Thought Leader Liaison

[anonymous]

TLLs are on label just like reps. There are very strict legal guidelines at Genentech and most other companies that TLLs stay on label. Also not sure what you are talking about with “buying”access, TLLs don’t pay physicians anything, most don’t even buy them meals.

LOL. Don't buy access? You kidding right? The TLL's in action that I've seen are a large CIA waiting to happen. I've yet to be in the presence of a TLL that is not a violation of compliance in someway. The FDA needs to crack down on the TLL role. It's a BS role.

 

[anonymous]

LOL. Don't buy access? You kidding right? The TLL's in action that I've seen are a large CIA waiting to happen. I've yet to be in the presence of a TLL that is not a violation of compliance in someway. The FDA needs to crack down on the TLL role. It's a BS role.

This is precisely why the TLL should not have anything to do with bringing the reps on a call. They Don’t Get It! Dipshit!

 

[anonymous]

LOL. Don't buy access? You kidding right? The TLL's in action that I've seen are a large CIA waiting to happen. I've yet to be in the presence of a TLL that is not a violation of compliance in someway. The FDA needs to crack down on the TLL role. It's a BS role.

Would love to know which field group you are in. I don’t know one TLL that has reps come with them. TLLs have basically no budget to spend, reps have more budget. If you have been with a TLL it’s probably just one, who may be a bad apple, like some reps. Painting a broad picture about a role based in on person is just terrible. Asking for the FDA to crackdown makes you sound like someone who has an axe to grind. Get over yourself and do your job.

 

[anonymous]

Is that base or with bonus?

I’ve seen the range vary at different companies. Anywhere from $170 to low 200s. Bonus is usually corporate so depending on the company and performance 30-60k. You also get a higher percentage of long term incentives than reps, options or grants and also based on performance.

 

[anonymous]

Would love to know which field group you are in. I don’t know one TLL that has reps come with them. TLLs have basically no budget to spend, reps have more budget. If you have been with a TLL it’s probably just one, who may be a bad apple, like some reps. Painting a broad picture about a role based in on person is just terrible. Asking for the FDA to crackdown makes you sound like someone who has an axe to grind. Get over yourself and do your job.

 

[anonymous]

Would love to know which field group you are in. I don’t know one TLL that has reps come with them. TLLs have basically no budget to spend, reps have more budget. If you have been with a TLL it’s probably just one, who may be a bad apple, like some reps. Painting a broad picture about a role based in on person is just terrible. Asking for the FDA to crackdown makes you sound like someone who has an axe to grind. Get over yourself and do your job.

 

[anonymous]

Internal position. The entire department is suspect. TLLs use "consulting agreements" to talk off label about on-going clinical trials and to buy access to KOLs. I've personally witnessed many compliance violations working to set up pipeline presentations, discussions of off label regimens, discuss clinical trial access, using Ad-Boards for access quid-pro-quo without valid need. TLL positions are a joke and are used solely to get around FDA compliance regulations for marketing/commerical promotional activities, Period..they are everything wrong with Pharma...

 

[anonymous]

Internal position. The entire department is suspect. TLLs use "consulting agreements" to talk off label about on-going clinical trials and to buy access to KOLs. I've personally witnessed many compliance violations working to set up pipeline presentations, discussions of off label regimens, discuss clinical trial access, using Ad-Boards for access quid-pro-quo without valid need. TLL positions are a joke and are used solely to get around FDA compliance regulations for marketing/commerical promotional activities, Period..they are everything wrong with Pharma...

Well this is a completely false post. First the department was disbanded over a year ago, so there is no TLL Department at Genentech. Current TLLs are part of the marketing teams. During my almost 10 years in the department I never I repeat never had access to pay a TL a consulting agreeement. Ad boards at Genentech are run by a completely different team, not TLLs. TLLs were allowed to only attend if their customer was the moderator and we had strict guidelines not to discuss anything. Usually TLLs are not present at all at Ad Boards. Marketing and medical ran/run ad boards at Genentech. Clinical trial access is something that TLLs have little to no knowledge of, that is the MSLs. I am really unsure what your problem is but this is just a bunch of lies, or a one time example of a bad apple, which happens in every company. The fact that you say you have witnesesed many violations is strange. During my time as a TLL I worked closely with compliance, legal, marketing and medical to make sure everything was done the compliantly.

