t do that with two generics, so yes a branded will sometimes cost most than generics, but also compare to price per gram.
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What flavor is the kool-aid you drank? #OhYeah
 




































anonymous said:
Said the pathetic failure of a sales rep!
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Said the dumbest and worst leader this division has ever had to date.

"We (don't) understand that patients with certain skin conditions, particularly acne and fine lines and wrinkles, can face multiple barriers to getting the skin care treatments they need," said Bill Humphries, president, Ortho Dermatologics. "By providing an on-demand (scam) solution where patients can conveniently consult with a medical professional online, order our clinically proven medicines directly and receive prompt delivery, we believe we can deliver (a marketing rip off) the best possible experience and access for patients."
 












anonymous said:
Said the dumbest and worst leader this division has ever had to date.

"We (don't) understand that patients with certain skin conditions, particularly acne and fine lines and wrinkles, can face multiple barriers to getting the skin care treatments they need," said Bill Humphries, president, Ortho Dermatologics. "By providing an on-demand (scam) solution where patients can conveniently consult with a medical professional online, order our clinically proven medicines directly and receive prompt delivery, we believe we can deliver (a marketing rip off) the best possible experience and access for patients."
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Are the “doctors” on dermatology.com from the United States?

How do your dermatologist you call on feel about being circumvented by teledoc?
 












The problem is Ortho has recently launched several new products and we have another one coming up......But they are all NON-Blockbuster/new/exciting lotions, creams etc....
Which are very expensive and hard to get from the Pharmacy
 






anonymous said:
The problem is Ortho has recently launched several new products and we have another one coming up......But they are all NON-Blockbuster/new/exciting lotions, creams etc....
Which are very expensive and hard to get from the Pharmacy
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I wouldn't worry about that. Most offices are happy to take the time to write PA's and put forth extra effort so that we can get our products filled with brand name. <insert laughing out loud emoji>
 












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