 

[anonymous]

Internal position. The entire department is suspect. TLLs use "consulting agreements" to talk off label about on-going clinical trials and to buy access to KOLs. I've personally witnessed many compliance violations working to set up pipeline presentations, discussions of off label regimens, discuss clinical trial access, using Ad-Boards for access quid-pro-quo without valid need. TLL positions are a joke and are used solely to get around FDA compliance regulations for marketing/commerical promotional activities, Period..they are everything wrong with Pharma...

Well this is a completely false post. First the department was disbanded over a year ago, so there is no TLL Department at Genentech. Current TLLs are part of the marketing teams. During my almost 10 years in the department I never I repeat never had access to pay a TL a consulting agreeement. Ad boards at Genentech are run by a completely different team, not TLLs. TLLs were allowed to only attend if their customer was the moderator and we had strict guidelines not to discuss anything. Usually TLLs are not present at all at Ad Boards. Marketing and medical ran/run ad boards at Genentech. Clinical trial access is something that TLLs have little to no knowledge of, that is the MSLs. I am really unsure what your problem is but this is just a bunch of lies, or a one time example of a bad apple, which happens in every company. The fact that you say you have witnesesed many violations is strange. During my time as a TLL I worked closely with compliance, legal, marketing and medical to make sure everything was done the compliantly.

 

[anonymous]

Internal position. The entire department is suspect. TLLs use "consulting agreements" to talk off label about on-going clinical trials and to buy access to KOLs. I've personally witnessed many compliance violations working to set up pipeline presentations, discussions of off label regimens, discuss clinical trial access, using Ad-Boards for access quid-pro-quo without valid need. TLL positions are a joke and are used solely to get around FDA compliance regulations for marketing/commerical promotional activities, Period..they are everything wrong with Pharma...

Well this is a completely false post. First the department was disbanded over a year ago, so there is no TLL Department at Genentech. Current TLLs are part of the marketing teams. During my almost 10 years in the department I never I repeat never had access to pay a TL a consulting agreeement. Ad boards at Genentech are run by a completely different team, not TLLs. TLLs were allowed to only attend if their customer was the moderator and we had strict guidelines not to discuss anything. Usually TLLs are not present at all at Ad Boards. Marketing and medical ran/run ad boards at Genentech. Clinical trial access is something that TLLs have little to no knowledge of, that is the MSLs. I am really unsure what your problem is but this is just a bunch of lies, or a one time example of a bad apple, which happens in every company. The fact that you say you have witnesesed many violations is strange. During my time as a TLL I worked closely with compliance, legal, marketing and medical to make sure everything was done the compliantly.

 

[anonymous]

the FDA needs to crack down on Genentech. They claim to be ‘complient’(big pharma jargon), but their not. One of the shadiest companies with shady business practices.

 

[anonymous]

This is the same troll who occasionally shows up on GNE threads. Bitter with a huge chip on the shoulder. Please crawl back under your rock. No one is listening to your babble.

 

[anonymous]

Well this is a completely false post. First the department was disbanded over a year ago, so there is no TLL Department at Genentech. Current TLLs are part of the marketing teams. During my almost 10 years in the department I never I repeat never had access to pay a TL a consulting agreeement. Ad boards at Genentech are run by a completely different team, not TLLs. TLLs were allowed to only attend if their customer was the moderator and we had strict guidelines not to discuss anything. Usually TLLs are not present at all at Ad Boards. Marketing and medical ran/run ad boards at Genentech. Clinical trial access is something that TLLs have little to no knowledge of, that is the MSLs. I am really unsure what your problem is but this is just a bunch of lies, or a one time example of a bad apple, which happens in every company. The fact that you say you have witnesesed many violations is strange. During my time as a TLL I worked closely with compliance, legal, marketing and medical to make sure everything was done the compliantly.

So in other words, you add no additional value to the table. Same messaging as sales reps (ooops....clinical specialists). Call it what you want, we are all tripping over each other trying to justify our existence.

 

[anonymous]

So in other words, you add no additional value to the table. Same messaging as sales reps (ooops....clinical specialists). Call it what you want, we are all tripping over each other trying to justify our existence.

Actually during my time as a TLL I saw TLLs provide a lot of value. Seeing customers that would not meet with sales, working with marketing to identify messaging that was more appropriate for the reps to discuss, making thought leaders aware of key issues for when they are educating other physicians. Do I believe every product needs a TLL, no, just like every product doesn’t need sales reps anymore. When used appropriately it’s a great role. Guess what Genentech doesn’t have them now for all products and that is ok.

 

[anonymous]

the FDA needs to crack down on Genentech. They claim to be ‘complient’(big pharma jargon), but their not. One of the shadiest companies with shady business practices.

Compliant not complient
They’re not their

 

[anonymous]

Compliant not complient
They’re not their

So Gay

 

[anonymous]

Well this is a completely false post. First the department was disbanded over a year ago, so there is no TLL Department at Genentech. Current TLLs are part of the marketing teams. During my almost 10 years in the department I never I repeat never had access to pay a TL a consulting agreeement. Ad boards at Genentech are run by a completely different team, not TLLs. TLLs were allowed to only attend if their customer was the moderator and we had strict guidelines not to discuss anything. Usually TLLs are not present at all at Ad Boards. Marketing and medical ran/run ad boards at Genentech. Clinical trial access is something that TLLs have little to no knowledge of, that is the MSLs. I am really unsure what your problem is but this is just a bunch of lies, or a one time example of a bad apple, which happens in every company. The fact that you say you have witnesesed many violations is strange. During my time as a TLL I worked closely with compliance, legal, marketing and medical to make sure everything was done the compliantly.

To be clear I'm referring to the TLL field as a whole, not Genentech specifically. I've have great colleagues that are TLL's, this still doesn't mean that the role isn't Total BS, nor does it invalidate the fact that as Marketing/Commercial non-medical position the TLLs very existence is a CIA...Specifically collecting "market data" in disease states or w/ regimens that aren't an approved. The FDA needs to crack down on the TLL role, its main function in my experience is to buy access to top thought leaders to discuss off label uses in a semi-promotional setting.

 

[anonymous]

To be clear I'm referring to the TLL field as a whole, not Genentech specifically. I've have great colleagues that are TLL's, this still doesn't mean that the role isn't Total BS, nor does it invalidate the fact that as Marketing/Commercial non-medical position the TLLs very existence is a CIA...Specifically collecting "market data" in disease states or w/ regimens that aren't an approved. The FDA needs to crack down on the TLL role, its main function in my experience is to buy access to top thought leaders to discuss off label uses in a semi-promotional setting.

Well I’ve seen the complete opposite at multiple companies, We may just have to agree to disagree. I have never ever seen a TLL or be allowed while I was a TLL to pay for access, pay doctors (except a small meal) or talk off label. It seems we have seen both sides of the coin the good and bad. I’ve seen reps do the exact same thing.There are just good and bad people in this industry.

 

[anonymous]

Five years after OP, and NOBODY knows WTF TLLs do. They don’t even know. They just want to be MSLs but aren’t. Pretty solidly not respected. I hope OP didn’t take a TLL job.

 

[anonymous]

Actually during my time as a TLL I saw TLLs provide a lot of value. Seeing customers that would not meet with sales, working with marketing to identify messaging that was more appropriate for the reps to discuss, making thought leaders aware of key issues for when they are educating other physicians. Do I believe every product needs a TLL, no, just like every product doesn’t need sales reps anymore. When used appropriately it’s a great role. Guess what Genentech doesn’t have them now for all products and that is ok.

If you're working with marketing to identify messaging then you all suck - the next time marketing produces something useful to the field will be the first.